East Region Fan Poll

[theoriginalupstate]

Regional rankings came out... ???Why even give any East region team a #1 ranking if they are going to ****ing bring someone East for the ****ing tourney. It is really ****ing stupid and ridiculous that even if an East region team runs the table and goes undefeated they will not get a #1 seed in a tourney that should be set by ****ing regions. This is really starting to piss dlip off if you guys couldn't tell. Well come on over MUC; Alfred, Albright, Del Val, Rowan, and everyone else are playing for # 2 in the East because the #1 seed in the East will not be from the east. WHAT THE ****!!!!!!!

Nobody said it was the East Region bracket any longer, dlippiel. If the top four teams don't include an East team, then so be it. Get better.

Understood Guru and you are right on with the fact that the East Region teams need to get better and make some noise. The only respect a team should really get is the respect they earn and we know it has been awhile since an Eastern team has really earned that respect in comparison to the top 4-6 teams in the nation. Yet dlip still believes the Brackets should be regional and feels it is annoying that there is always going to be a team "brought into" the East bracket for the tourney. Yet I guess you are right if you are saying there is no East bracket that is fully representative of the East as a whole. If not though then why is that brakcet made up of all eastern teams with the exception of one? Either mix it up or keep the brackets by region! Yet again, dlip will concurr, if an East region team and/or teams really started making noise on a consistent basis in the tourney and OOR games during the season then this would not even be an issue.

You do know that there are travel restrictions right?

[dlippiel]

Regional rankings came out... ???Why even give any East region team a #1 ranking if they are going to ****ing bring someone East for the ****ing tourney. It is really ****ing stupid and ridiculous that even if an East region team runs the table and goes undefeated they will not get a #1 seed in a tourney that should be set by ****ing regions. This is really starting to piss dlip off if you guys couldn't tell. Well come on over MUC; Alfred, Albright, Del Val, Rowan, and everyone else are playing for # 2 in the East because the #1 seed in the East will not be from the east. WHAT THE ****!!!!!!!

Nobody said it was the East Region bracket any longer, dlippiel. If the top four teams don't include an East team, then so be it. Get better.

Understood Guru and you are right on with the fact that the East Region teams need to get better and make some noise. The only respect a team should really get is the respect they earn and we know it has been awhile since an Eastern team has really earned that respect in comparison to the top 4-6 teams in the nation. Yet dlip still believes the Brackets should be regional and feels it is annoying that there is always going to be a team "brought into" the East bracket for the tourney. Yet I guess you are right if you are saying there is no East bracket that is fully representative of the East as a whole. If not though then why is that brakcet made up of all eastern teams with the exception of one? Either mix it up or keep the brackets by region! Yet again, dlip will concurr, if an East region team and/or teams really started making noise on a consistent basis in the tourney and OOR games during the season then this would not even be an issue.

You do know that there are travel restrictions right?

Yes, but it's a fair question to ask? Especially with travel restricitons, the economy, etc this provides even more rationale to keep brackets regional? Let N,W,E,S battle it out and meet. Listen just dlip's opinion here but the more he argues and gets annoyed he starts to see the fact that; if an Eastern team did defeat an MUC who was imported dlip would be estactic and probably forget everything he has been saying. Who knows maybe it is even a bit of sour grapes as a result of the East inability to compete at the elite level, dlip can admit that. Still he would like to see N,W,E,S battle it out and the regional winners, who truly represent that region, meet in the semi's. dlip understands that many disagree and thats coo!

[theoriginalupstate]

Regional rankings came out... ???Why even give any East region team a #1 ranking if they are going to ****ing bring someone East for the ****ing tourney. It is really ****ing stupid and ridiculous that even if an East region team runs the table and goes undefeated they will not get a #1 seed in a tourney that should be set by ****ing regions. This is really starting to piss dlip off if you guys couldn't tell. Well come on over MUC; Alfred, Albright, Del Val, Rowan, and everyone else are playing for # 2 in the East because the #1 seed in the East will not be from the east. WHAT THE ****!!!!!!!

Nobody said it was the East Region bracket any longer, dlippiel. If the top four teams don't include an East team, then so be it. Get better.

