East Region Fan Poll

[boobyhasgameyo]

+k on 5000 posts PG.

No +k for my 1358th post max??

Sigh. Fisher posters. Always crowing about respect.

+k.

Ha!  Well played...

[Boxer7806]

Booby-

No ill feelings for the mix up. I was actually referring to your comment earlier in the year about Springfield being a contender for the E8 title.

Being a farily new poster, sometimes I'm not fully aware of all people's affiliation with each school and sometimes my comments intended for a minority can be intepreted for the majority.

[pg04]

+k on 5000 posts PG.

Thanks!  Boy it's been like 6 or 7 years now I've been on here -- I'm glad my 5,000th post was something as usefull as the fan poll!

[SJFF82]

Regional rankings came out... ???Why even give any East region team a #1 ranking if they are going to ****ing bring someone East for the ****ing tourney. It is really ****ing stupid and ridiculous that even if an East region team runs the table and goes undefeated they will not get a #1 seed in a tourney that should be set by ****ing regions. This is really starting to piss dlip off if you guys couldn't tell. Well come on over MUC; Alfred, Albright, Del Val, Rowan, and everyone else are playing for # 2 in the East because the #1 seed in the East will not be from the east. WHAT THE ****!!!!!!!

Nobody said it was the East Region bracket any longer, dlippiel. If the top four teams don't include an East team, then so be it. Get better.

Understood Guru and you are right on with the fact that the East Region teams need to get better and make some noise. The only respect a team should really get is the respect they earn and we know it has been awhile since an Eastern team has really earned that respect in comparison to the top 4-6 teams in the nation. Yet dlip still believes the Brackets should be regional and feels it is annoying that there is always going to be a team "brought into" the East bracket for the tourney. Yet I guess you are right if you are saying there is no East bracket that is fully representative of the East as a whole. If not though then why is that brakcet made up of all eastern teams with the exception of one? Either mix it up or keep the brackets by region! Yet again, dlip will concurr, if an East region team and/or teams really started making noise on a consistent basis in the tourney and OOR games during the season then this would not even be an issue.

No, Dlip, dont waver, you are correct in that there is an inconsistency.  I went through this a few months ago on the boards.  Either make the tourney regional, or seed all 32 independently and have at it.  Make the East teams 25-32 if need be.  The rankings are regional and do not give the East teams the benefit of playing non-regional teams in the Reg. Season, so why make them play the out of region teams come play-off time? And I know the 'answer' is travel restrictions, at least that is what was brought up last time...however, I have said this...the NCAA has plenty of $ to overcome this if they want their logo on the field and half the gate money come play-off time.

Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with the present system....just pointing out the glaring inconsistencies with reg season and post-season. 

yea but what happens in 100 years when Mt. Union isn't good anymore and a 9-1 SJF team doesnt make a playoff spot because the "north" region has an independent or conference champ that SJF beat 77-0 in week 7?

What goes around comes around.  Someday the east might have the top 10 teams in the country and the other regions will be whining because Mt. Ida keeps getting the #1 seed in the South! Until a team gets shafted from a playoff spot (which is very rare in d3 football playoff selections), let someone beat MUC and then things will change.

Lets face it, midwest football is currently better than east football and they deserve more playoff spots.  "regions" "areas" whatever, thats simply semantics.  Hell, they even use vague language in the NCAA championship literature when describing the whole process.

JU...I have no problem with the selection process as far as what teams get in.  Likewise, I dont think that has been anyone's issue.  My problem is the seeding.  Under the scenario I have a problem with, the same 32 teams get in.  Its not that MUC is taking away an East team.  I agree that only 9 east teams should get in...maybe even less.  I just dont think the East should be 'shorted' the luxury of a #1...despite the relative strength of that #1 compared to the nation's top 4.

There is no harm in a particular region having 2 #1 quality teams in its bracket come play-offs...indeed, the region should be proud of such a feat.

[Jonny Utah]

Regional rankings came out... ???Why even give any East region team a #1 ranking if they are going to ****ing bring someone East for the ****ing tourney. It is really ****ing stupid and ridiculous that even if an East region team runs the table and goes undefeated they will not get a #1 seed in a tourney that should be set by ****ing regions. This is really starting to piss dlip off if you guys couldn't tell. Well come on over MUC; Alfred, Albright, Del Val, Rowan, and everyone else are playing for # 2 in the East because the #1 seed in the East will not be from the east. WHAT THE ****!!!!!!!

Nobody said it was the East Region bracket any longer, dlippiel. If the top four teams don't include an East team, then so be it. Get better.

