East Region Fan Poll

[SJFF82]

Why is it called the East Region in the play-offs?

Just to Clarify, the NCAA uses no such designation to the playoff brackets any longer.

oh...ok...is this thread still called the East Region Fan Poll???   

[pg04]

Why is it called the East Region in the play-offs?

Just to Clarify, the NCAA uses no such designation to the playoff brackets any longer.

oh...ok...is this thread still called the East Region Fan Poll???   

Yes, but thankfully this board has no bearing on the team selection process 

[Pat Coleman]

Does this mean you guys should be listening to me about Ithaca? After all, if 82 is supposed to be impressed by 80+ games over seven years, then what's 200+ over the last 24? Shouldn't Pep be anointed the all-knowing sage of Alfred?

Go back and look at what SJF82 initially asked.  He was looking for input from someone who has seen Del Val more than once this year.  I have so I offered input.  He's not obliged to take it. I wasn't offended that he didn't.

And actually I do personally put more weight in your view of Ithaca than other posters who aren't as familiar with the school.

while I certainly appreciate your opinion on Del Val, and when its top observer claims they aint one of the Top 5 I have no basis to debate, I did not ask how good they were nor did I claim they were Top 5, or one of the "Top 4" in the land.

That was Pat's implication of my posts because he refuses to address the point that I did make (and several other posters have as well)

I believe you that DVC aint one of the 4 best in the land....

The point I clearly made was that a 10-0 DVC team (regardless of their perceived National Ranking) has earned and deserves the #1 EAST REGION ranking?

That is the question PC, that you cant answer, so dont claim someone else answered it and that I ignored it.  Gordanmann was not even responding to my post....go back and look at the thread.  He responded to Pumpkin attack's post.

Why is it called the East Region in the play-offs?

Bombers does make some good pts about The East teams shooting themselves in the foot, but what we have been discussing of late is the perception that a 10-0 East team may still play second fiddle to MUC.

Show me the team from the North that has recently played MUC closer or further into a Region final or National semi than SJF, IC, or Cortland.

I have shown you how the North pushed its best team out the door last year for the Tommies who couldnt score 2 TDs against Bethel in the Region finals.  Without looking, I believe a similar scenario has played itself out in the North a few times since MUC has been coming East.

The fact is, that whatever team replaces MUC in the NORTH, usually doesnt even win the Region, and even if they do, they get smoked by MUC anyway.

If that so called #1 cant win the North Region, then what evidence is there that they are a Top 4 team???  Because PC sarcastically says so???

What PG is correct. It's NOT called the East Region in the playoffs and hasn't been by the NCAA for years. And you can debate individual games and individual ways the East has fallen down in the past, and often there are ways that is true in other regions as well. (You go back to the Bethel-St. Thomas quarterfinal again, so I'll point out what people out here know about: St. Thomas losing its All-American receiving threat early in the game and a strong defensive team able to sell out against the run against them shut the run down hard. Then a one-dimensional Bethel goes to Alliance and does what one-dimensional teams do in Alliance.)

Not sure about your North point. UW-Whitewater has won that bracket two years running now.

[SJFF82]

Gordon, thanks for the feedback.  Have you seen enough of Linfield & St Thomas (since it appears this debate, this year, assuming UMHB is locked into #1 in the south) to be comfortable with their strengths and weaknesses vis-a-vis Del Val.   

Gordon -- guess your 80-plus games of Delaware Valley experience didn't impress 82. He wasn't interested in the contrary opinion, only assuming that we didn't know what we were talking about.

Pat: How is seeing Delaware Valley play so many games over the years relevant to whether or not this year's team is better than say, St. Thomas this year? Many of the 80+ games you speak of are largely irrelevant to a discussion of the 2011 teams relative power.

Not saying it is, but 82 asked for something specific, got it, then ignored it.

I understand that the East Region fans would love to have eight guaranteed spots for East Region teams but that isn't how it works. Each region gets what it earns. And since each region can have a different number of automatic bids, it doesn't make sense for it easier to get an at-large bid on one region than another.

PC...you would love to find an East Region fan who actually 'said' that or even implied that....

have you read this thread...at all?    Nobody is asking for 8 spots....the discussion has been strictly about 1 spot....the #1 spot.....focus

[Pat Coleman]

Show me the team from the North that has recently played MUC closer or further into a Region final or National semi than SJF, IC, or Cortland.

