East Region Fan Poll

[dlippiel]

There should be a little movement in the Poll this week. I just submitted my poll. My top (5) were Montclair, Salisbury, Del Val, Fisher and Hobart. Moved Kean to 6th.

Dlip's wife is a little concerned since she says that Dlip's poll always moves around.  His teams' placements might not, but definitely his poll...

OK, this really doesn't get old for some reason...

+k to the counselor for this post. ****, since dlip has gotton married no one has talked about his poll very much at all, ERFP or otherwise. Dlip feels like he is in college again, and even then his poll never made it onto a website. Well technically...alright dlip is done 

[Frank Rossi]

There should be a little movement in the Poll this week. I just submitted my poll. My top (5) were Montclair, Salisbury, Del Val, Fisher and Hobart. Moved Kean to 6th.

Dlip's wife is a little concerned since she says that Dlip's poll always moves around.  His teams' placements might not, but definitely his poll...

OK, this really doesn't get old for some reason...

+k to the counselor for this post. ****, since dlip has gotton married no one has talked about his poll very much at all, ERFP or otherwise. Dlip feels like he is in college again, and even then his poll never made it onto a website. Well technically...alright dlip is done 

Careful, Dlip.  You're taking away your chances to run for politics if your poll is appearing on websites.  You'll have to defend why it looks the way it does during your campaign stops to women aged 35-64.  They're relentless when it comes to the thick and thin of polls.

[pg04]

OK, we've passed the line...   

[pumkinattack]

I understand that and that's why I think the system is flawed when the NJAC and MAC only play one OOC conference.  There's got to be a better way to evaluate pool C candidates than the current system.  I'm still skeptical about the NJAC and think they're living off last year a little bit given that three teams were in the top 15 a week or two ago.

More importantly, at the halfway point or so, if one's formulating an opinion to date, you have to take into consideration the SOS to date.  E.g. who they played.  Perhaps I feel it more acutely because the LL has been down two years running and Hobart's getting effectively zero credit for their season to date and somehow being cast as the team who went, unfortunately, 11-7 the last two years (which would've been good when I played in the late 90's) and look at commentary and voting from everyone that's completely discounted a 36 point road evisceration of SJF (who beat us similarly last year on our home field) as well as no close wins to date.  Hobart's SOS is going down from here, so it seems like they should've gotten more credit in the front half of the seson (Dick-Road, SJF-Road, SLU-Home, Union-Road) than in the back half (MM-Home, WPI-Road, RPI-Home, UofR-Home), yet you know that they'll drift up the rankings in D3 and east poll and probably in seeding consideration if they win the last 4 which should be easier than the front 4.  It just doesn't follow and yet, it's predictable that will happen if Hobart can pull off an undefeated season.   

I bet Widener is just as unhappy about swapping Hobart out with Thiel as Hobart is with losing that game altogether now.  A win over this Hobart team might give them a shot at pool C is they won out with only a close loss to an undefeated DelVal.  All things considered, that move is going to hurt them more than us this year and we're back to 10 games next year (I think, Springfield and we pick up Utica along with Dickinson and somebody else, maybe Geneva). 

[Frank Rossi]

OK, we've passed the line...   

Wow, if you're stating that, I'm concerned

[Frank Rossi]

I understand that and that's why I think the system is flawed when the NJAC and MAC only play one OOC conference.  There's got to be a better way to evaluate pool C candidates than the current system.  I'm still skeptical about the NJAC and think they're living off last year a little bit given that three teams were in the top 15 a week or two ago.

More importantly, at the halfway point or so, if one's formulating an opinion to date, you have to take into consideration the SOS to date.  E.g. who they played.  Perhaps I feel it more acutely because the LL has been down two years running and Hobart's getting effectively zero credit for their season to date and somehow being cast as the team who went, unfortunately, 11-7 the last two years (which would've been good when I played in the late 90's) and look at commentary and voting from everyone that's completely discounted a 36 point road evisceration of SJF (who beat us similarly last year on our home field) as well as no close wins to date.  Hobart's SOS is going down from here, so it seems like they should've gotten more credit in the front half of the seson (Dick-Road, SJF-Road, SLU-Home, Union-Road) than in the back half (MM-Home, WPI-Road, RPI-Home, UofR-Home), yet you know that they'll drift up the rankings in D3 and east poll and probably in seeding consideration if they win the last 4 which should be easier than the front 4.  It just doesn't follow and yet, it's predictable that will happen if Hobart can pull off an undefeated season.   

