East Region Fan Poll

[SJFF82]

Funny how 2 Pollsters can have Union unranked and have Ithaca at #3 & #6. 

Anyone care to explain that rationale??

maybe they think that Union is not a top ten team and IC is.

If Union is that poor of a team, Ithaca should not be a #3 after losing to them.....correct??

You dont have to be a team, undeserving of a high rank, to lose to a decent, non-top 10 team, on the road in a last second game do you??

If SJF had beaten MUC, does MUC drop all that far in the rankings?

No, but in your MUC scenario, I would expect Fisher to jump up with the win. 

I hear ya....but apparently the pollsters dont...if you figure Union was a decent team going in, and they beat IC they become top 10 material.  Makes sense, but screw the polls (no offense PGO4....i like the poll)  cuz everytime i get worked up over them, they prove me wrong anyway.  Last year I was pissin and moanin about SJF after week 2 figuring the MUC loss shouldnt hurt them that much and then they go out and finish 6-4 justifying their 'poor' ranking.

Just gloat on the inside about beating IC and hope that Union keeps it going is my advice

Dude,
Never gloated once and I don't have a problem with the vast majority of pollsters.  You are twisting this back to your frustration from last year.  I simply wondered how Ithaca could be #3 and Union be unranked.....that's really the extent of it.....

U89...slow down...i aint mad at ya.  I did not accuse you of gloating....I was actually suggesting that you SHOULD gloat.  There is nothing wrong with boasting a big win by your program.  You completely misunderstood the tenor of my post.  I understand your frustration, and I was merely poking fun at myself for the frustration I had about the poll last year.  Calm down now and re-read my earlier post.  It was actually meant to be empathetic to your POV...

BTW....i did offer my simple answer to your self-claimed simple question about the IC-Union relative ranking.  The pollsters believe that IC, despite a close loss on the road, is still top 10 material....AND they think that Union, even with a great home win, still has much to prove.  One game cannot ALWAYS prove or disprove a prior week's ranking is the extent of my view.

[Jonny Utah]

It should be clear to anyone that saw Union on Saturday, or knows the fact that they 4 very good returning skill guys (QB, RB, 2WRs, and some dlinemen) that the win of Ithaca was not an upset.  Union outplayed them the whole game and was the better team.

I would not be shocked if they played again and Ithaca beat them by 4 Td's, as I think Ithaca may have the potential to have an explosive offense this year if they mix it up, but the fact remains that Union had a much better running game, and better run defense, and better WRs than Ithacas defensive backs.

In my opinion, in d3, if you beat another team, you get ranked higher than the other team.

I can see USC being ranked higher than Stanford if they get upset, as you know USC is going to be better than Stanford, but Union and Ithaca, as well as 12-15 other d3 eastern d3 teams aren't that far apart.

[theoriginalupstate]

someone could have been lazy and just sent in the same one as last week??

[SJFF82]

East Region Fan Poll - Week 2 (9/12/09)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	Cortland State( 5 )	1-0	87	3	vs. #3 Rowan
2	Delaware Valley( 1 )	2-0	80	6	vs. Wesley
3	Rowan( 2 )	1-0	70	7	at #1 Cortland State
4	Alfred( 2 )	2-0	67	5	vs. St. Lawrence
5	Union	1-0	47	NR	at Muhlenberg
6	Ithaca	1-1	39	1	vs. Widener
7	Wilkes	2-0	36	NR	Open Date
8	RPI	1-0	35	8	vs. Utica
9	St. John Fisher	1-1	33	9	vs. Rochester
10	Springfield	2-0	28	10	Open Date

Others Receiving votes:      
Hobart 11
Albright 8
Montclair State 5
Widener 4


Dropping out: #2 Hobart, #4 Montclair State


Voting Breakdown
Cortland State (4,1,1,2,1,4,1,1,2,6,)
Delaware Valley (5,3,2,5,4,2,3,3,1,2,)
Rowan (1,4,4,3,2,1,4,2,8,NR,)
Alfred (6,2,5,1,8,3,6,6,5,1,)
Union (2,NR,NR,4,3,6,8,7,6,5,)
Ithaca (9,6,3,10,6,9,10,8,3,7,)
Wilkes (3,10,NR,6,5,8,9,9,9,4,)
RPI (7,5,9,8,NR,7,2,5,NR,10,)
St. John Fisher (10,8,8,9,9,10,7,4,4,8,)
Springfield (8,9,10,7,10,5,5,10,7,NR,)
Hobart (NR,7,7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,9,)
Albright (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,3,)
Montclair State (NR,NR,6,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)
Widener (NR,NR,NR,NR,7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)



Key Regional Games This Week:

#1 Cortland State vs. #3 Rowan
#2 Delaware Valley vs. Wesley
#5 Union vs. Muhlenberg
#6 Ithaca vs. Widener

I'm shocked that Montclair even got (5) points after the way they played on Saturday.

