East Region Fan Poll

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sjfcards

Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on September 21, 2016, 11:41:04 AM
I just can't ignore how badly Heidelberg smashed ONU.  The same Heidelberg that Cortland beat. 

Combine that with Utica barely escaping against M-State (who the jury is still out on) and I just have a sneaking suspicion that Cortland will win this one by about 17.

The only thing that makes me question if Cortland can beat UC is the QB situation. As I understand it Ferreira is out for the year with a broken ankle (really is a shame as it came on a late hit). Cortland looked pretty good against Fisher with the backup, but the offense completely changed when he went down to almost a wildcat type deal. Fisher struggled, but also probably hadn't prepared for that type of attack. Now that the scheme has been put on film (albeit a limited amount) Utica may be able to prepare.
GO FISHER!!!

D3MAFAN

Quote from: wesleydad on September 21, 2016, 11:52:38 AM
Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on September 21, 2016, 11:41:04 AM
I just can't ignore how badly Heidelberg smashed ONU.  The same Heidelberg that Cortland beat. 

Combine that with Utica barely escaping against M-State (who the jury is still out on) and I just have a sneaking suspicion that Cortland will win this one by about 17.

Me too.

Me three.  ;D

D3MAFAN

Quote from: sjfcards on September 21, 2016, 12:26:01 PM
Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on September 21, 2016, 11:41:04 AM
I just can't ignore how badly Heidelberg smashed ONU.  The same Heidelberg that Cortland beat. 

Combine that with Utica barely escaping against M-State (who the jury is still out on) and I just have a sneaking suspicion that Cortland will win this one by about 17.

The only thing that makes me question if Cortland can beat UC is the QB situation. As I understand it Ferreira is out for the year with a broken ankle (really is a shame as it came on a late hit). Cortland looked pretty good against Fisher with the backup, but the offense completely changed when he went down to almost a wildcat type deal. Fisher struggled, but also probably hadn't prepared for that type of attack. Now that the scheme has been put on film (albeit a limited amount) Utica may be able to prepare.

That reminds me of that second place E 8 team from 2011? That made the Elite 8.

Upstate

Quote from: sjfcards on September 21, 2016, 12:26:01 PM
Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on September 21, 2016, 11:41:04 AM
I just can't ignore how badly Heidelberg smashed ONU.  The same Heidelberg that Cortland beat. 

Combine that with Utica barely escaping against M-State (who the jury is still out on) and I just have a sneaking suspicion that Cortland will win this one by about 17.

The only thing that makes me question if Cortland can beat UC is the QB situation. As I understand it Ferreira is out for the year with a broken ankle (really is a shame as it came on a late hit). Cortland looked pretty good against Fisher with the backup, but the offense completely changed when he went down to almost a wildcat type deal. Fisher struggled, but also probably hadn't prepared for that type of attack. Now that the scheme has been put on film (albeit a limited amount) Utica may be able to prepare.

That's really unfortunate to hear about Cortland's QB.

Their offense definitely wasn't the same without him, although they weren't really doing a lot with him vs Fisher early on before he got hurt, but that Walker kid is dynamic on the ground.

They have enough weapons on that offense to make a run for at least a pool C spot, just have to hope that the defense starts to buckle down.

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HSCTiger74

Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on September 21, 2016, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 21, 2016, 11:52:38 AM
Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on September 21, 2016, 11:41:04 AM
I just can't ignore how badly Heidelberg smashed ONU.  The same Heidelberg that Cortland beat. 

Combine that with Utica barely escaping against M-State (who the jury is still out on) and I just have a sneaking suspicion that Cortland will win this one by about 17.

Me too.

Me three.  ;D

   Watched a lot of Bugs Bunny cartoons when you were a kid, did you?   ;)
TANSTAAFL

Bombers798891

Schneider was Cortland's QB in the 61-49 shootout over Framingham last season, so I think Cortland's still going to be potent on offense. It's also interesting to note that freshman QB DeAngelo Walker attempted 4 passes and ran 15 times. Could be a wrinkle.

But this was one of the reasons I was slightly down on Cortland this year. Last year, they got absolutely superb play from Ferreira. Prior to Linfield, he had a 67% completion rate, and a 26 TD/2 INT ratio. You just can't bank on that kind of production unless you're a UMU/Wesley/UMHB-type factory.

Three games in, Cortland seems to have some defensive problems, and they haven't found an answer at running back (yet). Any dropoff in QB play is going to hurt them, as we saw against Fisher, where they threw two late picks.

So, I wanted to ask, totally neutral and passing zero judgement because I am reading a box score:

Ferreira got hurt on a play in which a Fisher player was flagged for a late hit, and the same player was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct after the last interception. Did this game get chippy? What was Cortland's response to the player after the hit on Ferreira?

Upstate

No it wasn't chippy.

