East Region Fan Poll

[Jonny Utah]

These are all excellent points, but let's talk Ithaca.  They have one signature win, Alfred.  At what point does the "good loss" argument start losing its leverage?  In my opinion, good losses to Brockport and RPI have to be supported by at least 2 signature wins.  If they beat Union next week, I could see a top 10 ranking, but will they advance past Alfred (even if Alfred has a "good loss" to Brockport)? Finally, what about Cortland?  4-1, with a "good loss" to Alfred.  I guess it will take until they have a good loss to Brockport to crack the top 10, since their next 3 games are against the weakest teams in the E8.  Good discussion

There really aren't any signature wins this year in the east except for Frostburg over Wesley.  After Brockport, Wesley and Frostburg, there are a bunch of ok to good teams that can all probably beat one another.  The only thing that separates Ithaca is that they kept Brockport to a low score (in a game that Brockport was clearly better) and Brockport hasn't been close with anyone else.  Ithaca was not clearly better than Alfred or SJF, and RPI isn't clearly better than Ithaca.  RPIs offense didn't do much against Ithaca either (9 first downs and 160 yards of total offense)  But Ithaca can't score which can negate anything their defense does.  They are the Anti-Boltus team of 2018 and you can rank them at 5, or you can rank them at 20.  They are probably somewhere in the middle.

[Ice Bear]

Let's be ****ing clear that Dutch Boy doesn't think anyone was doing a poor job...time to creatively ERFP!

[Bartman]

What is the most impressive win by a NE team this season?

Dutch Boy totally agrees that West Conn and MIT really aren't worthy at this time, even considering the Endicott chain of events. If anything the Endicott win over Hobart and then their loss to whomever the **** actually proves that Hobart win wouldn't be repeated if the teams played again. 7/8 out of 10 times Hobart wins that game. Especially after a reconfigured defense and impressive performance against a still unknown team in Union.

Endicott over Hobart.  Hands down.(Really?)

Sung to Maid of Amsterdam(or is it Troy?)  https://youtu.be/b2JO-i2aPs8

Insert Revised Refrain: "I'll go no more a trolling with you Fair Mach"

[wesleydad]

And again, if this were Framingham, or even Husson at this point, i'd be ok with it. But when is the last time WConn or MIT beat anyone? I know WConn beat a 3-7 Hartwick last year by 1 which is super impressive and MIT only lost to a powerhouse playoff Springfield team by 36 last year, but come on!

Back in the day, Curry eventually earned their respect. Framingham has also earned some respect. And(I guess) Husson over the past few years. I need to see some consistency out of New England teams(or BIG wins of which there are ZERO) in order to take them a little seriously and think they can crack a top 10 poll.

I'm still baffled about the '4 teams from a conference' comment. If there are 4 teams(or more) from a conference, better than top teams from other conferences, then they are BETTER! There's no over/under on the # of good teams from a particular conference.

Don't be baffled, it is how I look at things.  You like to be a contrarian so have at it. Or you could send me your top 10 and I can include it.  Easy to sit back and judge, put yours out there.  This all plays out in the end. The cream will rise to the top, but don't give me Hobart as your poster child when they lost to Endicott. Sort of kills the argument.

[Machiavelli]

Hobart is definitely not my poster child, not even close, but who has anyone in New England beat, more historically prominent than Hobart? If someone came on here and was like 'Look, I put MIT there because they beat Endicott, who beat Hobart, who beat Union. That is why I have them above Union.' Fine! At least you have some legs. But let's travel down the WConn hole of worms:

Week 1: Beat Dean, who has beaten Becker and Alfred State.
Week 2: Beat Plymouth, who has beaten Castleton and WooSt.
Week 3: Beat Salve, who has beaten WooSt, Dean, and Becker.
Week 4: Beat UMD, who beat Alfred St, Westfield St, and Plymouth St.
Week 5: Beat WooSt, who has beaten Becker and Fitchburg St.

Rochester might be 5-0 with that schedule. And I'm not even joking there!

Call me contrarian. Call me spot on. Call me a f*cking evil genius. I don't care what you call me, but you can't call me wrong.

But you are right, this will all play out in the end. WConn will play MIT in the playoffs and lose by 30. MIT will play Wesley and lose by 40. Wesley will play Brockport and lose by 20. Brockport will play Mt. Union and lose by 30. And none of us are any the wiser. Then next year, Worcester St or Plymouth St.  will be getting ERFP votes when they start the season 3-0.

