East Region Fan Poll

[Bombers798891]

They have a good portion of both their defense back and a good portion of the O-line and an All-American RB. I think with 8 guys on defense with playoff experience, I would consider that good enough.

The teams are different because the players are different. Not just on Framingham, but every team in the country. And what about new coaches? And different schedules? And returning players not being as good one year as they are the year before? And returning players being a lot better than the year before? You can't just change all these things and then say "But let's pretend it's last year"

EDIT: My "You'd be wrong" opener here was over the line. You would be illogical, IMO, but you're entitled to your own line of thinking.

[D3MAFAN]

They have a good portion of both their defense back and a good portion of the O-line and an All-American RB. I think with 8 guys on defense with playoff experience, I would consider that good enough.

You'd be wrong. The teams are different because the players are different. Not just on Framingham, but every team in the country. And what about new coaches? And different schedules? And returning players not being as good one year as they are the year before? And returning players being a lot better than the year before? You can't just change all these things and then say "But let's pretend it's last year"

No need to pretend, I understand each and everyones point why they feel Framingham State is not in the Top 10 in the "East Regional Fan Poll," I just think that the way the East has being playing out, its hard to say "Who's, Who." If you feel that somone should be higher than another team you have to support it and as many of you already said, Framingham State loss its game to Rowan, which was a competitive game in my opinion and Rowan is at the bottom of the East regional fan poll and could easily work its way up, so essentially Framingham State would have to be less than that. My point, which actually was the reason I started this conversation was to discuss why Framingham State would hold their own and not get beat easily by most teams in the Top 10 east fan poll, which was indicated and I thought that was kind of harsh. In my opinioin, they don't have to be a Top 10 team in the east fan poll, but saying they would just sit down and lose easily "bad" is kind of just saying they aren't competive at all.

[Bombers798891]

They have a good portion of both their defense back and a good portion of the O-line and an All-American RB. I think with 8 guys on defense with playoff experience, I would consider that good enough.

You'd be wrong. The teams are different because the players are different. Not just on Framingham, but every team in the country. And what about new coaches? And different schedules? And returning players not being as good one year as they are the year before? And returning players being a lot better than the year before? You can't just change all these things and then say "But let's pretend it's last year"

No need to pretend, I understand each and everyone point why they feel Framingham State is not in the Top 10. I just think that the way the east has being playing out, its hard to say "Who's, Who." If you feel that somone should be higher than another team you have to support it and as many of you already said, Framingham State loss its game to Rowan, which was a competitive game and Rowan is at the bottom of the East regional fan poll, so they essentially would have to be less than that. My point, which I started tis conversation was that Framingham State would get beat easily by most teams in the Top 10 east fan poll, which I said was kind of harsh. They don't have to be a Top 10 team in the east fan poll, but saying they would just sit down and lose easily "bad" is kind of just saying they aren't competive at all.

I think we can quibble with whether or not the statement about Framingham is correct or not. But I don't think introducing data from 2012 is the best way to do it.

[lewdogg11]

Framingham gave Cortland a pretty good run in last year's playoffs if I remember it right.

RPI beat Hobart in 2011 too, but I didn't think of ranking them in the top 10.

[lewdogg11]

And if it makes you feel better, I have Framingham St. ranked ahead of Cortland in my extended rankings.  Although if they played head to head tomorrow, I'd put the majority of my money on Cortland, which makes this conversation even more ridiculous.

[dlippiel]

Dlip is with Lew here. We have this discussion every year regarding one of the upstart teams in the NEFC/MASCAC. Dlip can appreciate the perspective by some regarding the said team's ability to compete with other top level ER teams however IDHO Framingham is still not there yet. Again, Dlip has said this many times over that the gap is getting smaller and these conversations are warrented as a result. All Dlip knows is that he feels the east region as a whole is getting A Fletch level proctologist exam regarding the D3 poll. The bias is getting a bit annoying to Dlip.

