East Region Fan Poll

[Jonny Utah]

Regional rankings came out... ???Why even give any East region team a #1 ranking if they are going to ****ing bring someone East for the ****ing tourney. It is really ****ing stupid and ridiculous that even if an East region team runs the table and goes undefeated they will not get a #1 seed in a tourney that should be set by ****ing regions. This is really starting to piss dlip off if you guys couldn't tell. Well come on over MUC; Alfred, Albright, Del Val, Rowan, and everyone else are playing for # 2 in the East because the #1 seed in the East will not be from the east. WHAT THE ****!!!!!!!

Nobody said it was the East Region bracket any longer, dlippiel. If the top four teams don't include an East team, then so be it. Get better.

Understood Guru and you are right on with the fact that the East Region teams need to get better and make some noise. The only respect a team should really get is the respect they earn and we know it has been awhile since an Eastern team has really earned that respect in comparison to the top 4-6 teams in the nation. Yet dlip still believes the Brackets should be regional and feels it is annoying that there is always going to be a team "brought into" the East bracket for the tourney. Yet I guess you are right if you are saying there is no East bracket that is fully representative of the East as a whole. If not though then why is that brakcet made up of all eastern teams with the exception of one? Either mix it up or keep the brackets by region! Yet again, dlip will concurr, if an East region team and/or teams really started making noise on a consistent basis in the tourney and OOR games during the season then this would not even be an issue.

No, Dlip, dont waver, you are correct in that there is an inconsistency.  I went through this a few months ago on the boards.  Either make the tourney regional, or seed all 32 independently and have at it.  Make the East teams 25-32 if need be.  The rankings are regional and do not give the East teams the benefit of playing non-regional teams in the Reg. Season, so why make them play the out of region teams come play-off time? And I know the 'answer' is travel restrictions, at least that is what was brought up last time...however, I have said this...the NCAA has plenty of $ to overcome this if they want their logo on the field and half the gate money come play-off time.

Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with the present system....just pointing out the glaring inconsistencies with reg season and post-season. 

yea but what happens in 100 years when Mt. Union isn't good anymore and a 9-1 SJF team doesnt make a playoff spot because the "north" region has an independent or conference champ that SJF beat 77-0 in week 7?

What goes around comes around.  Someday the east might have the top 10 teams in the country and the other regions will be whining because Mt. Ida keeps getting the #1 seed in the South! Until a team gets shafted from a playoff spot (which is very rare in d3 football playoff selections), let someone beat MUC and then things will change.

Lets face it, midwest football is currently better than east football and they deserve more playoff spots.  "regions" "areas" whatever, thats simply semantics.  Hell, they even use vague language in the NCAA championship literature when describing the whole process.

[lewdogg11]

Regional rankings came out... ???Why even give any East region team a #1 ranking if they are going to ****ing bring someone East for the ****ing tourney. It is really ****ing stupid and ridiculous that even if an East region team runs the table and goes undefeated they will not get a #1 seed in a tourney that should be set by ****ing regions. This is really starting to piss dlip off if you guys couldn't tell. Well come on over MUC; Alfred, Albright, Del Val, Rowan, and everyone else are playing for # 2 in the East because the #1 seed in the East will not be from the east. WHAT THE ****!!!!!!!

Nobody said it was the East Region bracket any longer, dlippiel. If the top four teams don't include an East team, then so be it. Get better.

Understood Guru and you are right on with the fact that the East Region teams need to get better and make some noise. The only respect a team should really get is the respect they earn and we know it has been awhile since an Eastern team has really earned that respect in comparison to the top 4-6 teams in the nation. Yet dlip still believes the Brackets should be regional and feels it is annoying that there is always going to be a team "brought into" the East bracket for the tourney. Yet I guess you are right if you are saying there is no East bracket that is fully representative of the East as a whole. If not though then why is that brakcet made up of all eastern teams with the exception of one? Either mix it up or keep the brackets by region! Yet again, dlip will concurr, if an East region team and/or teams really started making noise on a consistent basis in the tourney and OOR games during the season then this would not even be an issue.

No, Dlip, dont waver, you are correct in that there is an inconsistency.  I went through this a few months ago on the boards.  Either make the tourney regional, or seed all 32 independently and have at it.  Make the East teams 25-32 if need be.  The rankings are regional and do not give the East teams the benefit of playing non-regional teams in the Reg. Season, so why make them play the out of region teams come play-off time? And I know the 'answer' is travel restrictions, at least that is what was brought up last time...however, I have said this...the NCAA has plenty of $ to overcome this if they want their logo on the field and half the gate money come play-off time.

Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with the present system....just pointing out the glaring inconsistencies with reg season and post-season.  

yea but what happens in 100 years when Mt. Union isn't good anymore and a 9-1 SJF team doesnt make a playoff spot because the "north" region has an independent or conference champ that SJF beat 77-0 in week 7?