[Caz Bombers]

if we're not going to include the NESCAC (and we might as well keep on not), then there aren't ten good teams in the East to rank.

Hell, there might not even be five.

[wesleydad]

if we're not going to include the NESCAC (and we might as well keep on not), then there aren't ten good teams in the East to rank.

Hell, there might not even be five.

Which is why I have no issue with MIT or W Conn on the list.

[Ice Bear]

   Total   
1   50   Brockport
2   45   Frostburg
3   38   Wesley
4   36   RPI
5   29   Salisbury
6   24   Del Val
7   20   Alfred
8   11   Ithaca
9   10   Montclair
T10   5   MIT
T10   5   W Conn
      
orv   4   Union

Vote Breakdown               

Brockport   1   1   1   1   1
Frostburg   2   2   2   2   2
Wesley   3   3   3   5   3
RPI       4   4   4   3   4
Salisbury   5   5   5   4   7
Del Val   6   7   7   6   5
Alfred   7   6   6   7   9
Ithaca   x   x   8   9   6
Montclair   9   8   9   x   8
MIT      8   10   x   x   10
W Conn   10   9   x   10   x
               
Union   x   x   10   8   x

Key East Region Games this week      
      
9 Montclair St v 5 Salisbury      
1 Brockport v 7 Alfred      
Lyco v 6 Del Val      
8 Ithaca v orv Union      
Merchant Marine v Springfield

Voters         
Wesleydad, The Osprey, Rams 1102, UfanBill, MANDGSU

Dutch Boy will throw out his top ten for this week in order to expose him to the same critique that the other posters have faced thus far. Only fair with fun and love of D3 ****ing football.

1.) Brockport
2.) Frostburg
3.) Wesley
4.) RPI
5.) Salisbury
6.) Ithaca
7.) Alfred
8.) Cortland
9.) Montclair
10.) Delaware Valley

Teams to keep an eye on: Utica, Hobart, Union, MIT

[Ice Bear]

if we're not going to include the NESCAC (and we might as well keep on not), then there aren't ten good teams in the East to rank.

Hell, there might not even be five.

Which is why I have no issue with MIT or W Conn on the list.

Dutch Boy understands your thinking fellas but the top 10/15 are still there for the picking even if they aren't all that good. Dutch Boy will concede (a tiny bit) to MIT as he feels they are worth an eye but he still thinks, yes even with Endicott's w, that Hobart was in disarray during that loss and was not the team on both sides of the ball that they were against Union last week. Could he be wrong? Sure but aside from the Endicott win there is zero evidence to support a two team NE contingent in the poll this week.

That's why we do this though, do talk about it.

[Machiavelli]

if we're not going to include the NESCAC (and we might as well keep on not), then there aren't ten good teams in the East to rank.

Hell, there might not even be five.

I know this was likely, at least partially, tongue in cheek. We all know the East hasn't had a 'top tier' consistent team since the 90's Rowan teams. I think Wesley has taken a step back(a small step) since joining the NJAC. Brockport MIGHT be close now(but for how long?)  But realistically, we just haven't had one in forever.

However, I'm a firm believer that the East is MUCH more competitive and deep as a whole than every other region. Our mid-tier teams(your 6-12 or whatever) would do just fine in most other conferences across the country. Probably finish in the top 3rd of them. Everyone thinks the OAC is so great because of Mt Union, but most non-Mount teams would be mediocre at best in the LL, E8, NJAC and MAC. ‪

In summary, don't smoke crack.

[Bartman]

if we're not going to include the NESCAC (and we might as well keep on not), then there aren't ten good teams in the East to rank.

Hell, there might not even be five.

I know this was likely, at least partially, tongue in cheek. We all know the East hasn't had a 'top tier' consistent team since the 90's Rowan teams. I think Wesley has taken a step back(a small step) since joining the NJAC. Brockport MIGHT be close now(but for how long?)  But realistically, we just haven't had one in forever.

However, I'm a firm believer that the East is MUCH more competitive and deep as a whole than every other region. Our mid-tier teams(your 6-12 or whatever) would do just fine in most other conferences across the country. Probably finish in the top 3rd of them. Everyone thinks the OAC is so great because of Mt Union, but most non-Mount teams would be mediocre at best in the LL, E8, NJAC and MAC. ‪

In summary, don't smoke crack.