[D3MAFAN]

Dlip is with Lew here. We have this discussion every year regarding one of the upstart teams in the NEFC/MASCAC. Dlip can appreciate the perspective by some regarding the said team's ability to compete with other top level ER teams however IDHO Framingham is still not there yet. Again, Dlip has said this many times over that the gap is getting smaller and these conversations are warrented as a result. All Dlip knows is that he feels the east region as a whole is getting A Fletch level proctologist exam regarding the D3 poll. The bias is getting a bit annoying to Dlip.

The bias starts at home with our own perception. I am sure many individuals have never watch more than one NEFC/MASCAC game. Also, it is getting annoying.

[Knightstalker]

They have a good portion of both their defense back and a good portion of the O-line and an All-American RB. I think with 8 guys on defense with playoff experience, I would consider that good enough.

You'd be wrong. The teams are different because the players are different. Not just on Framingham, but every team in the country. And what about new coaches? And different schedules? And returning players not being as good one year as they are the year before? And returning players being a lot better than the year before? You can't just change all these things and then say "But let's pretend it's last year"

No need to pretend, I understand each and everyone point why they feel Framingham State is not in the Top 10. I just think that the way the east has being playing out, its hard to say "Who's, Who." If you feel that somone should be higher than another team you have to support it and as many of you already said, Framingham State loss its game to Rowan, which was a competitive game and Rowan is at the bottom of the East regional fan poll, so they essentially would have to be less than that. My point, which I started tis conversation was that Framingham State would get beat easily by most teams in the Top 10 east fan poll, which I said was kind of harsh. They don't have to be a Top 10 team in the east fan poll, but saying they would just sit down and lose easily "bad" is kind of just saying they aren't competive at all.

I think we can quibble with whether or not the statement about Framingham is correct or not. But I don't think introducing data from 2012 is the best way to do it.

If you are going to quibble, you should wear a bib.

[AUPepBand]

I think we can quibble with whether or not the statement about Framingham is correct or not. But I don't think introducing data from 2012 is the best way to do it.

If you are going to quibble, you should wear a bib.

And if you're going to dribble, you should wear your basketball shoes...and/or a bib.

[dlippiel]

Dlip is with Lew here. We have this discussion every year regarding one of the upstart teams in the NEFC/MASCAC. Dlip can appreciate the perspective by some regarding the said team's ability to compete with other top level ER teams however IDHO Framingham is still not there yet. Again, Dlip has said this many times over that the gap is getting smaller and these conversations are warrented as a result. All Dlip knows is that he feels the east region as a whole is getting A Fletch level proctologist exam regarding the D3 poll. The bias is getting a bit annoying to Dlip.

The bias starts at home with our own perception. I am sure many individuals have never watch more than one NEFC/MASCAC game. Also, it is getting annoying.

Dlip is sure it is and your point is understood. Like Dlip said earlier the gap is getting smaller for sure. However you have to understand there is frustration here by many because that east region bias isn't helped by having teams from two of the lowest ranked conferences in D3 getting auto bids to the tourney. Many feel that these bids and teams keep a more competitive representative from having the opportunity to represent the east. Honestly it's not just the posters here on the east region boards that feel the overall play of the teams from these conferences is a step below the other conferences in the east. Dlip applauds your thoughts and feels it will be sooner than later that this bias will disappear because the gap will continue to get smaller.

[ECoastFootball]

Framingham gave Cortland a pretty good run in last year's playoffs if I remember it right.