Understood Guru and you are right on with the fact that the East Region teams need to get better and make some noise. The only respect a team should really get is the respect they earn and we know it has been awhile since an Eastern team has really earned that respect in comparison to the top 4-6 teams in the nation. Yet dlip still believes the Brackets should be regional and feels it is annoying that there is always going to be a team "brought into" the East bracket for the tourney. Yet I guess you are right if you are saying there is no East bracket that is fully representative of the East as a whole. If not though then why is that brakcet made up of all eastern teams with the exception of one? Either mix it up or keep the brackets by region! Yet again, dlip will concurr, if an East region team and/or teams really started making noise on a consistent basis in the tourney and OOR games during the season then this would not even be an issue.

No, Dlip, dont waver, you are correct in that there is an inconsistency.  I went through this a few months ago on the boards.  Either make the tourney regional, or seed all 32 independently and have at it.  Make the East teams 25-32 if need be.  The rankings are regional and do not give the East teams the benefit of playing non-regional teams in the Reg. Season, so why make them play the out of region teams come play-off time? And I know the 'answer' is travel restrictions, at least that is what was brought up last time...however, I have said this...the NCAA has plenty of $ to overcome this if they want their logo on the field and half the gate money come play-off time.

Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with the present system....just pointing out the glaring inconsistencies with reg season and post-season. 

yea but what happens in 100 years when Mt. Union isn't good anymore and a 9-1 SJF team doesnt make a playoff spot because the "north" region has an independent or conference champ that SJF beat 77-0 in week 7?

What goes around comes around.  Someday the east might have the top 10 teams in the country and the other regions will be whining because Mt. Ida keeps getting the #1 seed in the South! Until a team gets shafted from a playoff spot (which is very rare in d3 football playoff selections), let someone beat MUC and then things will change.

Lets face it, midwest football is currently better than east football and they deserve more playoff spots.  "regions" "areas" whatever, thats simply semantics.  Hell, they even use vague language in the NCAA championship literature when describing the whole process.

JU...I have no problem with the selection process as far as what teams get in.  Likewise, I dont think that has been anyone's issue.  My problem is the seeding.  Under the scenario I have a problem with, the same 32 teams get in.  Its not that MUC is taking away an East team.  I agree that only 9 east teams should get in...maybe even less.  I just dont think the East should be 'shorted' the luxury of a #1...despite the relative strength of that #1 compared to the nation's top 4.

There is no harm in a particular region having 2 #1 quality teams in its bracket come play-offs...indeed, the region should be proud of such a feat.

I hear what you are saying, but if you do it your way, the #1 and #2 teams in the country might meet in the third round.  Thats not exactly fair either.  I guess I just don't see MUC coming into the east as that big of a deal.

[pumkinattack]

We all know how good MUC is.  If they get put here, so be it.  They or UWW are the end of the road for everyone else this year anyway.  I'm not sure anyone is too frustrated about that specific concept.     

The issue would seem to be if the East had a team that let's say the D3 poll and general consensus was that is maybe 10th best or 8th best, and #1 regionally ranked.  The system isn't set up to really compare across regions, so what is the objective standard that allows this to be done?  At that point, it's not that a great MUC squad is being put in this bracket, but rather there's some conclusion that the #1 regionally ranked, undefeated Eastern team isn't deserving to have a top seed compared with the other three number one seeds.  In other words, what makes one undefeated team with a regional ranking of #1 better than another?  If there were a good answer to that other than we just know than the system functions properly. 

[Jonny Utah]

We all know how good MUC is.  If they get put here, so be it.  They or UWW are the end of the road for everyone else this year anyway.  I'm not sure anyone is too frustrated about that specific concept.     

The issue would seem to be if the East had a team that let's say the D3 poll and general consensus was that is maybe 10th best or 8th best, and #1 regionally ranked.  The system isn't set up to really compare across regions, so what is the objective standard that allows this to be done?  At that point, it's not that a great MUC squad is being put in this bracket, but rather there's some conclusion that the #1 regionally ranked, undefeated Eastern team isn't deserving to have a top seed compared with the other three number one seeds.  In other words, what makes one undefeated team with a regional ranking of #1 better than another?  If there were a good answer to that other than we just know than the system functions properly. 

I think this year it might come down to SJF getting blown out by MUC but then giving Alfred a good game.

[SJFF82]

I'm not sure anyone is too frustrated about that specific concept.     

What the DLIP are you DLIPPIN  talkin about... dlippiel has been DLIP DLIPPIN about how MUC should stay the DLIP out of the DLIPPIN East for 3 DLIPPIN weeks now....I think he has a DLIPPIN big problem with this DLIP.

[pg04]

I'm not sure anyone is too frustrated about that specific concept.     

