East Region Fan Poll

[JQV]

The release and pocket presence were two critiques of Elway when he was coming out, but everything else made up for them and coaching fixed the problems.

I think it will come down to situation for Tebow.

If Jacksonville takes him, he'll be Wuerrfel's partner in Desire Street Ministries inside of three years.  If he ends up someplace else, he's got a shot.

[PBR...]

The ****in kid can't throw the ball longer than 20 yards.

Really?  He already has TD passes of 68, 38, and 44 this season .

All screen passes.

Im joking of course, but we did talk about this 2 years ago when we were arguing who was a better college QB, Matt Ryan or Tim Tebow.  I saw a lot of Matt Ryan, and could see that his 15-30 out passes were some of the best passes I have ever seen at the college level (granted I haven't seen too much college football live.)  But my season tickets were in the upper endzone where you can really see what a great QB can do.

Tebow is going to need to throw those 15-25 yard out patterns if he is going to make it at the next level.  I haven't really noticed if he can make those throws or not. 

You go to those games Jose, how does he compare to Stafford or other great SEC qbs you have seen? (Jamarcus Russell excluded for obvious reasons)

I think Tebow's arm strength is underrated because of all the other praise that gets dumped on him.  Based on the games I have seen, he has as good or better arm strength than alomst every other SEC quarterback in recent memory accept for Stafford.  (Side note, at Florida-Georgia two years ago, Stafford threw three amazing deep balls off his back foot while being smoked by Brandon Spikes.  His TE dropped all three.  Crazy.)  Urb's offense makes it a little difficult to gague Tebow's arm strength but, you have to see them live to realize how wide they line up and how quick he gets the ball all the way to the far sideline.

I think he has three potential problems as a NFL QB:

1) His release.  He has great arm strength but it takes a long time for the damn thing to come out.  Kind of like Russell.  The deception of the offense holds the defensive players' reaction times an extra beat which erases the problems caused by Timmy's long delivery.  Obviously, that won't be the case in the NFL.

2) Though it uses some funky formations and some different motion, Urb's offense is remarkably simple by all accounts.  I am not sure Tebow has been required to make the kind of reads and decisions a NFL offense wil require him to make.  Look how Alex Smith struggled after thriving under Urb.

3) Tebow has bad pocket presence, in part because he loves to run so damn much.  Also, as that blindside hit makes clear, he often has no idea where the pressure is coming from and if you can somehow keep him in the pocket, you can sack him.  This is sort of related to #2.

I still think he will be the best pro quarterback ever to come out of Florida but, that really isn't much of an honor at this point.  I guess the current leader would have to either be John Reaves or Shane Matthews.  I suppose you could also throw Rex Grossman into the mix since he made it to a Super Bowl.

not sure on his arm strength most people's opinion pbr see's all question his arm strength. jose me thinks your right on about everything else. imho tebow will be a great college qb and at best a very avg. pro.....although thoughts on making him into a tight end? he has the bulk for it...good foot work and speed to get downfield...tough and likes contact all imho he would need to do is learn blocking techniques...just a thought

[JQV]

I see 0 chance that he agrees to change positions.  He was pretty when people brought that up last year.  Once he makes his mind up about something, he generally doesn't waver.  I think his competitive instinct sees those suggestions as a challenge.

EDIT: I should mention that my opinion of his arm strength is just based on my observations.  I love football but never played or coached it at a high enough level to have an educated opinion on his arm strength.  I just think he throws the ball with the same zip as the other guys in the league.

[lewdogg11]

I just don't see Tebow as a standard NFL QB.  I just don't see it.  If he has a coach willing to change the typical NFL offense a bit, maybe, but I don't think he is good enough for the NFL as the 'standard'. 

[JQV]

Why not?  Just because he is also a good runner?

If the Jags don't pick Tebow I think the team most likely to take him is your beloved Pats Lew.  Will you change your tune then?

[SaintsFAN]

OLine moved the protection to the right.  The end was supposed to be left unblocked and picked up by someone from the strong side.  Tebow was supposed to slide with the protection then decide whether to throw to a receiver in the flat on the strong side or pull it down and run back into the blitz.  They run that play all the time but, apparently, the TE looked like he was going to slip free over the middle so he froze for a second and got clobbered.

Yep.. he shoulda seen that defender coming, because it was frontside for Tebow.  The ball should have been gone already --- hot read.  


SF will defer to the more expert opinions on Tebow... it will be fun to see how Tebow does.  

I'm leaning toward what LD is saying though... lots of adjustment to be made for him to enjoy success at QB in the NFL.  Heard Jax owner Weaver may take him regardless, just to pump up ticket sales.  Maybe have a "what would Jesus do" concert or two after the games...

What do I know though?  Hope the kid proves everyone wrong..

[lewdogg11]

Why not?  Just because he is also a good runner?

If the Jags don't pick Tebow I think the team most likely to take him is your beloved Pats Lew.  Will you change your tune then?

No.  Has nothing to do with his running ability.  it's his standard NFL drop back passing ability that I just don't see.  I'm not saying anything about his talent.  i think he is an exceptional college quarterback.  And I'm not saying he won't be successful in the NFL.  I just don't see him fitting a run of the mill system as a QB. 