That is the same crazy ass poll that I have been inquiring about.......AND has Wilkes unranked.

Ithaca #3...........Union: Unranked
Montclair #6.......Wilkes: Unranked

Hmmmmm......

....and you just got done posting in response to me that you have no problem with the majority of pollsters, yet you go right back at "the crazy ass poll"....which way you want it? 

[Knightstalker]

Week 2 of the season and Union wins over Ithaca Union moves into the poll and is ranked higher than Ithaca.  It is too early not to have dramatic shifts in the poll.  About another two weeks when all the teams have at least 2 and most 3 games played it will start to smooth itself out.

[SJFF82]

It should be clear to anyone that saw Union on Saturday, or knows the fact that they 4 very good returning skill guys (QB, RB, 2WRs, and some dlinemen) that the win of Ithaca was not an upset.  Union outplayed them the whole game and was the better team.

I would not be shocked if they played again and Ithaca beat them by 4 Td's, as I think Ithaca may have the potential to have an explosive offense this year if they mix it up, but the fact remains that Union had a much better running game, and better run defense, and better WRs than Ithacas defensive backs.

In my opinion, in d3, if you beat another team, you get ranked higher than the other team.

I can see USC being ranked higher than Stanford if they get upset, as you know USC is going to be better than Stanford, but Union and Ithaca, as well as 12-15 other d3 eastern d3 teams aren't that far apart.

JU I disagree.  The poll has to be somewhat subjective, taking into account what hopefully are educated football people's (fellow east posters) opinions about the quality of the teams.  Otherwise, why bother voting.  Could not a computer simply figure out rankings based upon who beats who every week.  As you know, this theory doesnt work, because for example, SJF beats IC, IC beats Wick, and Wick beats SJF....happens every year.  How do you rank em now without using your subjective football mind?

You cant tell me that if UR knocks off SJF this week, that UR gets ranked ahead of them.  SJF beats them every year and clearly still has more talent based upon this year's results.

[union89]

Funny how 2 Pollsters can have Union unranked and have Ithaca at #3 & #6. 

Anyone care to explain that rationale??

maybe they think that Union is not a top ten team and IC is.

If Union is that poor of a team, Ithaca should not be a #3 after losing to them.....correct??

You dont have to be a team, undeserving of a high rank, to lose to a decent, non-top 10 team, on the road in a last second game do you??

If SJF had beaten MUC, does MUC drop all that far in the rankings?

No, but in your MUC scenario, I would expect Fisher to jump up with the win. 

I hear ya....but apparently the pollsters dont...if you figure Union was a decent team going in, and they beat IC they become top 10 material.  Makes sense, but screw the polls (no offense PGO4....i like the poll)  cuz everytime i get worked up over them, they prove me wrong anyway.  Last year I was pissin and moanin about SJF after week 2 figuring the MUC loss shouldnt hurt them that much and then they go out and finish 6-4 justifying their 'poor' ranking.

Just gloat on the inside about beating IC and hope that Union keeps it going is my advice

Dude,
Never gloated once and I don't have a problem with the vast majority of pollsters.  You are twisting this back to your frustration from last year.  I simply wondered how Ithaca could be #3 and Union be unranked.....that's really the extent of it.....

U89...slow down...i aint mad at ya.  I did not accuse you of gloating....I was actually suggesting that you SHOULD gloat.  There is nothing wrong with boasting a big win by your program.  You completely misunderstood the tenor of my post.  I understand your frustration, and I was merely poking fun at myself for the frustration I had about the poll last year.  Calm down now and re-read my earlier post.  It was actually meant to be empathetic to your POV...

BTW....i did offer my simple answer to your self-claimed simple question about the IC-Union relative ranking.  The pollsters believe that IC, despite a close loss on the road, is still top 10 material....AND they think that Union, even with a great home win, still has much to prove.  One game cannot ALWAYS prove or disprove a prior week's ranking is the extent of my view.

[Jonny Utah]

It should be clear to anyone that saw Union on Saturday, or knows the fact that they 4 very good returning skill guys (QB, RB, 2WRs, and some dlinemen) that the win of Ithaca was not an upset.  Union outplayed them the whole game and was the better team.

