East Region Fan Poll

[HSCTiger74]

Just sayin'....

Interested that in reviewing the preseason prognistications of the Lindy's, Sporting News et.al, that the East Preseason poll has the 10th ranked team in the country (in one poll) tied for 9th in their regional poll.

That would be Curry... Not sure if any of the "experts" really understand what they have coming back (or not) but while I do respect their program and what they have accomplished, 10th nationally seems a bit unrealistic.  They will end up with a respectable if not spotless NEFC record but I'm not sure they would be quite as appealing with a regular season schedule in the NJAC or E8..

10th in the nation?

Maybe it's some of the same "experts" who ranked Hampden-Sydney preseason #1 for SI a few years ago. Even loyal alums like me didn't drink that Kool-Aid.

[boobyhasgameyo]

I meant it seriously.  I thought Montclair returned a lot, but Cortland lost a lot and got a little too much credit for beating up two NEFC teams (irrespective of Curry's win inthe playoffs since Ithaca beat Cortland the week before by three touchdowns) and losing a pretty similar game as Hobart  to Mt. Union notwithstanding what should have been a superior and healthier offense. With Fisher, they finished 6-4 against a tough schedule, but had some pretty uninspiring wins against Utica and Husson at the end of the season (someone here will make the argument that they meant less at that point, but its the end of the season, if you're going to throw stinker wins in you do it earlier on in the season and improve towards the end). 

I really don't know the personnel of Fisher and NJAC schools, which is why I was asking from people who were informed, but not homers.  That being said, based on the last five years and the fact that they had a winning record against a reasonably tough schedule, I would still include Fisher, but why would they be ahead of DelVal, Lyco, RPI or Rowan is kind of what I was getting at. 

Nothing for nothing PA but if you are going to count Husson as one of their uninspired wins last season than their record was 7-4 not 6-4.  For some reason the 7-4 record just seems so much better to me.  Personally I don't think Fisher will have a great year this year....Maybe they will prove me wrong but I can see this year being quite similar to last year in terms of record and those "close but no cigar" type losses...maybe with 1 statement win at Salisbury this year in place of the statement win of dismantling Ithaca last year. 

With that being said, I hope Fisher can put up a show the first week against Mount Union.  I remember last year, and while Fisher lost by 30 that was still the 2nd best point differential against Mount Union in the regular season (Otterbein lost to them by 29)...Fisher moved the ball on them but I swear once you get inside their 25 yard line or so that defense decides they've had enough and they just shut you down.  If we can find ways to break through and if our QB doesn't fumble snaps like he did a few times against them last year....Not calling the upset but I think we could make a decent game of it.   

[theoriginalupstate]

I meant it seriously.  I thought Montclair returned a lot, but Cortland lost a lot and got a little too much credit for beating up two NEFC teams (irrespective of Curry's win inthe playoffs since Ithaca beat Cortland the week before by three touchdowns) and losing a pretty similar game as Hobart  to Mt. Union notwithstanding what should have been a superior and healthier offense. With Fisher, they finished 6-4 against a tough schedule, but had some pretty uninspiring wins against Utica and Husson at the end of the season (someone here will make the argument that they meant less at that point, but its the end of the season, if you're going to throw stinker wins in you do it earlier on in the season and improve towards the end). 

I really don't know the personnel of Fisher and NJAC schools, which is why I was asking from people who were informed, but not homers.  That being said, based on the last five years and the fact that they had a winning record against a reasonably tough schedule, I would still include Fisher, but why would they be ahead of DelVal, Lyco, RPI or Rowan is kind of what I was getting at. 

Nothing for nothing PA but if you are going to count Husson as one of their uninspired wins last season than their record was 7-4 not 6-4.  For some reason the 7-4 record just seems so much better to me.  Personally I don't think Fisher will have a great year this year....Maybe they will prove me wrong but I can see this year being quite similar to last year in terms of record and those "close but no cigar" type losses...maybe with 1 statement win at Salisbury this year in place of the statement win of dismantling Ithaca last year. 