The player in question was trying to turn the corner when trying to sack Ferreira he was late getting there unfortunately and hit him low.

After the last int he took his helmet off on the field while celebrating.

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boobyhasgameyo

Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 22, 2016, 10:47:40 AM
Schneider was Cortland's QB in the 61-49 shootout over Framingham last season, so I think Cortland's still going to be potent on offense. It's also interesting to note that freshman QB DeAngelo Walker attempted 4 passes and ran 15 times. Could be a wrinkle.

But this was one of the reasons I was slightly down on Cortland this year. Last year, they got absolutely superb play from Ferreira. Prior to Linfield, he had a 67% completion rate, and a 26 TD/2 INT ratio. You just can't bank on that kind of production unless you're a UMU/Wesley/UMHB-type factory.

Three games in, Cortland seems to have some defensive problems, and they haven't found an answer at running back (yet). Any dropoff in QB play is going to hurt them, as we saw against Fisher, where they threw two late picks.

So, I wanted to ask, totally neutral and passing zero judgement because I am reading a box score:

Ferreira got hurt on a play in which a Fisher player was flagged for a late hit, and the same player was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct after the last interception. Did this game get chippy? What was Cortland's response to the player after the hit on Ferreira?

I agree with what you are saying going forward with the possibility of a drop in QB play being likely.  But I was at the game on Saturday.  They weren't as effective with Ferreira.  Once he went out they commmpletely changed their play calling and style of play offensively.  Fisher did not do an amazing job of adapting.  More of a serviceable job really. 

But now that the cat is out of the bag other teams will have time to prepare for the Walker factor.  So that advantage in theory should quickly dissipate. 

Bombers798891

Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on September 22, 2016, 12:29:39 PM

I agree with what you are saying going forward with the possibility of a drop in QB play being likely.  But I was at the game on Saturday.  They weren't as effective with Ferreira.  Once he went out they commmpletely changed their play calling and style of play offensively.  Fisher did not do an amazing job of adapting.  More of a serviceable job really. 

But now that the cat is out of the bag other teams will have time to prepare for the Walker factor.  So that advantage in theory should quickly dissipate.

Yeah. I'm always sort of sympathetic to both an offense and defense when that happens. You spend all week preparing with/for one QB, and now you have to go with something else.

sjfcards

Quote from: Upstate on September 22, 2016, 11:44:09 AM
No it wasn't chippy.

The player in question was trying to turn the corner when trying to sack Ferreira he was late getting there unfortunately and hit him low.

After the last int he took his helmet off on the field while celebrating.

I was also at the game (sorry I missed you booby) and I didn't think it was chippy either. The Fisher hit, while late, was a split second late. I didn't think it was out of frustration or anything, but it was late. Unfortunate that it ended up really costing Ferreira. As Booby said, Cortland was struggling to move the ball against Fisher before he went out. I actually thought they were more dangerous with the back up, but I think a lot of that was lack of preparation.

The only other play that could be considered 'chippy' was the chop block on Fusco, as the player chopped him while he was engaged with another player, but even that appeared (to me anyway) to be someone trying to make a play rather than trying to hurt someone.

GO FISHER!!!

shaggy

I was also at the Cort/Fisher game and really believe if Ferreira doesn't go out Cortland wins...he's a threat to run or pass where Schneider is strictly a passer Walker was very good when he was in but not a passer..tough to defend Ferreira

fisheralum91

With all due respect- It sure didnt look that way to me.
He wasnt lighting up Fisher by any means.
Look- Im sorry he went down- that sucks - but to say that Cortland would have won the game if...
Im not buying it.

Upstate

Quote from: shaggy on September 22, 2016, 04:12:43 PM
I was also at the Cort/Fisher game and really believe if Ferreira doesn't go out Cortland wins...he's a threat to run or pass where Schneider is strictly a passer Walker was very good when he was in but not a passer..tough to defend Ferreira

Ferreira is a great QB, no doubt about that. However...

First drive:
4 plays, 3 yards (punt)

Second drive (on Fisher's 11 yd line after a muffed punt):
5 plays, -1 yard (FG)

Third drive:
9 plays, 37 yards (punt)

Fourth drive: (injured on the 10th play)
12 plays, 75 yards (TD)

It's not like Fisher's defense wasn't prepared for him. Fisher got beat on one big play by their back up but other than that they kept Cortland in check and didn't allow them to get into a rhythm like they were all last year
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shaggy

I know how game began.. didn't look good ....but because it started a little sketchy doesn't mean that's the way it was going to finish...Ferreira is a difference maker no matter how game started they lost by 7 and looked really bad ...  Fisher played well enough to win...that's the all that counts..

Upstate

If Fisher doesn't lose their starting RB do they win by more than 7?

We can play this game all day.
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