East Region Fan Poll

[dlippiel]

I was just thinking though....what if Ithaca had won that game?  One play would have decided how many notches in the poll for both teams?

I dont know anything about m-burg, but I bet Union wins and then ends up going 8-2 or even 9-1.

I hope you are right......I'm very nervous about this 1.

There with ya U89. The Mules D seems solid and U must stay focused and not press if they face some early game adversity on O.

[Pat Coleman]

That said, I'm sure that the d3football.com poll voters and the Kickoff '09 editorial staff had that same roster information, yet in preseason and Week 1, Union got zero poll votes.  I find that odd.

dlip looks at it like this. . . . blah blah blah . . .  over 200 teams . . . blah blah blah . . .  personel developments, growth, and potential that, . . . blah blah blah . . .  you would realistically look at # of returning starters, recruits (preseason info on recruits is also not always easy to come by in D3), and recent team records going back 1 to 2 seasons. . . . blah blah blah . . .  U is highly highly skilled on the O side of the ball. Deep as **** at wide out, Chris Coney nasty at RB, an O line with something to prove, and a pissed off D that needs to prove itself for an entire season before anyone buys them as being better than avg.

I understand that's the way you would do it if you were a d3football.com poll voter or a Kickoff '09 editor.  I suppose I'd follow a similar strategy.  Have we heard from any d3football.com poll voters or Kickoff '09 editors on how they actually did it?

Keith and I did a podcast about it in August.

[dlippiel]

That said, I'm sure that the d3football.com poll voters and the Kickoff '09 editorial staff had that same roster information, yet in preseason and Week 1, Union got zero poll votes.  I find that odd.

dlip looks at it like this. . . . blah blah blah . . .  over 200 teams . . . blah blah blah . . .  personel developments, growth, and potential that, . . . blah blah blah . . .  you would realistically look at # of returning starters, recruits (preseason info on recruits is also not always easy to come by in D3), and recent team records going back 1 to 2 seasons. . . . blah blah blah . . .  U is highly highly skilled on the O side of the ball. Deep as **** at wide out, Chris Coney nasty at RB, an O line with something to prove, and a pissed off D that needs to prove itself for an entire season before anyone buys them as being better than avg.

I understand that's the way you would do it if you were a d3football.com poll voter or a Kickoff '09 editor.  I suppose I'd follow a similar strategy.  Have we heard from any d3football.com poll voters or Kickoff '09 editors on how they actually did it?

Keith and I did a podcast about it in August.

Where the **** did the ...blah...blah....blah **** come from? dlip never put that in his post! dlip was basically making it clear that he understood why U did not recieve the appropriate preseason love and making it clear that it is next to impossible for anyone to preview and guess exactly how well each team will play thoughout the year because of the multiple reasons he stated. He was defending the D3 staff and making it clear that unless one was very close to the program they most likely would have underestimated U. dlip does not like people ****ing with his stuff.

[redswarm81]

That said, I'm sure that the d3football.com poll voters and the Kickoff '09 editorial staff had that same roster information, yet in preseason and Week 1, Union got zero poll votes.  I find that odd.

dlip looks at it like this. . . . blah blah blah . . .  over 200 teams . . . blah blah blah . . .  personel developments, growth, and potential that, . . . blah blah blah . . .  you would realistically look at # of returning starters, recruits (preseason info on recruits is also not always easy to come by in D3), and recent team records going back 1 to 2 seasons. . . . blah blah blah . . .  U is highly highly skilled on the O side of the ball. Deep as **** at wide out, Chris Coney nasty at RB, an O line with something to prove, and a pissed off D that needs to prove itself for an entire season before anyone buys them as being better than avg.

I understand that's the way you would do it if you were a d3football.com poll voter or a Kickoff '09 editor.  I suppose I'd follow a similar strategy.  Have we heard from any d3football.com poll voters or Kickoff '09 editors on how they actually did it?

Keith and I did a podcast about it in August.

Where the **** did the ...blah...blah....blah **** come from? dlip never put that in his post! dlip was basically making it clear that he understood why U did not recieve the appropriate preseason love and making it clear that it is next to impossible for anyone to preview and guess exactly how well each team will play thoughout the year because of the multiple reasons he stated. He was defending the D3 staff and making it clear that unless one was very close to the program they most likely would have underestimated U. dlip does not like people ****ing with his stuff.

