East Region Fan Poll

[SJFF82]

Widener is 2-0 against 2 teams that are a combined:

                        2-41...that is not a typo folks...

in the past 2 seasons through week 2 of 2012

[Frank Rossi]

Salisbury has dominated SJF for 2 years now, or maybe even 3?  That has to be reflected until either SJF beats them H2H or Salisbury has a loss to mediocre or less team.  But how is Widener 2 in a poll?

Last I checked, these polls were based on 2012 opinions, not so much on 2010 and 2011 performance.

[SJFF82]

oh...my mistake, then Widener is better than SJF right now as we speak.  Should we ignore MUC's hx of winning too when we rank them?

[SJFF82]

clearly Frank you are just playing devil's advocate b/c I dont perceive you have Widener ranked ahead of Fisher in your National Poll? 

[Frank Rossi]

clearly Frank you are just playing devil's advocate b/c I dont perceive you have Widener ranked ahead of Fisher in your National Poll?

No, but they are #12, behind Salisbury.  They got a high starting position in mine based on the experience they brought back this year (it was one of the largest retentions in the entire country, especially among teams meriting ranking).  Between that and their offensive output in 2011, I had a lot of faith in the team.  They'll be tested soon enough against LebVal.

[AUKaz00]

Salisbury has dominated SJF for 2 years now, or maybe even 3?  That has to be reflected until either SJF beats them H2H or Salisbury has a loss to mediocre or less team.  But how is Widener 2 in a poll?

Last I checked, these polls were based on 2012 opinions, not so much on 2010 and 2011 performance.

Well, if we are looking at 2011 results, Widener only trailed Salisbury in point differential in the East last year.  Not sure how much schedule strength plays into that (like the two teams they just rolled), but it's something.

[Bombers798891]

clearly Frank you are just playing devil's advocate b/c I dont perceive you have Widener ranked ahead of Fisher in your National Poll?

No way. Frank and I disagree on a ton of stuff, but I've rarely, if ever, seen him play the Devil's advocate card. His opinions are always backed up by his beliefs.

[SJFF82]

clearly Frank you are just playing devil's advocate b/c I dont perceive you have Widener ranked ahead of Fisher in your National Poll?

No way. Frank and I disagree on a ton of stuff, but I've rarely, if ever, seen him play the Devil's advocate card. His opinions are always backed up by his beliefs.

well, yeah, his beliefs are that apparently Widener's 2-0 start should not be discounted by the fact that they beat 2 teams that just do not win football games over a full 2 year period.  And I questioned the poll (not even sure who's it is) that has Widener ahead of Fisher in this regard and he defended it???  Anyone else think Widener is better than SJF?

[lewdogg11]

clearly Frank you are just playing devil's advocate b/c I dont perceive you have Widener ranked ahead of Fisher in your National Poll?

No way. Frank and I disagree on a ton of stuff, but I've rarely, if ever, seen him play the Devil's advocate card. His opinions are always backed up by his beliefs.

well, yeah, his beliefs are that apparently Widener's 2-0 start should not be discounted by the fact that they beat 2 teams that just do not win football games over a full 2 year period.  And I questioned the poll (not even sure who's it is) that has Widener ahead of Fisher in this regard and he defended it???  Anyone else think Widener is better than SJF?

I have Widener at 5.  not me!

[Frank Rossi]

clearly Frank you are just playing devil's advocate b/c I dont perceive you have Widener ranked ahead of Fisher in your National Poll?

No way. Frank and I disagree on a ton of stuff, but I've rarely, if ever, seen him play the Devil's advocate card. His opinions are always backed up by his beliefs.

well, yeah, his beliefs are that apparently Widener's 2-0 start should not be discounted by the fact that they beat 2 teams that just do not win football games over a full 2 year period.  And I questioned the poll (not even sure who's it is) that has Widener ahead of Fisher in this regard and he defended it???  Anyone else think Widener is better than SJF?

When did I defend it?  I think you're confusing two separate issues you've raised.  I believe SJF could be ranked ahead of Salisbury based on the Salisbury loss and what beliefs were about SJF entering the season (even despite the close W&J game).  I didn't say Widener deserved to be above SJF or Salisbury (and they aren't on my poll).  So, please do not attribute things to me that I didn't say -- I have enough debate that goes on based on what I actually DO say.

[Bombers798891]

clearly Frank you are just playing devil's advocate b/c I dont perceive you have Widener ranked ahead of Fisher in your National Poll?

No way. Frank and I disagree on a ton of stuff, but I've rarely, if ever, seen him play the Devil's advocate card. His opinions are always backed up by his beliefs.

well, yeah, his beliefs are that apparently Widener's 2-0 start should not be discounted by the fact that they beat 2 teams that just do not win football games over a full 2 year period.  And I questioned the poll (not even sure who's it is) that has Widener ahead of Fisher in this regard and he defended it???  Anyone else think Widener is better than SJF?

He didn't defend it. He called out the logic you used to question it in the first place. Those are two different things. Pointing out a weakness in your argument doesn't inherently mean he advocates for the opposing view

[dlippiel]

Dlip had Widener at #1 in his poll...well not really, he thought it would be fun to type.

[dlippiel]

Some shuffling around this week boys...some shuffling around. 

[Yanks 99]

For all intents and purposes...and to help drive discussion this week...here is what I submitted for my Top #10 ERFP for the week.

Week #3:

1) Salisbury
2) St. John Fisher
3) Brockport
4) Buffalo State
5) Hobart
6) Widener
7) Albright
8) Rowan
9) Lycoming
10) Cortland


This is easily the most difficult week that I can remember in putting together the ERFP.  Honestly, I could reasonably accept almost any argument that any team listed in my top 4 could/should be #1 overall...and I wouldn't have a single problem with it.  I went back and forth quite a few times...and had each of my current top four teams ranked #1 at one point.  The one good thing is that with three E8 teams listed in my top four...and deservingly so...this will all play out on the field. 

[SUADC]

This is easily the most difficult week that I can remember in putting together the ERFP.  Honestly, I could reasonably accept almost any argument that any team listed in my top 4 could/should be #1 overall...and I wouldn't have a single problem with it.

I agree with this assessment, each team has a credible argument and as you said with three teams in the E-8, it will definitely settle itself on the field. Also, with Salisbury playing Buff State and St. John Fisher in consecutive weeks, it will be clear in less than a month.