This , I believe  to be true....in the East, the drop-off from BPort,Frosty and  Westy to the rest of the good teams is not as steep as the rest of the country....but it is still a drop . The only seriously competitive team in NE is the Red Sox

[Jonny Utah]

if we're not going to include the NESCAC (and we might as well keep on not), then there aren't ten good teams in the East to rank.

Hell, there might not even be five.

I know this was likely, at least partially, tongue in cheek. We all know the East hasn't had a 'top tier' consistent team since the 90's Rowan teams. I think Wesley has taken a step back(a small step) since joining the NJAC. Brockport MIGHT be close now(but for how long?)  But realistically, we just haven't had one in forever.

However, I'm a firm believer that the East is MUCH more competitive and deep as a whole than every other region. Our mid-tier teams(your 6-12 or whatever) would do just fine in most other conferences across the country. Probably finish in the top 3rd of them. Everyone thinks the OAC is so great because of Mt Union, but most non-Mount teams would be mediocre at best in the LL, E8, NJAC and MAC. ‪

In summary, don't smoke crack.

Hell, here is my top 10 in the full spirit of the fan poll page.

0. Williams
1. Brockport
2. Frostburg
3. Wesley
4. Salisbury
5. Mt. Ida
6. RPI
7. Del Val
8. Cortland
9. Jersey City State
10. Montclair
11. Union
12. Ithaca


In all seriousness, maybe it should be a rule that the top NE team has to be ranked #0 until week 7.  Then you are allowed to put them in the top 10.

[D3viewer]

if we're not going to include the NESCAC (and we might as well keep on not), then there aren't ten good teams in the East to rank.

Hell, there might not even be five.

I know this was likely, at least partially, tongue in cheek. We all know the East hasn't had a 'top tier' consistent team since the 90's Rowan teams. I think Wesley has taken a step back(a small step) since joining the NJAC. Brockport MIGHT be close now(but for how long?)  But realistically, we just haven't had one in forever.

However, I'm a firm believer that the East is MUCH more competitive and deep as a whole than every other region. Our mid-tier teams(your 6-12 or whatever) would do just fine in most other conferences across the country. Probably finish in the top 3rd of them. Everyone thinks the OAC is so great because of Mt Union, but most non-Mount teams would be mediocre at best in the LL, E8, NJAC and MAC. ‪

In summary, don't smoke crack.

Hell, here is my top 10 in the full spirit of the fan poll page.

0. Williams
1. Brockport
2. Frostburg
3. Wesley
4. Salisbury
5. Mt. Ida
6. RPI
7. Del Val
8. Cortland
9. Jersey City State
10. Montclair
11. Union
12. Ithaca


In all seriousness, maybe it should be a rule that the top NE team has to be ranked #0 until week 7.  Then you are allowed to put them in the top 10.

Nice list. I would add Ramapo to it as well.

[Ice Bear]

if we're not going to include the NESCAC (and we might as well keep on not), then there aren't ten good teams in the East to rank.

Hell, there might not even be five.

I know this was likely, at least partially, tongue in cheek. We all know the East hasn't had a 'top tier' consistent team since the 90's Rowan teams. I think Wesley has taken a step back(a small step) since joining the NJAC. Brockport MIGHT be close now(but for how long?)  But realistically, we just haven't had one in forever.

However, I'm a firm believer that the East is MUCH more competitive and deep as a whole than every other region. Our mid-tier teams(your 6-12 or whatever) would do just fine in most other conferences across the country. Probably finish in the top 3rd of them. Everyone thinks the OAC is so great because of Mt Union, but most non-Mount teams would be mediocre at best in the LL, E8, NJAC and MAC. ‪

In summary, don't smoke crack.

Hell, here is my top 10 in the full spirit of the fan poll page.

0. Williams
1. Brockport
2. Frostburg
3. Wesley
4. Salisbury
5. Mt. Ida
6. RPI
7. Del Val
8. Cortland
9. Jersey City State
10. Montclair
11. Union
12. Ithaca


In all seriousness, maybe it should be a rule that the top NE team has to be ranked #0 until week 7.  Then you are allowed to put them in the top 10.

Perfect!

[Machiavelli]

I can't top Utah's perfection when it comes to the ERFP, but here's my, more serious, take for the current landscape, even throwing in some extras:

1. Brocky
2. Frosty
3. Wesley
4. RPI
5. DVC
6. Salisbury
7. Ithaca
8. Alfred
9. Cortland
10. Montclair
11. Hobart
12. Union
13. Christopher Newport
14. Framingham St.
15. MIT