Understood Guru and you are right on with the fact that the East Region teams need to get better and make some noise. The only respect a team should really get is the respect they earn and we know it has been awhile since an Eastern team has really earned that respect in comparison to the top 4-6 teams in the nation. Yet dlip still believes the Brackets should be regional and feels it is annoying that there is always going to be a team "brought into" the East bracket for the tourney. Yet I guess you are right if you are saying there is no East bracket that is fully representative of the East as a whole. If not though then why is that brakcet made up of all eastern teams with the exception of one? Either mix it up or keep the brackets by region! Yet again, dlip will concurr, if an East region team and/or teams really started making noise on a consistent basis in the tourney and OOR games during the season then this would not even be an issue.

You do know that there are travel restrictions right?

Yes, but it's a fair question to ask? Especially with travel restricitons, the economy, etc this provides even more rationale to keep brackets regional? Let N,W,E,S battle it out and meet. Listen just dlip's opinion here but the more he argues and gets annoyed he starts to see the fact that; if an Eastern team did defeat an MUC who was imported dlip would be estactic and probably forget everything he has been saying. Who knows maybe it is even a bit of sour grapes as a result of the East inability to compete at the elite level, dlip can admit that. Still he would like to see N,W,E,S battle it out and the regional winners, who truly represent that region, meet in the semi's. dlip understands that many disagree and thats coo!

It's not that I disagree, I too would like to see it regional, but the powers that be do not...

[Boxer7806]

Heck, I would like to see it regionally as well. But I have another question for the board. I saw some posters state they have Curry in thier top ten, and past weeks posters have Plymouth State in the top ten. Do posters really believe an NEFC team should be in the top ten? I know Curry is ranked 10th in the regional rankings but they lost to Widener who is most likely the 20th best team in the region and 4th or 5th best team in the MAC.

[JQV]

Do posters really believe an NEFC team should be in the top ten?

Curry has two playoff wins in seasons when the E8 wasn't as far "down" as it is this year.  Of all years, this is the year they probably deserve some credit...

[Boxer7806]

Very good point. But I think your not giving Springfield and Alfred enough credit. This Curry team is not nearly as good as the last two versions. Come playoff time we will find out. I think the best team in the NEFC is actually Maine Maritime who are on a collision course with Curry for the NEFC championship and before Plymouth was the last team to beat Curry from the NEFC.

[dlippiel]

Very good point. But I think your not giving Springfield and Alfred enough credit. This Curry team is not nearly as good as the last two versions. Come playoff time we will find out. I think the best team in the NEFC is actually Maine Maritime who are on a collision course with Curry for the NEFC championship and before Plymouth was the last team to beat Curry from the NEFC.

dlip concurs regarding the lack of love that the Pride has recieved this year. They must earn it though and during the next two weeks they will have to. We will no as of Saturday night if they are going to challenge for a pool C.

[SJFF82]

Regional rankings came out... ???Why even give any East region team a #1 ranking if they are going to ****ing bring someone East for the ****ing tourney. It is really ****ing stupid and ridiculous that even if an East region team runs the table and goes undefeated they will not get a #1 seed in a tourney that should be set by ****ing regions. This is really starting to piss dlip off if you guys couldn't tell. Well come on over MUC; Alfred, Albright, Del Val, Rowan, and everyone else are playing for # 2 in the East because the #1 seed in the East will not be from the east. WHAT THE ****!!!!!!!

Nobody said it was the East Region bracket any longer, dlippiel. If the top four teams don't include an East team, then so be it. Get better.

Understood Guru and you are right on with the fact that the East Region teams need to get better and make some noise. The only respect a team should really get is the respect they earn and we know it has been awhile since an Eastern team has really earned that respect in comparison to the top 4-6 teams in the nation. Yet dlip still believes the Brackets should be regional and feels it is annoying that there is always going to be a team "brought into" the East bracket for the tourney. Yet I guess you are right if you are saying there is no East bracket that is fully representative of the East as a whole. If not though then why is that brakcet made up of all eastern teams with the exception of one? Either mix it up or keep the brackets by region! Yet again, dlip will concurr, if an East region team and/or teams really started making noise on a consistent basis in the tourney and OOR games during the season then this would not even be an issue.