[Doid23]

I never like how the "great college QB question" get's muddled up with the "will he be a good pro?" question. Apples and oranges to me. Obviously a different league, and a whole different game.

I think Tebow is one of the great college QB's ever (Alan Barra from the WSJ had a great article on this last year http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122913143033303459.html . For the record, I HATE Florida. Getting kind of sick of the St. Tim crap as well. But it is what it is.

Meanwhile, I'm not sure what he does translates well to the NFL, but that's got nothing to do with his performance in college.

[theoriginalupstate]

Tebow is too good of an athlete not to play in the NFL...

At what position is another story, I think he'll be a good TE/HB almost like Chris Cooley...

Get him off the line and put him on the hip of the Tackle or another TE, put him in motion and get him matched up vs LBers and Safeties in the passing game...

He's a big, tough kid so I think he'll be able to play on or near the line of scrimmage...

[dlippiel]

The ****in kid can't throw the ball longer than 20 yards.

Really?  He already has TD passes of 68, 38, and 44 this season .

Anyone can throw the ball 5 ****in yards to a stud receiver who runs a nasty 40 and stretch out the throw to 68, 38, and 44 yards. Maybe we should give him the yardage credit for when he hands the ball off as well? Jose dude just having some fun here with Tebowmania.

[dlippiel]

The ****in kid can't throw the ball longer than 20 yards.

Really?  He already has TD passes of 68, 38, and 44 this season .

All screen passes.

Im joking of course, but we did talk about this 2 years ago when we were arguing who was a better college QB, Matt Ryan or Tim Tebow.  I saw a lot of Matt Ryan, and could see that his 15-30 out passes were some of the best passes I have ever seen at the college level (granted I haven't seen too much college football live.)  But my season tickets were in the upper endzone where you can really see what a great QB can do.

Tebow is going to need to throw those 15-25 yard out patterns if he is going to make it at the next level.  I haven't really noticed if he can make those throws or not.  

You go to those games Jose, how does he compare to Stafford or other great SEC qbs you have seen? (Jamarcus Russell excluded for obvious reasons)

I think Tebow's arm strength is underrated because of all the other praise that gets dumped on him.  Based on the games I have seen, he has as good or better arm strength than alomst every other SEC quarterback in recent memory accept for Stafford.  (Side note, at Florida-Georgia two years ago, Stafford threw three amazing deep balls off his back foot while being smoked by Brandon Spikes.  His TE dropped all three.  Crazy.)  Urb's offense makes it a little difficult to gague Tebow's arm strength but, you have to see them live to realize how wide they line up and how quick he gets the ball all the way to the far sideline.

I think he has three potential problems as a NFL QB:

1) His release.  He has great arm strength but it takes a long time for the damn thing to come out.  Kind of like Russell.  The deception of the offense holds the defensive players' reaction times an extra beat which erases the problems caused by Timmy's long delivery.  Obviously, that won't be the case in the NFL.

2) Though it uses some funky formations and some different motion, Urb's offense is remarkably simple by all accounts.  I am not sure Tebow has been required to make the kind of reads and decisions a NFL offense wil require him to make.  Look how Alex Smith struggled after thriving under Urb.

3) Tebow has bad pocket presence, in part because he loves to run so damn much.  Also, as that blindside hit makes clear, he often has no idea where the pressure is coming from and if you can somehow keep him in the pocket, you can sack him.  This is sort of related to #2.

I still think he will be the best pro quarterback ever to come out of Florida but, that really isn't much of an honor at this point.  I guess the current leader would have to either be John Reaves or Shane Matthews.  I suppose you could also throw Rex Grossman into the mix since he made it to a Super Bowl.

Listening to ESPN radio yesterday and the anaylst speaking mentioned that Tebows back-up has a much better arm and is a much better passer than Tebow. His back-upTim Tebowmania is just not a great passer by any means. In all honesty as annoyed as dlip is with Tebowmania and his ****ing missionary work plastered all over ESPN dlip loves to watch him play and thinks he is an amazing amazing college QB. Plus on top of that he seems like quite the classy young man. More college players should carry themselves the way he carries himself. If it wasn't for ESPN performing oral sex on Tebow on a daily basis dlip probably wouldn't even be sick of him. dlip hopes this kid makes it at the next level.

[Boxer7806]

I'm thinking Montclair is going to beat Cortland this weekend and just to make a total mess of our polls once again.

[SaintsFAN]

I'm thinking Montclair is going to beat Cortland this weekend and just to make a total mess of our polls once again.

does Tebow play for Montclair or Cortland??  SF can't remember...

[PBR...]

I'm thinking Montclair is going to beat Cortland this weekend and just to make a total mess of our polls once again.

does Tebow play for Montclair or Cortland??  SF can't remember...

timmy plays where timmy wants to play...when timmy gets done building another galaxy he is planning to take care of chuck norris once and for all...

NOTE: espn just broken in w/ liver coverage that timmy just finished up his daily morning bizness in stall #2 in case the world was wandering...

[rams1102]

I'm thinking Montclair is going to beat Cortland this weekend and just to make a total mess of our polls once again.

I sure hope it happens.