East Region Fan Poll

[SJFF82]

Funny how 2 Pollsters can have Union unranked and have Ithaca at #3 & #6. 

Anyone care to explain that rationale??

maybe they think that Union is not a top ten team and IC is.

If Union is that poor of a team, Ithaca should not be a #3 after losing to them.....correct??

You dont have to be a team, undeserving of a high rank, to lose to a decent, non-top 10 team, on the road in a last second game do you??

If SJF had beaten MUC, does MUC drop all that far in the rankings?

[SJFF82]

couple quick thoughts for now:

Hobart:  dropping all the way out over a seemingly bad loss is a bit of stretch.  There must be a reason they were ranked so high in the 1st place right?  I know Dickinson is not MUC, but 'Bart only beat them by 3 in '06, and by 7 in '08.  Dickinson won in OT in '07.  Must be a good matchup and perhaps Bart will bounce back.

SJF:  I remember thinking they were underrated in the poll last year after week 2...SO I WILL SHUT MY MOUTH FOR A FEW WEEKS....because they promptly justified their ranking     But that offense SURE looked dangerous on Sat.

I had Hobart as my 10 in this week's polls.  I think they probably still do deserve to be in the Top 10 but have a lot to prove after their worst offensive performance since 1993.

ahh...'93....are you referring to a certain 10-7 (if I recall) win against my Cardinals?

[SJFF82]

that loss in Week 2 hurt....we had just knocked off RPI in Week 1 in a stunner.

[union89]

Funny how 2 Pollsters can have Union unranked and have Ithaca at #3 & #6. 

Anyone care to explain that rationale??

maybe they think that Union is not a top ten team and IC is.

If Union is that poor of a team, Ithaca should not be a #3 after losing to them.....correct??

You dont have to be a team, undeserving of a high rank, to lose to a decent, non-top 10 team, on the road in a last second game do you??

If SJF had beaten MUC, does MUC drop all that far in the rankings?

No, but in your MUC scenario, I would expect Fisher to jump up with the win. 

[SJFF82]

Funny how 2 Pollsters can have Union unranked and have Ithaca at #3 & #6. 

Anyone care to explain that rationale??

maybe they think that Union is not a top ten team and IC is.

If Union is that poor of a team, Ithaca should not be a #3 after losing to them.....correct??

You dont have to be a team, undeserving of a high rank, to lose to a decent, non-top 10 team, on the road in a last second game do you??

If SJF had beaten MUC, does MUC drop all that far in the rankings?

No, but in your MUC scenario, I would expect Fisher to jump up with the win. 

I hear ya....but apparently the pollsters dont...if you figure Union was a decent team going in, and they beat IC they become top 10 material.  Makes sense, but screw the polls (no offense PGO4....i like the poll)  cuz everytime i get worked up over them, they prove me wrong anyway.  Last year I was pissin and moanin about SJF after week 2 figuring the MUC loss shouldnt hurt them that much and then they go out and finish 6-4 justifying their 'poor' ranking.

Just gloat on the inside about beating IC and hope that Union keeps it going is my advice

[union89]

Funny how 2 Pollsters can have Union unranked and have Ithaca at #3 & #6. 

Anyone care to explain that rationale??

maybe they think that Union is not a top ten team and IC is.

If Union is that poor of a team, Ithaca should not be a #3 after losing to them.....correct??

You dont have to be a team, undeserving of a high rank, to lose to a decent, non-top 10 team, on the road in a last second game do you??

If SJF had beaten MUC, does MUC drop all that far in the rankings?

No, but in your MUC scenario, I would expect Fisher to jump up with the win. 

I hear ya....but apparently the pollsters dont...if you figure Union was a decent team going in, and they beat IC they become top 10 material.  Makes sense, but screw the polls (no offense PGO4....i like the poll)  cuz everytime i get worked up over them, they prove me wrong anyway.  Last year I was pissin and moanin about SJF after week 2 figuring the MUC loss shouldnt hurt them that much and then they go out and finish 6-4 justifying their 'poor' ranking.

Just gloat on the inside about beating IC and hope that Union keeps it going is my advice

Dude,
Never gloated once and I don't have a problem with the vast majority of pollsters.  You are twisting this back to your frustration from last year.  I simply wondered how Ithaca could be #3 and Union be unranked.....that's really the extent of it.....

[theoriginalupstate]

Funny how 2 Pollsters can have Union unranked and have Ithaca at #3 & #6. 

Anyone care to explain that rationale??

I had IC at 6 and Union unranked...

I have Union at 11 right now...

I didn't even have them in my top 15 in my preseason poll after two straight 5 win seasons, I had IC at #4...

I just need to see more of them, I think the last second victory was impressive, but there are really a lot of teams in the east that are in the discussion for the best in the region so someone has to be left out early in the year until stuff gets settled...

If this happened in the middle to later portions of the season I can see your gripe, but there is just too much undecided at the moment...

[lewdogg11]

Funny how 2 Pollsters can have Union unranked and have Ithaca at #3 & #6. 

Anyone care to explain that rationale??

I had IC at 6 and Union unranked...