No, Dlip, dont waver, you are correct in that there is an inconsistency.  I went through this a few months ago on the boards.  Either make the tourney regional, or seed all 32 independently and have at it.  Make the East teams 25-32 if need be.  The rankings are regional and do not give the East teams the benefit of playing non-regional teams in the Reg. Season, so why make them play the out of region teams come play-off time? And I know the 'answer' is travel restrictions, at least that is what was brought up last time...however, I have said this...the NCAA has plenty of $ to overcome this if they want their logo on the field and half the gate money come play-off time.

Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with the present system....just pointing out the glaring inconsistencies with reg season and post-season. 

[PBR...]

Do posters really believe an NEFC team should be in the top ten?

Curry has two playoff wins in seasons when the E8 wasn't as far "down" as it is this year.  Of all years, this is the year they probably deserve some credit...

who is this curry u speak of? pbr only knows of dem spice boyz....

[maxpower]

Regional rankings came out... ???Why even give any East region team a #1 ranking if they are going to ****ing bring someone East for the ****ing tourney. It is really ****ing stupid and ridiculous that even if an East region team runs the table and goes undefeated they will not get a #1 seed in a tourney that should be set by ****ing regions. This is really starting to piss dlip off if you guys couldn't tell. Well come on over MUC; Alfred, Albright, Del Val, Rowan, and everyone else are playing for # 2 in the East because the #1 seed in the East will not be from the east. WHAT THE ****!!!!!!!

Nobody said it was the East Region bracket any longer, dlippiel. If the top four teams don't include an East team, then so be it. Get better.

Understood Guru and you are right on with the fact that the East Region teams need to get better and make some noise. The only respect a team should really get is the respect they earn and we know it has been awhile since an Eastern team has really earned that respect in comparison to the top 4-6 teams in the nation. Yet dlip still believes the Brackets should be regional and feels it is annoying that there is always going to be a team "brought into" the East bracket for the tourney. Yet I guess you are right if you are saying there is no East bracket that is fully representative of the East as a whole. If not though then why is that brakcet made up of all eastern teams with the exception of one? Either mix it up or keep the brackets by region! Yet again, dlip will concurr, if an East region team and/or teams really started making noise on a consistent basis in the tourney and OOR games during the season then this would not even be an issue.

You do know that there are travel restrictions right?

Yes, but it's a fair question to ask? Especially with travel restricitons, the economy, etc this provides even more rationale to keep brackets regional? Let N,W,E,S battle it out and meet. Listen just dlip's opinion here but the more he argues and gets annoyed he starts to see the fact that; if an Eastern team did defeat an MUC who was imported dlip would be estactic and probably forget everything he has been saying. Who knows maybe it is even a bit of sour grapes as a result of the East inability to compete at the elite level, dlip can admit that. Still he would like to see N,W,E,S battle it out and the regional winners, who truly represent that region, meet in the semi's. dlip understands that many disagree and thats coo!

I don't really see the difference. We're talking about losing to MUC one round later if it's a purely regional bracket. After a couple years of that, our expectations will have shifted from "the honor of losing to MUC" to "the honor of winning the East Region and then losing to MUC" and we'll find something else to bitch about.

[SJFF82]

"travel restictions" only explains why the play-offs are not seeded on a national basis.  Travel restrictions do not prevent a purely regional play-off system.  It is the exact opposite, it forces the Regional system.  The powers that be wanting to seed the perceived Top 4 as #1's is the ONLY reason for the present system.  

It just happens to work out for the powers that be, that MUC happens to be within the mileage requirements of the East.  

What would happen if MUC was 1 mile outside the limits, and no other Top 4 was within the radius.

Hmmmm.....gerrymandering.

[Ralph Turner]

"travel restictions" only explains why the play-offs are not seeded on a national basis.  Travel restrictions do not prevent a purely regional play-off system.  It is the exact opposite, it forces the Regional system.  The powers to be wanting to seed the perceived Top 4 as #1's is the ONLY reason for the present system. 

It just happens to work out for the powers that be, that MUC happens to be within the mileage requirements of the East. 

