East Region Fan Poll

[ECoastFootball]

First RR's.  I have a feeling this won't be very popular in these parts.

EAST

I would rank those same 10 teams like this:
1   Hobart   7-0   7-0
2   Ithaca   7-1   7-1
3   Lebanon Valley   7-1   7-1
4   Alfred   6-2   6-2
5   St. John Fisher   6-2   6-2
6   Rowan   6-2   6-2
7   Framingham State   7-1   7-1
8   Salve Regina   6-2   6-2
9   St. Lawrence   6-2   6-2
10   Gallaudet   8-0   8-0

[ExTartanPlayer]

What in the name of all that is holy..................
Dear lord.... Not popular?
Actually it was a fantastic laugh!
Ive lost faith in polls

Remember, this isn't a POLL, this is the NCAA's regional ranking.  Those are different things.

(re-posted so it's on the front of this page; these are the NCAA's first regional rankings, released today)

EAST
1   Hobart   7-0   7-0
2   Ithaca   7-1   7-1
3   Gallaudet   8-0   8-0
4   Rowan   6-2   6-2
5   Lebanon Valley   7-1   7-1
6   Framingham State   7-1   7-1
7   Alfred   6-2   6-2
8   St. John Fisher   6-2   6-2
9   Salve Regina   6-2   6-2
10   St. Lawrence   6-2   6-2

Also, the truth is that this probably matters less in the East than it does in any other region.  The East is by far the least likely region to get a Pool C bid (just based on the available teams that will be on the board - and any Pool C hopeful from the East really has to hope that Framingham gets a Pool B so they aren't clogging the top of the East's Pool C board).  Where it does matter is whether any of Hobart's opponents get regionally ranked at some point - they'll need some wins over RR's to have any chance of hosting a region.  As it stands, St. Lawrence will be their only one, methinks.  That's not their fault, but some of the West and North teams will have as many as four wins over RR's, meaning that there is not likely to be an East-centric region.

[fisheralum91]

Now that seems a bit more reasonable!
What were they thinking?
Good god!

[lewdogg11]

I think it makes perfect sense.

[fisheralum91]

Oops - Stand corrected Tartan....
Still a fricking joke

[fisheralum91]

Im not going to bash conferences as that has been done enough on other threads, but I will say.....really?
Framingham?  Gallaudet?
Wow....

[ExTartanPlayer]

Im not going to bash conferences as that has been done enough on other threads, but I will say.....really?
Framingham?  Gallaudet?
Wow....

Even I agree with this, and I generally defend these teams.  You have to remember how these rankings are compiled, though, and I won't go into detail discussing that here.  I generally agree with ECoastFootball's statement above.  Ranking an undefeated Gallaudet somewhere isn't the worst thing in the world; ranking them third is ridiculous.

[lewdogg11]

Im not going to bash conferences as that has been done enough on other threads, but I will say.....really?
Framingham?  Gallaudet?
Wow....

Hopefully when Gallaudet, Framingham, and Salve/Endicott make the playoffs, they will at least get paired w/ East teams, rather than potentially embarrassing the region elsewhere.

[Yanks 99]

First RR's.  I have a feeling this won't be very popular in these parts.

EAST
1   Hobart   7-0   7-0
2   Ithaca   7-1   7-1
3   Gallaudet   8-0   8-0
4   Rowan   6-2   6-2
5   Lebanon Valley   7-1   7-1
6   Framingham State   7-1   7-1
7   Alfred   6-2   6-2
8   St. John Fisher   6-2   6-2
9   Salve Regina   6-2   6-2
10   St. Lawrence   6-2   6-2

This is an absolute embarrassing RR poll...and shows that whoever is on this so called committee is doing nothing more than looking at the records.  Hey...where can I sign up...I can see that 8 wins is greater than 7 wins!!!

These guys should be fired.  Seriously...Gallaudet #3?  Framingham #6? 

Additionally, I have never took stock in these polls (though I guess we have to, if this is how the NCAA ties Pool B and C bids).  These are the same knuckleheads a few years back who had an undefeated Mount Union team ranked 3rd in the North Region heading into the last week of the regular season.  Ironically, and I will admit that I forget who the teams were exactly, but the #1 and #2 ranked teams of the North Region were playing each other in the final week of the season.  It what can only be some sort of realization about how stupid their ranking system was...MUC jumped the #1 team the following week in the final regular season poll, even though the #1 team had just beaten the region's #2 team.  I am not arguing that MUC should not have been #1 to begin with...they absolutely should have...but this type of nonsense shows you how piss poor these RR's are.

Hopefully Pat Coleman can straighten these idiots out at some point...

[fisheralum91]

just nuts!

[lewdogg11]

First RR's.  I have a feeling this won't be very popular in these parts.

EAST
1   Hobart   7-0   7-0
2   Ithaca   7-1   7-1
3   Gallaudet   8-0   8-0
4   Rowan   6-2   6-2
5   Lebanon Valley   7-1   7-1
6   Framingham State   7-1   7-1
7   Alfred   6-2   6-2
8   St. John Fisher   6-2   6-2
9   Salve Regina   6-2   6-2
10   St. Lawrence   6-2   6-2

This is an absolute embarrassing RR poll...and shows that whoever is on this so called committee is doing nothing more than looking at the records.  Hey...where can I sign up...I can see that 8 wins is greater than 7 wins!!!