I have Union at 11 right now...

I didn't even have them in my top 15 in my preseason poll after two straight 5 win seasons, I had IC at #4...

I just need to see more of them, I think the last second victory was impressive, but there are really a lot of teams in the east that are in the discussion for the best in the region so someone has to be left out early in the year until stuff gets settled...

If this happened in the middle to later portions of the season I can see your gripe, but there is just too much undecided at the moment...

Well, throwing EVERYTHING out the window other than this year, Union is better than Ithaca right now, because they played them, and beat them, and there is nothing else to judge anything on.  SO, if you still have Ithaca ranked, they should be behind Union, ,or you are potentially a little retarded.

[AUKaz00]

Funny how 2 Pollsters can have Union unranked and have Ithaca at #3 & #6. 

Anyone care to explain that rationale??

I had IC at 6 and Union unranked...

I have Union at 11 right now...

I didn't even have them in my top 15 in my preseason poll after two straight 5 win seasons, I had IC at #4...

I just need to see more of them, I think the last second victory was impressive, but there are really a lot of teams in the east that are in the discussion for the best in the region so someone has to be left out early in the year until stuff gets settled...

If this happened in the middle to later portions of the season I can see your gripe, but there is just too much undecided at the moment...

Well, throwing EVERYTHING out the window other than this year, Union is better than Ithaca right now, because they played them, and beat them, and there is nothing else to judge anything on.  SO, if you still have Ithaca ranked, they should be behind Union, ,or you are potentially a little retarded.

Everything other than this year also still needs to include the remaining unplayed games of this year and your expectations for those games for all teams.  So, while Union beat Ithaca (and kudos to the Dutchmen) that doesn't automatically mean that they will have a better season than the Bombers and thus doesn't necessitate them being ranked higher than Ithaca. 

For the record, the Alfred contingent has had both Union and Ithaca ranked sinced the preseason and taking away an arbitrary 3 points for home field advantage I think that both teams are essentially equally talented this year.  The first few polls are definitely a moving target as everything starts to settle in for the year.  I'd say as long as your team is in the discussion at this point, that's all you can ask for.  I don't think Alfred has played like the 4th best team in the region and if they continue to play this way that will be reflected in future polls.

[redswarm81]

Funny how 2 Pollsters can have Union unranked and have Ithaca at #3 & #6.  

Anyone care to explain that rationale??

I had IC at 6 and Union unranked...

I have Union at 11 right now...

I didn't even have them in my top 15 in my preseason poll after two straight 5 win seasons, I had IC at #4...

I just need to see more of them, I think the last second victory was impressive, but there are really a lot of teams in the east that are in the discussion for the best in the region so someone has to be left out early in the year until stuff gets settled...

If this happened in the middle to later portions of the season I can see your gripe, but there is just too much undecided at the moment...

Well, throwing EVERYTHING out the window other than this year, Union is better than Ithaca right now, because they played them, and beat them, and there is nothing else to judge anything on.  SO, if you still have Ithaca ranked, they should be behind Union, ,or you are potentially a little retarded.

Everything other than this year also still needs to include the remaining unplayed games of this year and your expectations for those games for all teams.  So, while Union beat Ithaca (and kudos to the Dutchmen) that doesn't automatically mean that they will have a better season than the Bombers and thus doesn't necessitate them being ranked higher than Ithaca.  

For the record, the Alfred contingent has had both Union and Ithaca ranked sinced the preseason and taking away an arbitrary 3 points for home field advantage I think that both teams are essentially equally talented this year.  The first few polls are definitely a moving target as everything starts to settle in for the year.  I'd say as long as your team is in the discussion at this point, that's all you can ask for.  I don't think Alfred has played like the 4th best team in the region and if they continue to play this way that will be reflected in future polls.

A lot of interesting, correct thought on this issue.  As I mentioned earlier (on the LL board), in the preseason and Week 1 polls on d3football.com polls, Union was considered a zero.

Is it possible that Union is still a zero, and Ithaca is a zero too?  Has Ithaca ever sucked?  I'm not accusing, I'm just asking.

Part of this issue is just the guaranteed inaccuracy of preseason and early season polls.

[labart96]

couple quick thoughts for now:

Hobart:  dropping all the way out over a seemingly bad loss is a bit of stretch.  There must be a reason they were ranked so high in the 1st place right?  I know Dickinson is not MUC, but 'Bart only beat them by 3 in '06, and by 7 in '08.  Dickinson won in OT in '07.  Must be a good matchup and perhaps Bart will bounce back.

SJF:  I remember thinking they were underrated in the poll last year after week 2...SO I WILL SHUT MY MOUTH FOR A FEW WEEKS....because they promptly justified their ranking     But that offense SURE looked dangerous on Sat.

I had Hobart as my 10 in this week's polls.  I think they probably still do deserve to be in the Top 10 but have a lot to prove after their worst offensive performance since 1993.

ahh...'93....are you referring to a certain 10-7 (if I recall) win against my Cardinals?

Nope - referring to the 26-3 loss Hobart had at the hands of Union in 93.  Was the last time (other than this past weekend of course) that Hobart was held to only 3 points.