I agreed with what you said--I think I even said so.  The . . . blah blah blah . . . **** (it wasn't blah...blah....blah ****) was simply an attempt to minimize the carbon footprint of the post.   

[Boxer7806]

This week did nothing to help my poll. I have 12 teams I feel deserve a spot in the top ten. RPI barely got by UTICA. Union lays an egg against Muhlengberg and SJF barely gets by Rochester. Springfield hasn't played anyone of substance but at least they have Alfred this week. Deleware Valley was outmatched by Wesley but I thought that would be the case and can't drop them drastically in the rankings just like you can't drop SJF for losing to MUC.

At least Cortland beat Rowan.

Does anyone else feel New Jersey could be pushing for a spot in the top ten?

[Knightstalker]

KS has CState at the top of his poll last week.  KS is thinking of leaving them there and blowing up the rest of his poll and starting over.  This is starting out as a very interesting season.  How much will Pitchers loss hurt C State?  Did not know until I read a post from JT that rowan started the backup qb due to an ankle injury.  KS still has scores to check and game recaps to check out, will get poll out later tonight.

[Boxer7806]

I agree KS. I feel like the teams at the top of my list haven't done enough, and the teams at the bottom of poll should be higher but have a blemish or a glaring weakness that a team above them does not. I'm hoping this week clears up a lot of my confusion in the poll.

[redswarm81]

This week did nothing to help my poll. I have 12 teams I feel deserve a spot in the top ten. RPI barely got by UTICA. Union lays an egg against Muhlengberg and SJF barely gets by Rochester. Springfield hasn't played anyone of substance but at least they have Alfred this week. Deleware Valley was outmatched by Wesley but I thought that would be the case and can't drop them drastically in the rankings just like you can't drop SJF for losing to MUC.

At least Cortland beat Rowan.

Does anyone else feel New Jersey could be pushing for a spot in the top ten?

Weird, wild stuff for sure.  Pre-season and early season polls are for entertainment purposes only.

SJF-Rochacha is a rivalry game (and it's a charity event, right? God bless America)--can't really use rivalry games for comparative purposes.

As for RPI-Utica, DewCrew almost pulled off his first prediction in the "no more predictions" era.  He's been saying for some time that Utica's coming up, maybe they're finally going to make an honest journalist out of him.    From what I saw of Utica, they run a pretty effective no-huddle offense.  It makes sense that they could score over 60 against unprepared teams.

Springfield and Whoopie Tech are always big question marks until they take on New York teams.

Maybe this is a year when everyone beats each other's brains out in every conference.  I mean, why should the Empire 6 8 have all the fun?

Welcome to the East Region Fan Pool - swim at your own risk.

Since MLB wildcards have rendered true pennant races extinct, and even the wildcard races this year are runaways, I thought I'd take a look at the d3Football.com Top 25 Poll Week 3 "wildcard" candidates, mostly in spots 26+.

Ithaca       2-1   98  (lost to Union)
Dickinson    3-0   41  (beat Hobart)
Wilkes        2-0   30  (beat Muhlenberg)
Hobart       1-1   18  (lost to Dickinson)
Union         1-1   15  (beat Ithaca, lost to Muhlenberg)
SJF            2-1   11  (lost to 1985 Chicago Bears)
Alfred         3-0    4
Muhlenberg  1-1    3  (beat Union, lost to Wilkes)

Here are the results involving head to head matchups:

Dickinson 41 ---> Hobart 18

Wilkes 30 ---> Muhlenberg 3 ---> Union 15 ---> Ithaca 98

The key to success?  Lose to Union!

[labart96]

Are there still voters holding out on submitting the Week 3 ballots? 

Or is pg04 just busy?

[pg04]

Are there still voters holding out on submitting the Week 3 ballots? 

Or is pg04 just busy?

Sorry, I've been busy.  Not been able to compile the vote yet.  However, everyone was in yesterday. 

Next week I probably will not get them out until Monday or Tuesday as well since I am out of town from tomorrow until next Monday (Although interestingly enough out of town means I'll be in the Rochester area). 