Here:
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Mount_Union/2008/index
Beat Hobart by 34, Cortland by 27, Wheaton by 21. The last time a North Region team faced Mount Union in the playoffs, it was the closest game outside of Salem.

[Pat Coleman]

I understand that the East Region fans would love to have eight guaranteed spots for East Region teams but that isn't how it works.

PC...you would love to find an East Region fan who actually 'said' that or even implied that....

have you read this thread...at all?    Nobody is asking for 8 spots....the discussion has been strictly about 1 spot....the #1 spot.....focus

It happened right here, 82:

dlip just thinks the touney should be set up BY regions (yes meaning each region's bracket only contains teams from that region). Right or wrong, weak or strong, this is just dlip's opinion. It's region this, and region that, all year until it's time to place teams into the brackets (specifically the top four seeds). dlip doesn't think it's a bad idea to place the best 4 teams as #1 seeds, he just likes the purely regional set-up better. He thinks it provides each geographic region the opportunity to continue the battle, within itself, to make the final four. Then you truly have the best teams from each region facing off.

[Pat Coleman]

82 -- believe me, I am trying to focus but the conversation is all over the place and you aren't even exactly following.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Does this mean you guys should be listening to me about Ithaca? After all, if 82 is supposed to be impressed by 80+ games over seven years, then what's 200+ over the last 24? Shouldn't Pep be anointed the all-knowing sage of Alfred?

Go back and look at what SJF82 initially asked.  He was looking for input from someone who has seen Del Val more than once this year.  I have so I offered input.  He's not obliged to take it. I wasn't offended that he didn't.

And actually I do personally put more weight in your view of Ithaca than other posters who aren't as familiar with the school.

while I certainly appreciate your opinion on Del Val, and when its top observer claims they aint one of the Top 5 I have no basis to debate, I did not ask how good they were nor did I claim they were Top 5, or one of the "Top 4" in the land.

That was Pat's implication of my posts because he refuses to address the point that I did make (and several other posters have as well)

I believe you that DVC aint one of the 4 best in the land....

The point I clearly made was that a 10-0 DVC team (regardless of their perceived National Ranking) has earned and deserves the #1 EAST REGION ranking?

That is the question PC, that you cant answer, so dont claim someone else answered it and that I ignored it.  Gordanmann was not even responding to my post....go back and look at the thread.  He responded to Pumpkin attack's post.

Why is it called the East Region in the play-offs?

Bombers does make some good pts about The East teams shooting themselves in the foot, but what we have been discussing of late is the perception that a 10-0 East team may still play second fiddle to MUC.

Show me the team from the North that has recently played MUC closer or further into a Region final or National semi than SJF, IC, or Cortland.

I have shown you how the North pushed its best team out the door last year for the Tommies who couldnt score 2 TDs against Bethel in the Region finals.  Without looking, I believe a similar scenario has played itself out in the North a few times since MUC has been coming East.

The fact is, that whatever team replaces MUC in the NORTH, usually doesnt even win the Region, and even if they do, they get smoked by MUC anyway.

If that so called #1 cant win the North Region, then what evidence is there that they are a Top 4 team???  Because PC sarcastically says so???

In addition to the fact that playoffs regions have been not named East, North, etc., for several years now, you are mistaken even about the traditional designations.  St. Thomas was #1 in the WEST.  What used to be the North put up with UMU for years before they were inflicted on you; all but one year since then, we have received UWW as a replacement (gosh, thanks committee! ).

Sorry, but you are not going to receive much sympathy from what used to be called the North region!

[Bombers798891]

I think a lot of these lesser-team losses come down to pure fatigue in many cases.  I think DelVal was experiencing that in Game 10 last year in the Widener shocker (I know they had the Wesley loss, but just as an example).  If you look past the MIAC, WIAC, CCIW and ASC, I don't see this level of competition whereby teams are just toast by Game 9 or 10 and drop an unexpected matchup to the degree we see in the East.

Fatigue? The Montclair loss came in Week 1. The Ithaca loss came in Week 4. The Hobart one came in Week 5. The Fisher loss came in Week 5. Sorry, Frank, but that's not an excuse, at least not in the numerous ones I brought up

[SJFF82]

I understand that the East Region fans would love to have eight guaranteed spots for East Region teams but that isn't how it works.