What goes around comes around.  Someday the east might have the top 10 teams in the country and the other regions will be whining because Mt. Ida keeps getting the #1 seed in the South! Until a team gets shafted from a playoff spot (which is very rare in d3 football playoff selections), let someone beat MUC and then things will change.

Lets face it, midwest football is currently better than east football and they deserve more playoff spots.  "regions" "areas" whatever, thats simply semantics.  Hell, they even use vague language in the NCAA championship literature when describing the whole process.

Dude, in 100 years it will be RPI vs. MIT every year since robots will be playing each other.

[Boxer7806]

haha that was good

[union89]

Very good point. But I think your not giving Springfield and Alfred enough credit. This Curry team is not nearly as good as the last two versions. Come playoff time we will find out. I think the best team in the NEFC is actually Maine Maritime who are on a collision course with Curry for the NEFC championship and before Plymouth was the last team to beat Curry from the NEFC.

dlip concurs regarding the lack of love that the Pride has recieved this year. They must earn it though and during the next two weeks they will have to. We will no as of Saturday night if they are going to challenge for a pool C.

That is 1 thing Dlip has....Lots of Pride love.....

[pg04]

Week 8 Fan Poll -- Only 9 pollsters, the 10th is MIA and did not answer my message. 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Alfred ( 6 )	6-0	86	1	vs. Rochester
2   Albright ( 1 )	7-0	75	2	vs. FDU-Florham
Delaware Valley ( 2 )	6-1	75	3	at King's
4   Rowan	6-1	63	4	at #5 Kean
5   Kean	6-1	60	5	vs. #4 Rowan
6   Lebanon Valley	6-1	34	8	vs King's
Springfield	6-1	34	9	vs. Ithaca
8   Montclair State	6-1	26	NR	vs. Western Connecticut
9   Union	5-2	16	7	vs. RPI
10 St. John Fisher	4-3	15	6	OPEN DATE

            
Dropped Out:                        
None   

Also Receiving votes:              
Susquehanna 7
Curry 3
Ithaca 1    
                    
            
Voting Distribution:            

Alfred (1,1,1,1,1,3,1,2,2,NR,)
Albright (2,5,2,2,3,4,2,1,3,NR,)
Delaware Valley (4,2,3,3,4,1,3,3,1,NR,)
Rowan (3,3,5,5,2,2,5,6,5,NR,)
Kean (5,4,4,4,5,5,4,4,4,NR,)
Lebanon Valley (7,6,NR,7,7,7,6,7,7,NR,)
Springfield (6,8,6,6,6,6,8,NR,8,NR,)
Montclair State (10,9,NR,9,8,8,7,5,6,NR,)
Union (8,NR,8,8,9,NR,10,9,9,NR,)
St. John Fisher (9,10,7,10,10,9,NR,8,10,NR,)
Susquehanna (NR,7,9,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,NR,)
Curry (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,9,10,NR,NR,)
Ithaca (NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)

Key Matchups:

#4 Rowan @ #5 Kean
#7 Springfield vs. Ithaca
#9 Union vs. RPI
         

[Saxon73]

Regional rankings came out... ???Why even give any East region team a #1 ranking if they are going to ****ing bring someone East for the ****ing tourney. It is really ****ing stupid and ridiculous that even if an East region team runs the table and goes undefeated they will not get a #1 seed in a tourney that should be set by ****ing regions. This is really starting to piss dlip off if you guys couldn't tell. Well come on over MUC; Alfred, Albright, Del Val, Rowan, and everyone else are playing for # 2 in the East because the #1 seed in the East will not be from the east. WHAT THE ****!!!!!!!

Nobody said it was the East Region bracket any longer, dlippiel. If the top four teams don't include an East team, then so be it. Get better.

Understood Guru and you are right on with the fact that the East Region teams need to get better and make some noise. The only respect a team should really get is the respect they earn and we know it has been awhile since an Eastern team has really earned that respect in comparison to the top 4-6 teams in the nation. Yet dlip still believes the Brackets should be regional and feels it is annoying that there is always going to be a team "brought into" the East bracket for the tourney. Yet I guess you are right if you are saying there is no East bracket that is fully representative of the East as a whole. If not though then why is that brakcet made up of all eastern teams with the exception of one? Either mix it up or keep the brackets by region! Yet again, dlip will concurr, if an East region team and/or teams really started making noise on a consistent basis in the tourney and OOR games during the season then this would not even be an issue.

No, Dlip, dont waver, you are correct in that there is an inconsistency.  I went through this a few months ago on the boards.  Either make the tourney regional, or seed all 32 independently and have at it.  Make the East teams 25-32 if need be.  The rankings are regional and do not give the East teams the benefit of playing non-regional teams in the Reg. Season, so why make them play the out of region teams come play-off time? And I know the 'answer' is travel restrictions, at least that is what was brought up last time...however, I have said this...the NCAA has plenty of $ to overcome this if they want their logo on the field and half the gate money come play-off time.

Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with the present system....just pointing out the glaring inconsistencies with reg season and post-season.  

yea but what happens in 100 years when Mt. Union isn't good anymore and a 9-1 SJF team doesnt make a playoff spot because the "north" region has an independent or conference champ that SJF beat 77-0 in week 7?

What goes around comes around.  Someday the east might have the top 10 teams in the country and the other regions will be whining because Mt. Ida keeps getting the #1 seed in the South! Until a team gets shafted from a playoff spot (which is very rare in d3 football playoff selections), let someone beat MUC and then things will change.

Lets face it, midwest football is currently better than east football and they deserve more playoff spots.  "regions" "areas" whatever, thats simply semantics.  Hell, they even use vague language in the NCAA championship literature when describing the whole process.

Dude, in 100 years it will be RPI vs. MIT every year since robots will be playing each other.

Which team will have the better ceramic armor made by Alfred engineers?

[AUKaz00]

Do posters really believe an NEFC team should be in the top ten?

Curry has two playoff wins in seasons when the E8 wasn't as far "down" as it is this year.  Of all years, this is the year they probably deserve some credit...

Very good point. But I think your not giving Springfield and Alfred enough credit. This Curry team is not nearly as good as the last two versions. Come playoff time we will find out. I think the best team in the NEFC is actually Maine Maritime who are on a collision course with Curry for the NEFC championship and before Plymouth was the last team to beat Curry from the NEFC.

dlip concurs regarding the lack of love that the Pride has recieved this year. They must earn it though and during the next two weeks they will have to. We will no as of Saturday night if they are going to challenge for a pool C.

To add support for dlip and Boxer, the E8 is 19-4 out of conference this year.  So is the E8 really down or is it just Ithaca?

[pumkinattack]

Hard to say.  Looking at the schedules, I see 12 games vs. NEFC or ECFC teams.  Throw in a Buff St., SLU and Morrissville (who've been getting crushed a lot) and there's not a lot of meat on the bone of that OOC schedule.

Looking around and excluding MUC and the really weaker competition, I see a 3pt loss to Union, 2pt win over U of R, 17pt win over Kings, 24pt win over Widener, 10pt win over Frostberg, 18pt loss to Salisbury, and a 3 pt loss to RPI.  That adds up to a whole lot of who knows.  There's no defining good OOC win and not enough sloppy losses to not clearly superior teams (to exclued MUC) to really know where the E8 stands this year.  Cortaca won't tell much because Cortland's on the 37th QB and I'm not sure how much you can tell from UofR, Widener and RPI yet.   

[Boxer7806]

Pumkinattack - +k for the research. I still believe Ithaca is down this year, not so much the conference. I remember all the way back in Week 1 when people were talking about Springfield and Alfred possibly making runs for the E8 title, thus the notion that these teams finish 1-2 shouldn't be that suprising IMO. I for one had Alfred ranked as pre season #1 in my poll because I thought they were returning some great playmakers. 

Springfield has no real supporters and Alfred has three of the best posters I've ever seen at keeping thier teams results and expectations in check. Sometimes I believe because of this fact, both teams do not get the recognition they deserve. I respect dlip and the Alfred supporters for giving Springfield some credit.

But this statement could blow up in my face if Springfield loses out and Alfred to Ithaca. Then the SJF and Ithaca posters can make me eat my words.

[maxpower]

If IC beats Springfield OR Alfred (OR both) then the East is totally F-ed. With nothing else to cheer for, it's kinda fun to be the spoiler.

[boobyhasgameyo]

Boxer you seem to think all Fisher posters are beyond arrogant and never give any other team credit when the reality of it is a majority of us call out our own team for poor performances as well as give other teams their props.  I can't tell you how many times Upstate has said Alfred is the team to beat, I have said the same as well as a year or so ago made mention that Springfield is a cyclical team that will be relevant again this season.  I think you have some sort of complex my friend, I know the Fisher people aren't against you and I am fairly certain the Ithaca posters aren't waiting for the opportunity to make you "eat your words" either.  

[boobyhasgameyo]

Actually Boxer I take that back, maybe it wasn't you that made all the claims of Fisher's arrogance.  So if it was not, that is Booby's bad.  


*Ahh yeah I did some digging, it was some cat named BoSox that has the complex.  Nevermind Boxer, you're cool.  But for some reason I always get you and BoSox mixed up... 

[maxpower]

+k on 5000 posts PG.

[boobyhasgameyo]

+k on 5000 posts PG.

No +k for my 1358th post max??

[maxpower]

+k on 5000 posts PG.

No +k for my 1358th post max??

Sigh. Fisher posters. Always crowing about respect.

+k.