[theoriginalupstate]

Are there still voters holding out on submitting the Week 3 ballots? 

Or is pg04 just busy?

Sorry, I've been busy.  Not been able to compile the vote yet.  However, everyone was in yesterday. 

Next week I probably will not get them out until Monday or Tuesday as well since I am out of town from tomorrow until next Monday (Although interestingly enough out of town means I'll be in the Rochester area). 

Excuses, excuses...

Hitting up that hole in the wall town of Newfane while back in NY?

[pg04]

 East Region Fan Poll - Week 3 (9/21/09)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	Cortland State( 7 )	2-0	95	1	vs. Kean
2	Alfred( 2 )	3-0	77	4	vs. Springfield
3	Wilkes( 1 )	2-0	63	7	at Christopher Newport
4	Ithaca	2-1	48	6	at Utica
	RPI	2-0	48	8	at WPI
6	Delaware Valley	2-1	47	2	Open Date
7	St. John Fisher	2-1	42	9	at Salisbury
8	Rowan	1-1	39	3	at William Paterson
9	Springfield	2-0	42	10	at Alfred
10	Hobart	1-1	17	NR	at Susquehanna

*The totals are off by 2 points due to a poster picking a team outside the eastern region.  

Others Receiving votes:      
Union   9
Albright   8
Lebanon Valley   6
Montclair State   5
TCNJ   3
Utica   2
Hartwick   2
WPI   1

Dropping out: #5 Union


Voting Breakdown
Cortland State (2,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,4,)
Alfred (4,2,4,1,4,3,5,4,5,1,)
Wilkes (1,9,NR,3,2,4,4,8,3,2,)
Ithaca (9,3,3,10,5,9,9,7,2,5,)
RPI (6,4,10,4,NR,2,2,3,NR,9,)
Delaware Valley (3,6,2,7,NR,7,6,6,7,8,)
St. John Fisher (10,7,8,8,3,NR,7,2,6,6,)
Rowan (5,5,5,6,NR,6,8,5,9,NR,)
Springfield (8,10,9,5,10,5,3,9,4,NR,)
Hobart (NR,8,7,NR,8,8,NR,NR,NR,7,)
Union (7,NR,NR,NR,7,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,)
Albright (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,3,)
Lebanon Valley (NR,NR,NR,NR,6,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,)
Montclair State (NR,NR,6,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)
TCNJ (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,8,NR,)
Utica (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,10,)
Hartwick (NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,)
WPI (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,)

Key Regional Games This Week:

#2 Alfred vs. #9 Springfield
#3 Wilkes @ Christopher Newport
#5 RPI vs. WPI
#7 St. John Fisher @ Salisbury

[maxpower]

Union is in a pinball machine... way off, way on, way off....

[pg04]

Union is in a pinball machine... way off, way on, way off....

I still have them in at #7.  Muhlenberg is a fairly good team.  I don't think they should be written off yet.  Especially since they did beat Ithaca.  Or has that been forgotten already?

[pumkinattack]

Interesting that Utica is getting votes and Susquehanna isn't (and that Utica is getting more than WPI).  SU pretty much hammered slightly better competition the first two weeks and then lost on the road to Lycoming vs. Utica also beating really weak competition for two weeks and then losing at home to an RPI team that may or may not be better than Lyco (I'd like to think so, especially since I really was let down by Lyco at the Bart playoff game last year).  Same for WPI v Utica.  WPI has crushed three similar opponents to Utica's first two and was 7-3 last year with a win over Union (superior to Utica's resume) and returns comparable talent.  

I guess its just the voter's general bias.  As an LL supporter, I'm shocked that Wilkes is unranked in the same poll that has both Hobart and RPI ranked.  Also interesting that there's five teams with either a 1,2 or 3 and unranked in other polls.  The east has parity this year right now to a degree that feels unparallel to any other (last year had 4-5 teams all about the same also).  Only two of the top ten are at home this week?  Could be another big shakeup in this poll.

Lastly, I fashion myself as decent at math, but isn't 42 higher than 39?  E.g. shouldn't Springfield be tied with SJF at 7 and ahead of Rowan?