[union89]

Funny how 2 Pollsters can have Union unranked and have Ithaca at #3 & #6. 

Anyone care to explain that rationale??

I had IC at 6 and Union unranked...

I have Union at 11 right now...

I didn't even have them in my top 15 in my preseason poll after two straight 5 win seasons, I had IC at #4...

I just need to see more of them, I think the last second victory was impressive, but there are really a lot of teams in the east that are in the discussion for the best in the region so someone has to be left out early in the year until stuff gets settled...

If this happened in the middle to later portions of the season I can see your gripe, but there is just too much undecided at the moment...

No gripe and I understand your points....thx for the feedback.

[rams1102]

East Region Fan Poll - Week 2 (9/12/09)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	Cortland State( 5 )	1-0	87	3	vs. #3 Rowan
2	Delaware Valley( 1 )	2-0	80	6	vs. Wesley
3	Rowan( 2 )	1-0	70	7	at #1 Cortland State
4	Alfred( 2 )	2-0	67	5	vs. St. Lawrence
5	Union	1-0	47	NR	at Muhlenberg
6	Ithaca	1-1	39	1	vs. Widener
7	Wilkes	2-0	36	NR	Open Date
8	RPI	1-0	35	8	vs. Utica
9	St. John Fisher	1-1	33	9	vs. Rochester
10	Springfield	2-0	28	10	Open Date

Others Receiving votes:      
Hobart 11
Albright 8
Montclair State 5
Widener 4


Dropping out: #2 Hobart, #4 Montclair State


Voting Breakdown
Cortland State (4,1,1,2,1,4,1,1,2,6,)
Delaware Valley (5,3,2,5,4,2,3,3,1,2,)
Rowan (1,4,4,3,2,1,4,2,8,NR,)
Alfred (6,2,5,1,8,3,6,6,5,1,)
Union (2,NR,NR,4,3,6,8,7,6,5,)
Ithaca (9,6,3,10,6,9,10,8,3,7,)
Wilkes (3,10,NR,6,5,8,9,9,9,4,)
RPI (7,5,9,8,NR,7,2,5,NR,10,)
St. John Fisher (10,8,8,9,9,10,7,4,4,8,)
Springfield (8,9,10,7,10,5,5,10,7,NR,)
Hobart (NR,7,7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,9,)
Albright (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,3,)
Montclair State (NR,NR,6,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)
Widener (NR,NR,NR,NR,7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)



Key Regional Games This Week:

#1 Cortland State vs. #3 Rowan
#2 Delaware Valley vs. Wesley
#5 Union vs. Muhlenberg
#6 Ithaca vs. Widener

I'm shocked that Montclair even got (5) points after the way they played on Saturday.

[union89]

Wilkes' body of work is also very impressive thus far.  

Win's over Muhlenberg and a sound drubbing of Montclair look very good.

[union89]

East Region Fan Poll - Week 2 (9/12/09)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	Cortland State( 5 )	1-0	87	3	vs. #3 Rowan
2	Delaware Valley( 1 )	2-0	80	6	vs. Wesley
3	Rowan( 2 )	1-0	70	7	at #1 Cortland State
4	Alfred( 2 )	2-0	67	5	vs. St. Lawrence
5	Union	1-0	47	NR	at Muhlenberg
6	Ithaca	1-1	39	1	vs. Widener
7	Wilkes	2-0	36	NR	Open Date
8	RPI	1-0	35	8	vs. Utica
9	St. John Fisher	1-1	33	9	vs. Rochester
10	Springfield	2-0	28	10	Open Date

Others Receiving votes:      
Hobart 11
Albright 8
Montclair State 5
Widener 4


Dropping out: #2 Hobart, #4 Montclair State


Voting Breakdown
Cortland State (4,1,1,2,1,4,1,1,2,6,)
Delaware Valley (5,3,2,5,4,2,3,3,1,2,)
Rowan (1,4,4,3,2,1,4,2,8,NR,)
Alfred (6,2,5,1,8,3,6,6,5,1,)
Union (2,NR,NR,4,3,6,8,7,6,5,)
Ithaca (9,6,3,10,6,9,10,8,3,7,)
Wilkes (3,10,NR,6,5,8,9,9,9,4,)
RPI (7,5,9,8,NR,7,2,5,NR,10,)
St. John Fisher (10,8,8,9,9,10,7,4,4,8,)
Springfield (8,9,10,7,10,5,5,10,7,NR,)
Hobart (NR,7,7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,9,)
Albright (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,3,)
Montclair State (NR,NR,6,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)
Widener (NR,NR,NR,NR,7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)



Key Regional Games This Week:

#1 Cortland State vs. #3 Rowan
#2 Delaware Valley vs. Wesley
#5 Union vs. Muhlenberg
#6 Ithaca vs. Widener

I'm shocked that Montclair even got (5) points after the way they played on Saturday.

That is the same crazy ass poll that I have been inquiring about.......AND has Wilkes unranked.

Ithaca #3...........Union: Unranked
Montclair #6.......Wilkes: Unranked

Hmmmmm......