PC...you would love to find an East Region fan who actually 'said' that or even implied that....

have you read this thread...at all?    Nobody is asking for 8 spots....the discussion has been strictly about 1 spot....the #1 spot.....focus

It happened right here, 82:

dlip just thinks the touney should be set up BY regions (yes meaning each region's bracket only contains teams from that region). Right or wrong, weak or strong, this is just dlip's opinion. It's region this, and region that, all year until it's time to place teams into the brackets (specifically the top four seeds). dlip doesn't think it's a bad idea to place the best 4 teams as #1 seeds, he just likes the purely regional set-up better. He thinks it provides each geographic region the opportunity to continue the battle, within itself, to make the final four. Then you truly have the best teams from each region facing off.

he was only kidding

[pg04]

It certainly becomes confusing when even we say that the brackets don't get named by region anymore but then we start labeling the regions that way anyway...  I've started to say "The region that houses most of the Eastern Teams"

[SJFF82]

Does this mean you guys should be listening to me about Ithaca? After all, if 82 is supposed to be impressed by 80+ games over seven years, then what's 200+ over the last 24? Shouldn't Pep be anointed the all-knowing sage of Alfred?

Go back and look at what SJF82 initially asked.  He was looking for input from someone who has seen Del Val more than once this year.  I have so I offered input.  He's not obliged to take it. I wasn't offended that he didn't.

And actually I do personally put more weight in your view of Ithaca than other posters who aren't as familiar with the school.

while I certainly appreciate your opinion on Del Val, and when its top observer claims they aint one of the Top 5 I have no basis to debate, I did not ask how good they were nor did I claim they were Top 5, or one of the "Top 4" in the land.

That was Pat's implication of my posts because he refuses to address the point that I did make (and several other posters have as well)

I believe you that DVC aint one of the 4 best in the land....

The point I clearly made was that a 10-0 DVC team (regardless of their perceived National Ranking) has earned and deserves the #1 EAST REGION ranking?

That is the question PC, that you cant answer, so dont claim someone else answered it and that I ignored it.  Gordanmann was not even responding to my post....go back and look at the thread.  He responded to Pumpkin attack's post.

Why is it called the East Region in the play-offs?

Bombers does make some good pts about The East teams shooting themselves in the foot, but what we have been discussing of late is the perception that a 10-0 East team may still play second fiddle to MUC.

Show me the team from the North that has recently played MUC closer or further into a Region final or National semi than SJF, IC, or Cortland.

I have shown you how the North pushed its best team out the door last year for the Tommies who couldnt score 2 TDs against Bethel in the Region finals.  Without looking, I believe a similar scenario has played itself out in the North a few times since MUC has been coming East.

The fact is, that whatever team replaces MUC in the NORTH, usually doesnt even win the Region, and even if they do, they get smoked by MUC anyway.

If that so called #1 cant win the North Region, then what evidence is there that they are a Top 4 team???  Because PC sarcastically says so???

In addition to the fact that playoffs regions have been not named East, North, etc., for several years now, you are mistaken even about the traditional designations.  St. Thomas was #1 in the WEST.  What used to be the North put up with UMU for years before they were inflicted on you; all but one year since then, we have received UWW as a replacement (gosh, thanks committee! ).

Sorry, but you are not going to receive much sympathy from what used to be called the North region!

ok, but was that the point?  The point was that MUC getting shipped East causes a domino affect that opens up a region for a #1 that is not going to fare any better against MUC once they meet them than an East team

[lewdogg11]

Let's all relax about Delaware Valley for a few weeks.  There is a chance, and even a relatively decent chance, that they finish 8-2.  Their schedule is backloaded and we'll see where they are in the next 2 weeks.  And even if they win both, I think they'll be a 2 seed, but anything could happen. 

[Pat Coleman]

It certainly becomes confusing when even we say that the brackets don't get named by region anymore but then we start labeling the regions that way anyway...  I've started to say "The region that houses most of the Eastern Teams"

That's how I've been referring to it on the podcast: "The bracket of easternmost teams."

[Ralph Turner]

And before UMU, there was Capital...