I bet Widener is just as unhappy about swapping Hobart out with Thiel as Hobart is with losing that game altogether now.  A win over this Hobart team might give them a shot at pool C is they won out with only a close loss to an undefeated DelVal.  All things considered, that move is going to hurt them more than us this year and we're back to 10 games next year (I think, Springfield and we pick up Utica along with Dickinson and somebody else, maybe Geneva).

You know my preachings about SoS.  If we don't get a subjective component sooner rather than later (not a fully subjective strength index, but a component that includes perhaps the Top 25 polls in D3), then the only teams that will win Pool C bids are teams with only 6, 7 or 8 conference teams.  Teams in conferences with 9 or 10 are at a distinct disadvantage since their SoS will trend at .500 without much deviation.  That proves nothing about strength of schedule -- it proves that you lack deviation in larger conferences.  The numbers are pretty much a joke.

[Bombers798891]

I understand that and that's why I think the system is flawed when the NJAC and MAC only play one OOC conference.  There's got to be a better way to evaluate pool C candidates than the current system.  I'm still skeptical about the NJAC and think they're living off last year a little bit given that three teams were in the top 15 a week or two ago.

More importantly, at the halfway point or so, if one's formulating an opinion to date, you have to take into consideration the SOS to date.  E.g. who they played.  Perhaps I feel it more acutely because the LL has been down two years running and Hobart's getting effectively zero credit for their season to date and somehow being cast as the team who went, unfortunately, 11-7 the last two years (which would've been good when I played in the late 90's) and look at commentary and voting from everyone that's completely discounted a 36 point road evisceration of SJF (who beat us similarly last year on our home field) as well as no close wins to date.  Hobart's SOS is going down from here, so it seems like they should've gotten more credit in the front half of the seson (Dick-Road, SJF-Road, SLU-Home, Union-Road) than in the back half (MM-Home, WPI-Road, RPI-Home, UofR-Home), yet you know that they'll drift up the rankings in D3 and east poll and probably in seeding consideration if they win the last 4 which should be easier than the front 4.  It just doesn't follow and yet, it's predictable that will happen if Hobart can pull off an undefeated season.   

I bet Widener is just as unhappy about swapping Hobart out with Thiel as Hobart is with losing that game altogether now.  A win over this Hobart team might give them a shot at pool C is they won out with only a close loss to an undefeated DelVal.  All things considered, that move is going to hurt them more than us this year and we're back to 10 games next year (I think, Springfield and we pick up Utica along with Dickinson and somebody else, maybe Geneva).

You know my preachings about SoS.  If we don't get a subjective component sooner rather than later (not a fully subjective strength index, but a component that includes perhaps the Top 25 polls in D3), then the only teams that will win Pool C bids are teams with only 6, 7 or 8 conference teams.  Teams in conferences with 9 or 10 are at a distinct disadvantage since their SoS will trend at .500 without much deviation.  That proves nothing about strength of schedule -- it proves that you lack deviation in larger conferences.  The numbers are pretty much a joke.

I agree with you Frank, but I think, even if the raw number is always close to .500, the smell test can be different, which is why I think they can have value if used in a way beyond just the overall number for the league.

Let's take the OAC. In 2008, you only had one other non-MUC team go better than 5-4 in conference. In 2009, you had three. In 2005, you had four. Even though this comes at the expense of the bottom of the conference, to me, beating a team that went 7-1 in the rest of their conference games and a team that went 1-7 is more impressive than beating a pair of teams that went 5-3 and 4-4. If you played in a conference with eight other teams, it's a lot easier to run the table if the whole conference is mediocre than it is if half the teams are really good, and the other half terrible.

[dlippiel]

dlip is quite high on Hobart and has them at 4 (he believes but his poll is at...well you know). He concurrs about their "lack of" respect nationally and believes it does have to do with the LL being down. Time will tell pa, and honestly dlip is not very worried about it. Like he has said before, Bart will let it's play tell the tale with an undefeated season and a first round win in the NCAA's. At this point dlip can't really blame anyone (who has not seen them play) for doubting them as a top East Region team and warrenting a possible top 20 national vote. The SJF game means a lot to dlip, but many may feel it was somewhat of a fluke in comparison to SJF's body of work (which does not really impress dlip either) and holds even that win as being nothing great. Hobart has it's own destiny for 2012 sitting right in front of them and will take what they need.

[Frank Rossi]

Two problems, though, Bombers.  Look at the Liberty League -- there's a good chance that any league will begin to bulk up in the middle anyway, with 7 teams or 10 teams.  Even the E8 is beginning to do that this year.  Also, the current SoS index does nothing to reflect what you just stated (the 7-1/1-7 opponents instead of 5-4/4-5 opponents).  At the end of the season, with the exception of the game played against that team, both pairs of games register as basically .500 in the OWP (with maybe only slight variations in OOWP).