With that being said, I hope Fisher can put up a show the first week against Mount Union.  I remember last year, and while Fisher lost by 30 that was still the 2nd best point differential against Mount Union in the regular season (Otterbein lost to them by 29)...Fisher moved the ball on them but I swear once you get inside their 25 yard line or so that defense decides they've had enough and they just shut you down.  If we can find ways to break through and if our QB doesn't fumble snaps like he did a few times against them last year....Not calling the upset but I think we could make a decent game of it.   

If Bailey doesn't throw a pick six with under 2:00 to play in the half it would have been 7-0 MUC at the Half...

That killed the team and they never recovered...

If Bailey and Carlton don't turn the ball over it will be a game until the 4th QTR...

['gro]

Just sayin'....

Interested that in reviewing the preseason prognistications of the Lindy's, Sporting News et.al, that the East Preseason poll has the 10th ranked team in the country (in one poll) tied for 9th in their regional poll.

That would be Curry... Not sure if any of the "experts" really understand what they have coming back (or not) but while I do respect their program and what they have accomplished, 10th nationally seems a bit unrealistic.  They will end up with a respectable if not spotless NEFC record but I'm not sure they would be quite as appealing with a regular season schedule in the NJAC or E8..

10th in the nation?

Stop it....are you ****ting me stim? 10th in the nation? Oh boy here we go. Give the purple drank a little love and now everything is getting out of control. Respect their program: yes 10th in the nation: no

I'm guessing here's how a national columnist from outside D3 land fills out their poll:

Checks playoff results from last year
Checks win/loss from last year
googles D3football, finds this site, checks out team pages

In Curry's case sees that they are consistantly a 1-2 loss team and rolls their conference year in and out
Maybe finds a season preview that has the # of returning players

boo bam, Purple Drank #10

[labart96]

Any insights from the Cortland followers as to why folks would indicate Cortland has "lost a lot" and yet ends up as the #10 team in the preseason D3 poll?

TGP admits he assumed that if Pat/Keith thought they were deserving of the top 10 nationally (and in effect, the highest ranking in the east), they merited equal consideration for #1 in the East fan poll.

[pg04]

Any insights from the Cortland followers as to why folks would indicate Cortland has "lost a lot" and yet ends up as the #10 team in the preseason D3 poll?

TGP admits he assumed that if Pat/Keith thought they were deserving of the top 10 nationally (and in effect, the highest ranking in the east), they merited equal consideration for #1 in the East fan poll.

I agree TGP, this is one of the weighting factors of putting them at number 3 for me.  We shall see though, It is just a preseason poll, after all. 

[Pat Coleman]

Any insights from the Cortland followers as to why folks would indicate Cortland has "lost a lot" and yet ends up as the #10 team in the preseason D3 poll?

TGP admits he assumed that if Pat/Keith thought they were deserving of the top 10 nationally (and in effect, the highest ranking in the east), they merited equal consideration for #1 in the East fan poll.

I wouldn't assume that's where Keith and I had them on our ballots. There are 23 other voters.

HSC: That was Touchdown Illustrated, not Sports Illustrated.
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2004-09-08/Saturday+was+not+Witt%27s+end

[HSCTiger74]

Any insights from the Cortland followers as to why folks would indicate Cortland has "lost a lot" and yet ends up as the #10 team in the preseason D3 poll?

TGP admits he assumed that if Pat/Keith thought they were deserving of the top 10 nationally (and in effect, the highest ranking in the east), they merited equal consideration for #1 in the East fan poll.

I wouldn't assume that's where Keith and I had them on our ballots. There are 23 other voters.

HSC: That was Touchdown Illustrated, not Sports Illustrated.
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2004-09-08/Saturday+was+not+Witt%27s+end

My bad.   