I would not be shocked if they played again and Ithaca beat them by 4 Td's, as I think Ithaca may have the potential to have an explosive offense this year if they mix it up, but the fact remains that Union had a much better running game, and better run defense, and better WRs than Ithacas defensive backs.

In my opinion, in d3, if you beat another team, you get ranked higher than the other team.

I can see USC being ranked higher than Stanford if they get upset, as you know USC is going to be better than Stanford, but Union and Ithaca, as well as 12-15 other d3 eastern d3 teams aren't that far apart.

JU I disagree.  The poll has to be somewhat subjective, taking into account what hopefully are educated football people's (fellow east posters) opinions about the quality of the teams.  Otherwise, why bother voting.  Could not a computer simply figure out rankings based upon who beats who every week.  As you know, this theory doesnt work, because for example, SJF beats IC, IC beats Wick, and Wick beats SJF....happens every year.  How do you rank em now without using your subjective football mind?

You cant tell me that if UR knocks off SJF this week, that UR gets ranked ahead of them.  SJF beats them every year and clearly still has more talent based upon this year's results.

Like I said, it depends on if you are in the top 10-12 teams or not.  Union is in the top 10-12, UR is not.  So if UR beat SJF, it may be considered a fluke this early in the season, and SJF might be still deserving of a higher rank.  But Union was not really a fluke, and that should be based on the game itself, Unions returning players, Unions history, and Ithacas lost players from last year.

[union89]

East Region Fan Poll - Week 2 (9/12/09)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	Cortland State( 5 )	1-0	87	3	vs. #3 Rowan
2	Delaware Valley( 1 )	2-0	80	6	vs. Wesley
3	Rowan( 2 )	1-0	70	7	at #1 Cortland State
4	Alfred( 2 )	2-0	67	5	vs. St. Lawrence
5	Union	1-0	47	NR	at Muhlenberg
6	Ithaca	1-1	39	1	vs. Widener
7	Wilkes	2-0	36	NR	Open Date
8	RPI	1-0	35	8	vs. Utica
9	St. John Fisher	1-1	33	9	vs. Rochester
10	Springfield	2-0	28	10	Open Date

Others Receiving votes:      
Hobart 11
Albright 8
Montclair State 5
Widener 4


Dropping out: #2 Hobart, #4 Montclair State


Voting Breakdown
Cortland State (4,1,1,2,1,4,1,1,2,6,)
Delaware Valley (5,3,2,5,4,2,3,3,1,2,)
Rowan (1,4,4,3,2,1,4,2,8,NR,)
Alfred (6,2,5,1,8,3,6,6,5,1,)
Union (2,NR,NR,4,3,6,8,7,6,5,)
Ithaca (9,6,3,10,6,9,10,8,3,7,)
Wilkes (3,10,NR,6,5,8,9,9,9,4,)
RPI (7,5,9,8,NR,7,2,5,NR,10,)
St. John Fisher (10,8,8,9,9,10,7,4,4,8,)
Springfield (8,9,10,7,10,5,5,10,7,NR,)
Hobart (NR,7,7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,9,)
Albright (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,3,)
Montclair State (NR,NR,6,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)
Widener (NR,NR,NR,NR,7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)



Key Regional Games This Week:

#1 Cortland State vs. #3 Rowan
#2 Delaware Valley vs. Wesley
#5 Union vs. Muhlenberg
#6 Ithaca vs. Widener

I'm shocked that Montclair even got (5) points after the way they played on Saturday.

That is the same crazy ass poll that I have been inquiring about.......AND has Wilkes unranked.

Ithaca #3...........Union: Unranked
Montclair #6.......Wilkes: Unranked

Hmmmmm......

....and you just got done posting in response to me that you have no problem with the majority of pollsters, yet you go right back at "the crazy ass poll"....which way you want it? 

As previously stated.....this is the ONLY poll I have a problem with.....Upstate explained his rationale and it made sense to me.

82, do you agree with this poll??

[SJFF82]

It should be clear to anyone that saw Union on Saturday, or knows the fact that they 4 very good returning skill guys (QB, RB, 2WRs, and some dlinemen) that the win of Ithaca was not an upset.  Union outplayed them the whole game and was the better team.

I would not be shocked if they played again and Ithaca beat them by 4 Td's, as I think Ithaca may have the potential to have an explosive offense this year if they mix it up, but the fact remains that Union had a much better running game, and better run defense, and better WRs than Ithacas defensive backs.