See the bold for why that statement is irrelevant on October 28, 2013:

Framingham Starters against Cortland in 2012   Framingham Starters last week

QB     Matthew Silva                                         QB     William Luks
WR    Philip Clain                                             WR     Jared Gauthier
WR    Alexander Avery                                     WR     Travis Hayes
WR    Tyrone Figueroa                                     WR     Tevin Jones
RB    Melikke Van Alstyne                                RB     Melikke Van Alstyne
C    Nicholas Stanfield                                   C     N. Stanfield
LG    Aaron Ferreira                                        RG     Aaron Ferreira
RG    Bryan DaSilva                                         LG     Bryan Dasilva               
RT    Joseph Masucci                                      RT     Patrick McDonald
LT    James Krebs                                          LT    James Krebs
FB    Randall Kelleher                                     FB     Aaron Owens
S     Chris Blydell                                           S     Matthew Mangano
DE    Chevere Archer                                      DE     Chevere Archer
LB    Michael Altavesta                                   LB     Michael Altavesta
CB    Tyrone Notice                                        CB     Lewis Bailey
CB    Ony Ramos                                           CB     Ony Ramos
LB    Samuel Hill                                           LB     Samuel Hill
LB    Patrick McGrath                                    LB     Patrick McGrath
S    Kevin Donahue                                     S    Kevin Donahue
DT    James Muirhead                                   DT     O. Dickerson
DT    Alexander Torti                                    DT     Alexander Torti
DE    Jeffrey Touron                                     DE     Jeffrey Touron

While this is important, it is also important to know that the changes aren't necessarily because of graduation. Luks is starting for Silva because he was hurt this week. Jared Gauthier is a new starter at WR because he is a 1-AA transfer from the University of New Hampshire. Tevin Jones is starting over last years guy Clain because he is better, Clain just got beat out. That being said, I do not think they are as good as last year and if Silva doesn't come back they are in trouble in he first round if they are blessed with a bid.

[Bombers798891]

Framingham gave Cortland a pretty good run in last year's playoffs if I remember it right.

See the bold for why that statement is irrelevant on October 28, 2013:

Framingham Starters against Cortland in 2012   Framingham Starters last week

QB     Matthew Silva                                         QB     William Luks
WR    Philip Clain                                             WR     Jared Gauthier
WR    Alexander Avery                                     WR     Travis Hayes
WR    Tyrone Figueroa                                     WR     Tevin Jones
RB    Melikke Van Alstyne                                RB     Melikke Van Alstyne
C    Nicholas Stanfield                                   C     N. Stanfield
LG    Aaron Ferreira                                        RG     Aaron Ferreira
RG    Bryan DaSilva                                         LG     Bryan Dasilva               
RT    Joseph Masucci                                      RT     Patrick McDonald
LT    James Krebs                                          LT    James Krebs
FB    Randall Kelleher                                     FB     Aaron Owens
S     Chris Blydell                                           S     Matthew Mangano
DE    Chevere Archer                                      DE     Chevere Archer
LB    Michael Altavesta                                   LB     Michael Altavesta
CB    Tyrone Notice                                        CB     Lewis Bailey
CB    Ony Ramos                                           CB     Ony Ramos
LB    Samuel Hill                                           LB     Samuel Hill
LB    Patrick McGrath                                    LB     Patrick McGrath
S    Kevin Donahue                                     S    Kevin Donahue
DT    James Muirhead                                   DT     O. Dickerson
DT    Alexander Torti                                    DT     Alexander Torti
DE    Jeffrey Touron                                     DE     Jeffrey Touron

While this is important, it is also important to know that the changes aren't necessarily because of graduation. Luks is starting for Silva because he was hurt this week. Jared Gauthier is a new starter at WR because he is a 1-AA transfer from the University of New Hampshire. Tevin Jones is starting over last years guy Clain because he is better, Clain just got beat out. That being said, I do not think they are as good as last year and if Silva doesn't come back they are in trouble in he first round if they are blessed with a bid.

It doesn't really matter why the players are different. The point is that they are, and that makes the team different. And even those players who are playing in both games are different. They may have gotten bigger, stronger, faster, improved their awareness. They may be worse. There are hundreds of things that can change from one year to the next, which makes comparing teams from year to year meaningless.