[labart96]

Any insights from the Cortland followers as to why folks would indicate Cortland has "lost a lot" and yet ends up as the #10 team in the preseason D3 poll?

TGP admits he assumed that if Pat/Keith thought they were deserving of the top 10 nationally (and in effect, the highest ranking in the east), they merited equal consideration for #1 in the East fan poll.

I wouldn't assume that's where Keith and I had them on our ballots. There are 23 other voters.

HSC: That was Touchdown Illustrated, not Sports Illustrated.
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2004-09-08/Saturday+was+not+Witt%27s+end

Fair point but what I was implying is that I'd take the D3FB.com pollsters view over any other publications.

[AUKaz00]

Wow, the fan poll is movin on up! I have no problem with that, as long as the audience will know that we are indeed "fans" and alums of east region schools and not necessarily media.  However, I think we are more knowledgeable than most polls out there that don't even pay attention to D3 but make an attempt at forming a top 25.   

Pep will take that to mean it's okay. The title itself reveals the source as a "Fan" Poll. Pep certainly agrees that the East Region fans who are regular posters on D3football.com DO have a better grasp on the world of D3 football than media folks who don't necessarily follow the "little guys."

Now...about the newspapers subscription campaign...   

Sorry, I never actually gave my approval in the e-mail... I babbled on and on... Yes indeed you can use it.  The preseason one should be interesting to start off with.  I think there are at LEAST 4 teams you could slot in at number 1. 

This week's Alfred Sun arrived today and I immediately opened it to the middle only to be disappointed when the East Region Fan Poll was not there.  I flipped through every page twice looking for it elsewhere before resigning myself to its exclusion and began reading the news of the week...

[AUPepBand]

Wow, the fan poll is movin on up! I have no problem with that, as long as the audience will know that we are indeed "fans" and alums of east region schools and not necessarily media.  However, I think we are more knowledgeable than most polls out there that don't even pay attention to D3 but make an attempt at forming a top 25.   

Pep will take that to mean it's okay. The title itself reveals the source as a "Fan" Poll. Pep certainly agrees that the East Region fans who are regular posters on D3football.com DO have a better grasp on the world of D3 football than media folks who don't necessarily follow the "little guys."

Now...about the newspapers subscription campaign...   

Sorry, I never actually gave my approval in the e-mail... I babbled on and on... Yes indeed you can use it.  The preseason one should be interesting to start off with.  I think there are at LEAST 4 teams you could slot in at number 1. 

This week's Alfred Sun arrived today and I immediately opened it to the middle only to be disappointed when the East Region Fan Poll was not there.  I flipped through every page twice looking for it elsewhere before resigning myself to its exclusion and began reading the news of the week...

Kaz00: The East Region Fan Poll will be included as a feature of the Pigskin Picks spread, which is scheduled to begin with the August 27 issue.

[Boxer7806]

Curry in the top ten is a bit unrealistic... I had them as the ninth best team in the east and I'm a NEFC poster... I had Alfred at number 1 on my poll based on what I have heard about from this running back who is coming back. If he is 100 percent I think Alfred will be tough to beat especially in a wide open conference this year. The past three years Alfred has always been solid but just a 1/2 step below the other top dogs in the East, but they seem to be on equal footing with them now and i think this running back will put them over the top

[dlippiel]

Curry in the top ten is a bit unrealistic...

With the Preseason poll dlippiel feels that much of the criteria used (not all but much) is the performance of a team from the previous season/seasons. Hence the purple drank with their dominating of the NEFC the past six/seven seasons as well as their winning NCAA games in each of the past two seasons the drank has earned, for now, some preseason east region poll love. He believes that for now they belong in the top ten. For two years now we have been hammering them saying they don't belong. It's about time they get a little respect based upon performance and talent.

[pg04]

By the way 3rd person talk is not necessary here...

[Findtheball]

By the way 3rd person talk is not necessary here...

amen