[Charles]

'That's what I love about these NEFC teams.  I get older, they're still the same sucky league.'

saying kids suck is wrong, please refrain from calling our student athletes, perhaps on this board you may think that you're something special but to call out student athletes is rude  and wrong.

Dude, you are out of your mind.  I'm actually pulling for the NEFC to improve.  I DO have indirect ties to Endicott and I root for them each week..  But when some clown like you comes on here saying that they should be respected nationally and will be in Salem before we know it...well, I have to draw a line somewhere. 

I don't call out specific players and wouldn't do that.  And i'm not biased either.  I'm realistic.  And i'm more than willing to say that other than Hobart, the LL is a sucky league right now too. 

However, I AM something special.

first of all "lewdogg" I wrote "I'm willing to bet that the NEFC has a team in Salem before any E8 team returns".
and second, dude, you're way out of line dissing student athletes, that's just wrong and not very nice. They all work extremely hard from the 0-7 teams to the 7-0 teams.

[pg04]

Apparently reading comprehension is not one of charles' strong points.  Or he is purposely trying to be inflammatory. 

[lewdogg11]

Dear Mr. Blue Duck,

I regret to inform you that you are NOT, in fact, a purple giraffe.  I know that for your entire life, your parents, friends, family etc have repeatedly told you that you are a purple giraffe in an attempt to not hurt your feelings.  However, you are a blue duck.

[SJFF82]

While Endicott is clearly not coming out of (assuming they win their conference) the E8 2006-2009 or the LL of the same vintage, etc..., lets not just dismiss them based on the posts of Charles.  In 2006, 82 unabashedly tooted Fisher's horn as a new poster, and I was BLASTED.  SJF was a traditional doormat with zero wins on a National scale.  Many posters, including other SJF posters, told me to pipe down cuz MUC would beat SJF by 100 if SJF even got off the bus.  That was mid season befoe SJF had sniffed the play-offs, like Endicott right now.  I am certainly not comparing 2011 Endicott to Mark Robinson, Steve Stepnick, Rob Kramer, Gene Lang et al, but you cannot just preemptively slap down a team that is winning at a clip of 45-12 every game.  Especially in a year where the East power is flickering at best.  SJF and AU have both been absolutely manhandled at home.  (AU wont even be in the discussion at this point).  Kean just lost to winless B-port.  Cortland is likely out.  82 is just sayin....I mean just last week, some were so completely positive that Kean was #1 in the East and Cortland had no business being ahead of them....well, I did caution against that and again caution against underestimating any team that is 7-0 and whipping everyone. 

I know Curry was 3 years ago and was only a 5 pt win...and everything else... but who, other than 'Curry poster' figured that anything less than a 35pt victory (at South Hill) for Ithaca was possible.  So I agree it aint evidence of what Endicott can do OOC in 2011, but it does prove that the 'impossible'  can and does happen ATE region from season to season.

I took a peek at Endicott roster....they appear to have a Senior loaded starting line-up, good size at O-LINE and they have tasted the NCAA againt the big-boys. 

Charles is rightfully proud of his squad and he should talk some smack, take his karma lumps, and if he's 'lucky' he can come back in a few weeks and say I told ya so...like 82 did in 2006.

[Yanks 99]

'That's what I love about these NEFC teams.  I get older, they're still the same sucky league.'

saying kids suck is wrong, please refrain from calling our student athletes, perhaps on this board you may think that you're something special but to call out student athletes is rude  and wrong.

Dude, you are out of your mind.  I'm actually pulling for the NEFC to improve.  I DO have indirect ties to Endicott and I root for them each week..  But when some clown like you comes on here saying that they should be respected nationally and will be in Salem before we know it...well, I have to draw a line somewhere. 

I don't call out specific players and wouldn't do that.  And i'm not biased either.  I'm realistic.  And i'm more than willing to say that other than Hobart, the LL is a sucky league right now too. 

However, I AM something special.

first of all "lewdogg" I wrote "I'm willing to bet that the NEFC has a team in Salem before any E8 team returns".
and second, dude, you're way out of line dissing student athletes, that's just wrong and not very nice. They all work extremely hard from the 0-7 teams to the 7-0 teams.

I guess Charles is basing his idea that an NEFC will be "in Salem before any E8 team returns" on the simple fact that an NEFC has never made it past the second round of the tournament, thus needing some NEFC team to go on some magical run to win three more tournament games in the process just to get to Salem...which is one more win than the entire conference has...ever.  Considering just the E8 alone has had four different teams make six appearances in the NCAA quarterfinals (with one semi-final appearance) in 5 of the past 10 seasons , I would say your assumption is wildly off the mark...

[SJFF82]

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