In my opinion, in d3, if you beat another team, you get ranked higher than the other team.

I can see USC being ranked higher than Stanford if they get upset, as you know USC is going to be better than Stanford, but Union and Ithaca, as well as 12-15 other d3 eastern d3 teams aren't that far apart.

JU I disagree.  The poll has to be somewhat subjective, taking into account what hopefully are educated football people's (fellow east posters) opinions about the quality of the teams.  Otherwise, why bother voting.  Could not a computer simply figure out rankings based upon who beats who every week.  As you know, this theory doesnt work, because for example, SJF beats IC, IC beats Wick, and Wick beats SJF....happens every year.  How do you rank em now without using your subjective football mind?

You cant tell me that if UR knocks off SJF this week, that UR gets ranked ahead of them.  SJF beats them every year and clearly still has more talent based upon this year's results.

Like I said, it depends on if you are in the top 10-12 teams or not.  Union is in the top 10-12, UR is not.  So if UR beat SJF, it may be considered a fluke this early in the season, and SJF might be still deserving of a higher rank.  But Union was not really a fluke, and that should be based on the game itself, Unions returning players, Unions history, and Ithacas lost players from last year.

I agree with the Union-IC aspect perhaps.  You did state however, "12-15" teams and made the blanket statement that if you beat a team in d-3 you should be ranked higher. I didnt think you really meant that and your last post seems to clarify with what  I can agree with.  Top teams get the benefit of the doubt in a close loss to third tier teams. 

[SJFF82]

East Region Fan Poll - Week 2 (9/12/09)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	Cortland State( 5 )	1-0	87	3	vs. #3 Rowan
2	Delaware Valley( 1 )	2-0	80	6	vs. Wesley
3	Rowan( 2 )	1-0	70	7	at #1 Cortland State
4	Alfred( 2 )	2-0	67	5	vs. St. Lawrence
5	Union	1-0	47	NR	at Muhlenberg
6	Ithaca	1-1	39	1	vs. Widener
7	Wilkes	2-0	36	NR	Open Date
8	RPI	1-0	35	8	vs. Utica
9	St. John Fisher	1-1	33	9	vs. Rochester
10	Springfield	2-0	28	10	Open Date

Others Receiving votes:      
Hobart 11
Albright 8
Montclair State 5
Widener 4


Dropping out: #2 Hobart, #4 Montclair State


Voting Breakdown
Cortland State (4,1,1,2,1,4,1,1,2,6,)
Delaware Valley (5,3,2,5,4,2,3,3,1,2,)
Rowan (1,4,4,3,2,1,4,2,8,NR,)
Alfred (6,2,5,1,8,3,6,6,5,1,)
Union (2,NR,NR,4,3,6,8,7,6,5,)
Ithaca (9,6,3,10,6,9,10,8,3,7,)
Wilkes (3,10,NR,6,5,8,9,9,9,4,)
RPI (7,5,9,8,NR,7,2,5,NR,10,)
St. John Fisher (10,8,8,9,9,10,7,4,4,8,)
Springfield (8,9,10,7,10,5,5,10,7,NR,)
Hobart (NR,7,7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,9,)
Albright (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,3,)
Montclair State (NR,NR,6,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)
Widener (NR,NR,NR,NR,7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)



Key Regional Games This Week:

#1 Cortland State vs. #3 Rowan
#2 Delaware Valley vs. Wesley
#5 Union vs. Muhlenberg
#6 Ithaca vs. Widener

I'm shocked that Montclair even got (5) points after the way they played on Saturday.

That is the same crazy ass poll that I have been inquiring about.......AND has Wilkes unranked.

Ithaca #3...........Union: Unranked
Montclair #6.......Wilkes: Unranked

Hmmmmm......

....and you just got done posting in response to me that you have no problem with the majority of pollsters, yet you go right back at "the crazy ass poll"....which way you want it? 

As previously stated.....this is the ONLY poll I have a problem with.....Upstate explained his rationale and it made sense to me.

82, do you agree with this poll??

Absolutely, unqualified, 100% agreement.....EXCEPT, the Fisher ranking

[SJFF82]

seriously though, I BELIEVE (just my opinion) that the likes of DVC, AU and RPI, seem to slide from higher early season rankings every year, so I am going to keep my eye on them.