What would happen if MUC was 1 mile outside the limits, and no other Top 4 was within the radius.

Hmmmm.....gerrymandering.

We all know about "gerrymandering".  After all, it was first done in Massachusetts.   

[SJFF82]

Regional rankings came out... ???Why even give any East region team a #1 ranking if they are going to ****ing bring someone East for the ****ing tourney. It is really ****ing stupid and ridiculous that even if an East region team runs the table and goes undefeated they will not get a #1 seed in a tourney that should be set by ****ing regions. This is really starting to piss dlip off if you guys couldn't tell. Well come on over MUC; Alfred, Albright, Del Val, Rowan, and everyone else are playing for # 2 in the East because the #1 seed in the East will not be from the east. WHAT THE ****!!!!!!!

Nobody said it was the East Region bracket any longer, dlippiel. If the top four teams don't include an East team, then so be it. Get better.

Understood Guru and you are right on with the fact that the East Region teams need to get better and make some noise. The only respect a team should really get is the respect they earn and we know it has been awhile since an Eastern team has really earned that respect in comparison to the top 4-6 teams in the nation. Yet dlip still believes the Brackets should be regional and feels it is annoying that there is always going to be a team "brought into" the East bracket for the tourney. Yet I guess you are right if you are saying there is no East bracket that is fully representative of the East as a whole. If not though then why is that brakcet made up of all eastern teams with the exception of one? Either mix it up or keep the brackets by region! Yet again, dlip will concurr, if an East region team and/or teams really started making noise on a consistent basis in the tourney and OOR games during the season then this would not even be an issue.

You do know that there are travel restrictions right?

Yes, but it's a fair question to ask? Especially with travel restricitons, the economy, etc this provides even more rationale to keep brackets regional? Let N,W,E,S battle it out and meet. Listen just dlip's opinion here but the more he argues and gets annoyed he starts to see the fact that; if an Eastern team did defeat an MUC who was imported dlip would be estactic and probably forget everything he has been saying. Who knows maybe it is even a bit of sour grapes as a result of the East inability to compete at the elite level, dlip can admit that. Still he would like to see N,W,E,S battle it out and the regional winners, who truly represent that region, meet in the semi's. dlip understands that many disagree and thats coo!

I don't really see the difference. We're talking about losing to MUC one round later if it's a purely regional bracket. After a couple years of that, our expectations will have shifted from "the honor of losing to MUC" to "the honor of winning the East Region and then losing to MUC" and we'll find something else to bitch about.

Getting to the 'Final four'  is a big deal and a big difference.  For the sake of argument on here it doesnt seem to be, but for players playing the game, its one more win in the National Play-offs, its one step closer to a trip to Salem and it is a chance to be part of a  National semi-final.  Even ABC picks up the final four games on its Ticker...


...and it 'bought' me one more road trip with the boys in 2006...wife notwithstanding and not too pleased

[SJFF82]

"travel restictions" only explains why the play-offs are not seeded on a national basis.  Travel restrictions do not prevent a purely regional play-off system.  It is the exact opposite, it forces the Regional system.  The powers to be wanting to seed the perceived Top 4 as #1's is the ONLY reason for the present system. 

It just happens to work out for the powers that be, that MUC happens to be within the mileage requirements of the East. 

What would happen if MUC was 1 mile outside the limits, and no other Top 4 was within the radius.

Hmmmm.....gerrymandering.

We all know about "gerrymandering".  After all, it was first done in Massachusetts.   

ha...everything politically crooked originates in a 'Blue' state....

[rams1102]

Cortland, I think played Mount Union very well last year compared to Mounts other opponents. 

Compared to who?  MUC beat Hobart, Cortland and Wheaton by pretty similiar (north of 20pt) margins.  And Cortland was the only team to have 0 rushing yards against the Raiders (Hobart had 104 and Wheaton 90).

Cortland lost by 27, and Hobart lost by 35. I was refering to East Teams.

Gotcha - I still argue despite the 8 pt scoring differential Hobart hung in there equally as well as the Dragons, but the fact is you guys did score 14 pts and we only scored 7.

I'm a disappointed Montclair fan who is waiting for the last 2 shoes to drop. I was just pushing for the East in general.