These guys should be fired.  Seriously...Gallaudet #3?  Framingham #6? 

Additionally, I have never took stock in these polls (though I guess we have to, if this is how the NCAA ties Pool B and C bids).  These are the same knuckleheads a few years back who had an undefeated Mount Union team ranked 3rd in the North Region heading into the last week of the regular season.  Ironically, and I will admit that I forget who the teams were exactly, but the #1 and #2 ranked teams of the North Region were playing each other in the final week of the season.  It what can only be some sort of realization about how stupid their ranking system was...MUC jumped the #1 team the following week in the final regular season poll, even though the #1 team had just beaten the region's #2 team.  I am not arguing that MUC should not have been #1 to begin with...they absolutely should have...but this type of nonsense shows you how piss poor these RR's are.

Hopefully Pat Coleman can straighten these idiots out at some point...

I believe something like that happened to defending champ and undefeated UWW a year or 2 ago and they had to go on the road in the playoffs....

But if we're looking solely at records, why is Rowan where they are?  Why?  Because they recognize their name of course!!!

[ExTartanPlayer]

First RR's.  I have a feeling this won't be very popular in these parts.

EAST
1   Hobart   7-0   7-0
2   Ithaca   7-1   7-1
3   Gallaudet   8-0   8-0
4   Rowan   6-2   6-2
5   Lebanon Valley   7-1   7-1
6   Framingham State   7-1   7-1
7   Alfred   6-2   6-2
8   St. John Fisher   6-2   6-2
9   Salve Regina   6-2   6-2
10   St. Lawrence   6-2   6-2

This is an absolute embarrassing RR poll...and shows that whoever is on this so called committee is doing nothing more than looking at the records.  Hey...where can I sign up...I can see that 8 wins is greater than 7 wins!!!

These guys should be fired.  Seriously...Gallaudet #3?  Framingham #6? 

Additionally, I have never took stock in these polls (though I guess we have to, if this is how the NCAA ties Pool B and C bids).  These are the same knuckleheads a few years back who had an undefeated Mount Union team ranked 3rd in the North Region heading into the last week of the regular season.  Ironically, and I will admit that I forget who the teams were exactly, but the #1 and #2 ranked teams of the North Region were playing each other in the final week of the season.  It what can only be some sort of realization about how stupid their ranking system was...MUC jumped the #1 team the following week in the final regular season poll, even though the #1 team had just beaten the region's #2 team.  I am not arguing that MUC should not have been #1 to begin with...they absolutely should have...but this type of nonsense shows you how piss poor these RR's are.

Hopefully Pat Coleman can straighten these idiots out at some point...

I believe something like that happened to defending champ and undefeated UWW a year or 2 ago and they had to go on the road in the playoffs....

But if we're looking solely at records, why is Rowan where they are?  Why?  Because they recognize their name of course!!!

Yes, to be fair, if we're criticizing the committee for the overrankings of Gallaudet and Framingham, we should probably point out that Rowan is way too high as well (come to think of it, I think that Rowan's high ranking is part of the reason for Framingham's high ranking, since Framingham's only loss was a competitive one against Rowan; Framingham got sort of anchored to Rowan in the rankings).  How Rowan is ranked #4 with losses to two teams that aren't even IN the regional rankings is beyond me, especially when one of them is a 20-point loss to a 3-5 team.  I think Rowan got way too much credit for their win over Wesley (who is ranked #4 in the South, which is ALSO probably way too high) and that's why they're up at #4.  But I think Fisher got really screwed here, given that their two losses are much better than Rowan's two losses (three-point loss to regional #2 and one-touchdown loss to Salisbury, who may be 5-3 but is indisputably a better loss than a 20-point loss to Morrisville State) and they also have a 21-point win over South-regionally-ranked W & J to match with Rowan's win over Wesley.

*One other thing worth noting: if Endicott beats Salve in the season finale, it's possible they could sneak into the final rankings, which would be significant come Pool B/C discussion time because it would give Framingham a win over a RRO.

[fisheralum91]

*seething*

this stuff infuriates me.

I ask how can this happen...then bam it happens again....

[dlippiel]

Dlip has no idea what the **** you guys are all bitching about? Dlip's last ERFP ballot was exactly the same as this RR.

[sjfcards]

But I think Fisher got really screwed here, given that their two losses are much better than Rowan's two losses (three-point loss to regional #2 and one-touchdown loss to Salisbury, who may be 5-3 but is indisputably a better loss than a 20-point loss to Morrisville State) and they also have a 21-point win over South-regionally-ranked W & J to match with Rowan's win over Wesley.

This is the issue with using any type of ranking to select playoff teams. It just does not work. I totally agree that Fisher is a much more impressive 6-2 than Rowan, but Rowan has a name and a quality win. These are the types of debates that a group has to discuss in detail before putting someon in the playoffs. Fisher probably doesn't deserve to get in with 2 losses, but if any 2 loss team in the East had an argument to make I think they are it, but, my bias is as bad a someone not really looking at the teams involved so it is all murky...