East Region Fan Poll

[met_fan]

I don't know about that -- I think the NESCAC winner would go better than .500 in the first round in the East bracket. Unless that winner is 6-2 and sent to Mount Union.

Prove it...

Can't, clearly. Nor can anyone prove otherwise. But an unbeaten NESCAC team getting one of the top three seeds can't possibly win one playoff game more often than it loses in the first round?

But it's easier to go unbeaten when you only play 8 games and don't go out of conference.  Would that be taken into consideration during the seeding process?

[dlippiel]

I don't know about that -- I think the NESCAC winner would go better than .500 in the first round in the East bracket. Unless that winner is 6-2 and sent to Mount Union.

Prove it...

Can't, clearly. Nor can anyone prove otherwise. But an unbeaten NESCAC team getting one of the top three seeds can't possibly win one playoff game more often than it loses in the first round?

But it's easier to go unbeaten when you only play 8 games and don't go out of conference.  Would that be taken into consideration during the seeding process?

Good question met fan and decent point as well. To me, I feel that the top NESCAC teams would be competitive in the east region playoffs and fare quite well in the LL and E8...BUT...until the conference allows (which most likely will not happen) teams to play OOC and participate in the NCAA's the entire argument is moot. I feel that teams from the NESCAC don't deserve any consideration in polls and even discussions (at the end of the season) about where they may have ended up if they participated. I understand and respect the student athletes (in the conference) who battle each day, who believe they are as good or better than other teams from other conferences, and by nature want to be the best. Unfortunately they chose to attend a school in a conference that I believe feels it is academically and even artistocatically better than any other in the nation. When I look at schools like Union, RPI, MIT, and many many others outside the NESCAC it is obvious that the idea is bull****. I respect the fact that the conference has the right to alienate itself and stay seperate from all others, yet if you chose to play at a NESCAC school don't complain about any lack of national consideration in any polls. Don't complain when fans don't believe you would fare well against OOC schools. Don't complain period. If one is frustrated with the isolationism of the conference then either transfer or take it up with your schools administration (good luck!). This discussion is similar to one we had a few years back right up through last season regarding the ability of the top NEFC teams to compete with LL, E8, NJAC teams because of their lack of OOC scheduling and o-for record in the NCAAS. Obviously that has changed because Curry won both of its first round NCAA games the past two years, hence many of us learned just how good top NEFC teams are in regards to other east region conferences. This will NEVER happen with the NESCAC because they NEVER will play anyone OOC.

[Pat Coleman]

I don't know about that -- I think the NESCAC winner would go better than .500 in the first round in the East bracket. Unless that winner is 6-2 and sent to Mount Union.

Prove it...

Can't, clearly. Nor can anyone prove otherwise. But an unbeaten NESCAC team getting one of the top three seeds can't possibly win one playoff game more often than it loses in the first round?

But it's easier to go unbeaten when you only play 8 games and don't go out of conference.  Would that be taken into consideration during the seeding process?

I am sure they would not be the top seed above another unbeaten team, but looking at how the committee treated Curry last year suggests that right now the East bracket is winning percentage based.

[lewdogg11]

Why is the NESCAC even D3 in football?  Why don't they just create their own NESCAC division?  Then in the NESCAC national polls, Trinity can be #1, and Williams #2, etc etc...

I thought that it was science.

[Jonny Utah]

dlippiel,

trust me when I say that nescac people do not care one bit about national polls or division 3 football in general.  They simply use ncaa rules, refs, guidelines etc. 

[dlippiel]

Why is the NESCAC even D3 in football?  Why don't they just create their own NESCAC division?  Then in the NESCAC national polls, Trinity can be #1, and Williams #2, etc etc...

I thought that it was science.

Maybe lew because during a spot of tea and crumpits the NCAA told NESCAC that they don't deserve their own division simply because they believe they are superior to everyone else on the planet.

[Trin9-0]

Why is there so much hate on the NESCAC?
I can't seem to find all of the NESCAC supporters complaining about national rankings. We have our rules and you have yours. End of story.

Not all NESCAC players/coaches/fans agree with the 8 game schedule. In fact, I would venture that most are opposed to it.

I happen to agree with K-Mac, and Pat Coleman that the quality of football among the top NESCAC schools is on par with most of the East region. Unfortunately, I must also agree that there's no way to prove it without OOC play.

[AUPepBand]

Pep remembers Alfred played Hamilton in 1970 and 1971 and probably more times before that...and Pep saw Hobart play at Hamilton when Pep was a student at then football-less Morrisville State College in 1974 or 1975. But Hamilton will never play any Upstate NY teams so long as the NESCAC holds to its exclusivity and its 8-game rule. Heck, NESCAC teams can't even play all its conference foes.

When kids want to play with the neighbors, but the neighbors' parents forbid their offspring to associate with the youngsters, a certain degree of resentment is apt to develop. As has been argued already, were the NESCAC consistent in its convictions across the board, it would be less offensive. But the NESCAC policies in baseball and basketball contradict its policy for football.

[pumkinattack]

That's a great analogy.

We actually play (or at least used to) a JV game against Hamilton (although I think it was their starters).  Hamilton isn't very committed to football to say the least.  Nice campus though.

[Knightstalker]

So when do you want preseason ballots or should we wait until the season starts?

[labart96]

So when do you want preseason ballots or should we wait until the season starts?

TGP (assuming TGP is still the "Hobart rep" unless PA wants it) votes for Sunday, Sept 13 be the first poll deadline.  Let's wait until teams either start out 1-0 or 0-1 before we start ranking them.

[pumkinattack]

Its all you.  I'm probably not even getting to one game this year (unless they get past the second round of the playoffs for the first time).

[dlippiel]

So when do you want preseason ballots or should we wait until the season starts?

TGP (assuming TGP is still the "Hobart rep" unless PA wants it) votes for Sunday, Sept 13 be the first poll deadline.  Let's wait until teams either start out 1-0 or 0-1 before we start ranking them.

dlippiel concurrs with TGP thinking that Sept 13th will be a decent poll deadline. Yet dlippiel is also new at this so if others feel differently dlippiel is down for whateva!

[pg04]

So when do you want preseason ballots or should we wait until the season starts?

TGP (assuming TGP is still the "Hobart rep" unless PA wants it) votes for Sunday, Sept 13 be the first poll deadline.  Let's wait until teams either start out 1-0 or 0-1 before we start ranking them.

I agree with this.  I think it's tremendously hard to rank the east in the preseason... especially this year.  Chances are there could be a dramatic change in the rankings even after one game.  However, I am still open to cases for having a preseason poll if anyone can make one.   Sorry for the delayed response... For some reason I didn't see this post

[pg04]

As of Right now, I have the following interest:

dlippiel -- Union
Knightstalker -- no affiliation
AuKaz00 -- Alfred
PG04 -- Brockport
TGP -- Hobart

Is there any other interest (or did I forget someone)?  I'd like to have 10 again if possible.  If not, we'll have to go with less.