What the DLIP are you DLIPPIN  talkin about... dlippiel has been DLIP DLIPPIN about how MUC should stay the DLIP out of the DLIPPIN East for 3 DLIPPIN weeks now....I think he has a DLIPPIN big problem with this DLIP.

Dlip that! 

[pumkinattack]

But hasn't his complaint been mainly that if there's a legitimate undefeated team in region (e.g. as opposed to last year where all the top teams had a loss) they shouldn't shift MUC over?  Then you get into, is AU or Albright legitimate and that's where you get into the debate.  What's legitimate is both the debate and problem with the system.  We all pretty much believe that AU and Albright aren't a top 5-6 team in the country, but we've accepted this system that's been in place and now it feels like the subjectivity has crept back in to the detriment of us in the East. 

Dlip,

  Would you have a problem if MUC was moved in if Curry was the only undefeated team in the East.  Assume the loss wasn't like a road loss in OT to MUC or Wesley or something like that.  Assume it's a loss to like a 7 win, decent but not great in region team.   

[fisheralum91]

But hasn't his complaint been mainly that if there's a legitimate undefeated team in region (e.g. as opposed to last year where all the top teams had a loss) they shouldn't shift MUC over?  Then you get into, is AU or Albright legitimate and that's where you get into the debate.  What's legitimate is both the debate and problem with the system.  We all pretty much believe that AU and Albright aren't a top 5-6 team in the country, but we've accepted this system that's been in place and now it feels like the subjectivity has crept back in to the detriment of us in the East. 

Dlip,

  Would you have a problem if MUC was moved in if Curry was the only undefeated team in the East.  Assume the loss wasn't like a road loss in OT to MUC or Wesley or something like that.  Assume it's a loss to like a 7 win, decent but not great in region team.   

great point.+ K

[dlippiel]

Dlip,

  Would you have a problem if MUC was moved in if Curry was the only undefeated team in the East.  Assume the loss wasn't like a road loss in OT to MUC or Wesley or something like that.  Assume it's a loss to like a 7 win, decent but not great in region team.

pa, a very good point indeed. Sorry dlip didn't respond earlier pa he just didn't see this until now. Well, really thinking about this statement dlip would have to honestly say he does not know. Because he knows the level of competition in the NEFC and the fact that Curry has not and is not a top twenty five team in the nation. So in some ways this actually negates dlip's earlier argument to an extent. A difference dlip sees between an undefeated Curry and undefeated Alfred is the strength of conference. With the E8 being a top ten conference and it's winner, who we are saying went undefeated, would be much more deserving of a #1 eastern seed. Yet, dlip guesses the big question here is that even if that was the case would an Alfred be deserving of a seeding that basically placed them in the top #4 teams in the entire tourney? dlip does not feel even if the Saxons run the table here in 09 they are a top four type team nationally. What it comes down to here is "feeling" and dlip knows "feeling" isn't an appropriate criteria for selecting a national seed. pa he will think some more and continue. One thing about dlip is that when he is wrong and/or off target he can admit it. His passion for the East is tremendous and would love to see his East deserving of an #1 seed. Whether or not they really are he must think about.

[dlippiel]

dlip will say he thinks Alfred at #25 seems a bit low. Preseason poll had preseason E8 favorite in the top ten and now, the E8 leader, whom played their back-up QB, just ****in destroyed an O.K. U of R team like Milk through a processor. To dlip, the D3 powers that be, may realize how they were off with their initial rankings of Cortland and Ithaca, and are going to make the Eastern teams earn their way back into any type of national favor. dlip thinks that in the past the undefeated E* leader by week #9 would be in the top 20. Pat made a good point last week, very simply he said, "get better."

[AUPepBand]

dlip will say he thinks Alfred at #25 seems a bit low. Preseason poll had preseason E8 favorite in the top ten and now, the E8 leader, whom played their back-up QB, just ****in destroyed an O.K. U of R team like Milk through a processor. To dlip, the D3 powers that be, may realize how they were off with their initial rankings of Cortland and Ithaca, and are going to make the Eastern teams earn their way back into any type of national favor. dlip thinks that in the past the undefeated E* leader by week #9 would be in the top 20. Pat made a good point last week, very simply he said, "get better."

Pep may agree that, based on comparable schedules and results, #25 may be a bit low for the Saxons. But Pep will maintain his conviction that polls are numbers and the only numbers that really matter are the numbers on the scoreboard every Saterday. When Alfred has bigger numbers than its opponents, that's a good thing. And should AU continue to have bigger numbers than its opponents, the rest of the numbers will take care of themselves.

On Saxon Warriors!

[maxpower]

Pep, +k for your continued use of Saterday, even when it's at an AU player's expense.

Although now that I think about it, I made fun of dumbass IC ballplayers when I was at school (Jose), why would I stop now?