[lewdogg11]

To be honest, i'm kind of sick of all of the comments that the NEFC, MASCAC, ECFC, teams have 'closed the gap'.  Where is the evidence?  Playing a close game against Cortland last year?  If anything, some of the traditional powers from the LL, E8 and NJAC have gotten worse(RPI, Union, Springfield, Montclair, TCNJ, Hartwick), but in no way do I feel an NEFC, ECFC, or MASCAC team has a better chance now of winning a playoff game than they did 10 years ago.  All they've done is swap who the good team is from Curry to Framingham St.  Bridgewater, Endicott, and Salve are all decent teams, but there were decent teams back in Curry's hayday.  I still wouldn't expect them to win. 

Can one of these teams win in a playoff game?  Yes.  They always have had the opportunity, and they've had some close games, and even a couple of wins, but I wouldn't say their chances are any better now than they ever were.  Fact.

[AUKaz00]

Week 8 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Hobart( 5 )	6-0	50	1	at Union
2   Salisbury	5-2	45	2	at #9 Alfred
3   Ithaca	6-1	37	6	vs. Frostburg State
4   St. John Fisher	5-2	31	3	vs. Utica
5   Lebanon Valley	6-1	29	5	at #10 Delaware Valley
6   Widener	5-2	23	7	at Albright
7t  Lycoming	5-2	20	9	at King's
7t  Rowan	5-2	20	8	vs. Cortland State
9   Alfred	5-2	11	NR	vs. #2 Salisbury
10  Delaware Valley	5-2	9	4	vs. #5 Lebanon Valley

Dropped Out:
St. Lawrence


Also Receiving votes:               
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Hobart (1,1,1,1,1)
Salisbury (2,2,2,2,2)
Ithaca (3,3,3,6,3)
St. John Fisher (6,5,6,3,4)
Lebanon Valley (4,6,4,7,5)
Widener (5,4,5,8,10)
Lycoming (8,8,7,5,7)
Rowan (7,10,8,4,6)
Alfred (9,7,10,10,8)
Delaware Valley (10,9,9,9,9)


Key Matchups:
#2 Salisbury at #9 Alfred
#5 Lebanon Valley at #10 Delaware Valley

[Jonny Utah]

Framingham gave Cortland a pretty good run in last year's playoffs if I remember it right.

See the bold for why that statement is irrelevant on October 28, 2013:

Framingham Starters against Cortland in 2012   Framingham Starters last week

QB     Matthew Silva                                         QB     William Luks
WR    Philip Clain                                             WR     Jared Gauthier
WR    Alexander Avery                                     WR     Travis Hayes
WR    Tyrone Figueroa                                     WR     Tevin Jones
RB    Melikke Van Alstyne                                RB     Melikke Van Alstyne
C    Nicholas Stanfield                                   C     N. Stanfield
LG    Aaron Ferreira                                        RG     Aaron Ferreira
RG    Bryan DaSilva                                         LG     Bryan Dasilva               
RT    Joseph Masucci                                      RT     Patrick McDonald
LT    James Krebs                                          LT    James Krebs
FB    Randall Kelleher                                     FB     Aaron Owens
S     Chris Blydell                                           S     Matthew Mangano
DE    Chevere Archer                                      DE     Chevere Archer
LB    Michael Altavesta                                   LB     Michael Altavesta
CB    Tyrone Notice                                        CB     Lewis Bailey
CB    Ony Ramos                                           CB     Ony Ramos
LB    Samuel Hill                                           LB     Samuel Hill
LB    Patrick McGrath                                    LB     Patrick McGrath
S    Kevin Donahue                                     S    Kevin Donahue
DT    James Muirhead                                   DT     O. Dickerson
DT    Alexander Torti                                    DT     Alexander Torti
DE    Jeffrey Touron                                     DE     Jeffrey Touron

I was waiting for someone to break out the fact that Curry beat Hartwick and Ithaca back in 2007 and 2008 as reasons that Framingham should be ranked...but this covers it better...

They have a good portion of both their defense back and a good portion of the O-line and an All-American RB. I think with 8 guys on defense with playoff experience, I would consider that good enough.

Ah but I heard Silva (From LD's neck of the woods) got hurt two games ago and is questionable for the rest of the season?