[SJFF82]

East Region Fan Poll - Week 2 (9/12/09)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	Cortland State( 5 )	1-0	87	3	vs. #3 Rowan
2	Delaware Valley( 1 )	2-0	80	6	vs. Wesley
3	Rowan( 2 )	1-0	70	7	at #1 Cortland State
4	Alfred( 2 )	2-0	67	5	vs. St. Lawrence
5	Union	1-0	47	NR	at Muhlenberg
6	Ithaca	1-1	39	1	vs. Widener
7	Wilkes	2-0	36	NR	Open Date
8	RPI	1-0	35	8	vs. Utica
9	St. John Fisher	1-1	33	9	vs. Rochester
10	Springfield	2-0	28	10	Open Date

Others Receiving votes:      
Hobart 11
Albright 8
Montclair State 5
Widener 4


Dropping out: #2 Hobart, #4 Montclair State


Voting Breakdown
Cortland State (4,1,1,2,1,4,1,1,2,6,)
Delaware Valley (5,3,2,5,4,2,3,3,1,2,)
Rowan (1,4,4,3,2,1,4,2,8,NR,)
Alfred (6,2,5,1,8,3,6,6,5,1,)
Union (2,NR,NR,4,3,6,8,7,6,5,)
Ithaca (9,6,3,10,6,9,10,8,3,7,)
Wilkes (3,10,NR,6,5,8,9,9,9,4,)
RPI (7,5,9,8,NR,7,2,5,NR,10,)
St. John Fisher (10,8,8,9,9,10,7,4,4,8,)
Springfield (8,9,10,7,10,5,5,10,7,NR,)
Hobart (NR,7,7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,9,)
Albright (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,3,)
Montclair State (NR,NR,6,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)
Widener (NR,NR,NR,NR,7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)



Key Regional Games This Week:

#1 Cortland State vs. #3 Rowan
#2 Delaware Valley vs. Wesley
#5 Union vs. Muhlenberg
#6 Ithaca vs. Widener

I'm shocked that Montclair even got (5) points after the way they played on Saturday.

That is the same crazy ass poll that I have been inquiring about.......AND has Wilkes unranked.

Ithaca #3...........Union: Unranked
Montclair #6.......Wilkes: Unranked

Hmmmmm......

....and you just got done posting in response to me that you have no problem with the majority of pollsters, yet you go right back at "the crazy ass poll"....which way you want it? 

As previously stated.....this is the ONLY poll I have a problem with.....Upstate explained his rationale and it made sense to me.

82, do you agree with this poll??

Absolutely, unqualified, 100% agreement.....EXCEPT, the Fisher ranking

did you mean the entire poll or just the IC-uNION ASPECT OF IT?

[dlippiel]

Funny how 2 Pollsters can have Union unranked and have Ithaca at #3 & #6. 

Anyone care to explain that rationale??

I had IC at 6 and Union unranked...

I have Union at 11 right now...

I didn't even have them in my top 15 in my preseason poll after two straight 5 win seasons, I had IC at #4...

I just need to see more of them, I think the last second victory was impressive, but there are really a lot of teams in the east that are in the discussion for the best in the region so someone has to be left out early in the year until stuff gets settled...

If this happened in the middle to later portions of the season I can see your gripe, but there is just too much undecided at the moment...

Well, throwing EVERYTHING out the window other than this year, Union is better than Ithaca right now, because they played them, and beat them, and there is nothing else to judge anything on.  SO, if you still have Ithaca ranked, they should be behind Union, ,or you are potentially a little retarded.

+k dogg dlip almost just pissed himself after reading this!

[dlippiel]

dlip is sorry here and it not being a homer but the Union IC question is getting ****ing stupid. The U returned a **** load of skill players on O, returned at least 8 on D, and was totally underated (understandably though if one is just looking at the past two seasons when judging) from the start of 09. In many cases if a non-ranked team upsets a ranked team the ranked team will still and should be ranked ahead of them, ex. two years ago WNEC beat ****ing Wick and Boltus and later that year Wick was in the top ten and if one even mentioned WNEC in that poll they would be laughed at. Yet here it is not the case. Will U run the table, maybe, maybe not, BUT if one were to look at their roster, player potential and performance they would see U have been underrated. Anyone who knows anything about U football new this one was going to be very very close. Not tooting horns here but U89 and myself picked U to win. We are not ****in idiots or total homers. When the two teams played did Union totally dominate? No, but U was definitly the better team. Hence they now deserve a higher ranking. dlip had U fifth or sixth this week with Ithaca coming in at like 9 or 10 (****ty memory now I am at work).