East Region Fan Poll

['gro]

The out of region team was Muhlenberg. 

Overall, I think Ithaca is overrated and Union is underrated.  Somehow, Ithaca lost to Union and didn't drop far at all.  However, Union loses and falls right off the map.  I don't really understand this. 

To a degree I agree....I also think that AGAIN this year pollsters are over-ranking SJF. 

In comparing Fisher to Union, how is a blowout of Buff. St. and a squeaker vs. Rochester that much better than a win over Ithaca and a close loss to Muhlenburg on the road?

Word. Fisher is like St. John's in the national top 25

yeah I said it.

I hear ya, and I've seen St. John's play this year and they're pretty decent. But in the absence of teams that are awesome other than the usual three, who belongs up there?

There seems to be a gigantic gap between the top three and everyone else. We run out of awesome teams very quickly. But someone has to be No. 4 ... and down through about No. 11 or 12.

exactly. Is St. Johns (or SJF in the east) good? Sure they are. But are they getting a little bump in the polls due to name recognition, gro thinks so.


Dr. Doggenstein,

RPI is not allowed to receive votes until it is at least 5-0, and can not crack the top 25 until 7-0.

Regards,

Groseph G. Groberson III

[union89]

The out of region team was Muhlenberg. 

Overall, I think Ithaca is overrated and Union is underrated.  Somehow, Ithaca lost to Union and didn't drop far at all.  However, Union loses and falls right off the map.  I don't really understand this. 

To a degree I agree....I also think that AGAIN this year pollsters are over-ranking SJF. 

In comparing Fisher to Union, how is a blowout of Buff. St. and a squeaker vs. Rochester that much better than a win over Ithaca and a close loss to Muhlenburg on the road?

Word. Fisher is like St. John's in the national top 25

yeah I said it.

I hear ya, and I've seen St. John's play this year and they're pretty decent. But in the absence of teams that are awesome other than the usual three, who belongs up there?

There seems to be a gigantic gap between the top three and everyone else. We run out of awesome teams very quickly. But someone has to be No. 4 ... and down through about No. 11 or 12.

Speaking of Top 25, I understand people not wanting to cast a vote for RPI after last week's sneak by a traditionally poor team, who had put up 60+ 2 weeks in a row...but...

Hobart - Smoked by Dickinson...Hobart - 18 votes
Union - Beat up by Muhlenburg - 15 votes (while Muhlenburg(2-point loss to Wilkes) gets 3 votes)
SJF lays down and gets mopped by Mt. Union then squeezes by Rochester(0-2)...11 votes

What have you done for me lately?

The Doctor is wise........Are you related to the difficult to understand, Dr. Lou Holtz??

"Sufferin' Succotash"........

[JT]

The out of region team was Muhlenberg. 

Overall, I think Ithaca is overrated and Union is underrated.  Somehow, Ithaca lost to Union and didn't drop far at all.  However, Union loses and falls right off the map.  I don't really understand this. 

To a degree I agree....I also think that AGAIN this year pollsters are over-ranking SJF. 

In comparing Fisher to Union, how is a blowout of Buff. St. and a squeaker vs. Rochester that much better than a win over Ithaca and a close loss to Muhlenburg on the road?

Word. Fisher is like St. John's in the national top 25

yeah I said it.

I hear ya, and I've seen St. John's play this year and they're pretty decent. But in the absence of teams that are awesome other than the usual three, who belongs up there?

There seems to be a gigantic gap between the top three and everyone else. We run out of awesome teams very quickly. But someone has to be No. 4 ... and down through about No. 11 or 12.

exactly. Is St. Johns (or SJF in the east) good? Sure they are. But are they getting a little bump in the polls due to name recognition, gro thinks so.


Dr. Doggenstein,

RPI is not allowed to receive votes until it is at least 5-0, and can not crack the top 25 until 7-0.

Regards,

Groseph G. Groberson III

Sometimes its hard to look at St. John's on Sunday and say who's proven to be better at this point.  When that team steps up.... St John's stays if they win or drops farther if the lose.  Right now I can't find a team to leap frog them on my ballot.

The man didn't win 450 games by not running a top flight program that may have a down year or two, but then is right back in the mix.

I do think that part of my job is keep an eye on Eastern teams on the upswing.  Kinda like telling all the other voters in country... hey check these guys out.  For example, I jumped on RPI pretty early in 2003.

At the same time, I have to be aware of the whole country, absorb info from D3football, post patterns, and news articles, to avoid being a homer for the East.

I keep a running top 40-45 each week.   

[AUPepBand]

Dr. Doggenstein,

RPI is not allowed to receive votes until it is at least 5-0, and can not crack the top 25 until 7-0.

Regards,

Groseph G. Groberson III

Groberson III:

Golly, gee, Groseph G. Groberson...good gridders get garnishment galore given glorious gains. Garnet grabbed good glint given grace 'gainst groggy grenaders. Gridiron gladiators, grilling good gridders, garner grand grades.

GrandPep

[AUKaz00]

Groberson III:

Golly, gee, Groseph G. Groberson...good gridders get garnishment galore given glorious gains. Garnet grabbed good glint given grace 'gainst groggy grenaders. Gridiron gladiators, grilling good gridders, garner grand grades.

GrandPep

October 24th and the Saxons' trip to Growney can't get here soon enough.  Pep clearly needs to get out of Mayberry and I shutter to imagine his mental state in another month!

['gro]

Groberson III:

Golly, gee, Groseph G. Groberson...good gridders get garnishment galore given glorious gains. Garnet grabbed good glint given grace 'gainst groggy grenaders. Gridiron gladiators, grilling good gridders, garner grand grades.

GrandPep

October 24th and the Saxons' trip to Growney can't get here soon enough.  Pep clearly needs to get out of Mayberry and I shutter to imagine his mental state in another month!

Yeah you might want to take the next few plays off Pep    <--- Loco

[fisheralum91]

kazoo is rushing the fall away---sheesh kazoo- we didnt have a summer--let us at least have a fall

[redswarm81]

Updating the d3Football.com Top 25 Poll Week 3 "wildcard" candidates, mostly in spots 26+.

No. 20 Ithaca       2-1   98  (lost to Union)                           Won @ (2-2) Utica 27 - 24
No. 29 Dickinson    3-0   41  (beat Hobart)                           Won v. (2-2) Western McMaryland 35 - 7
No. 32 Wilkes        2-0   30  (beat Muhlenberg)                     Won @ (1-2) Chrisopher Newport 24 - 17
No. 38 Hobart       1-1   18  (lost to Dickinson)                      Lost @ (3-1) Susquehanna 20 - 10
No. 40 Union         1-1   15  (beat Ithaca, lost to Muhlenberg)  Won @ (0-3) UofRochester 28 - 21
No. 42 SJF            2-1   11  (lost to 1985 Chicago Bears)        Lost @ (2-2) Salisbury 38 - 20
No. 45 Alfred         3-0    4                                                 Won v. (2-1) Springfield 49 - 28
No. 50 Muhlenberg  1-1    3  (beat Union, lost to Wilkes)          Lost @ (1-3) Gettysburg 20 - 3

My predictions:

• Ithaca will not be ranked lower than No. 20 nationally in the Week 4 Poll;
• Union's vote total will increase, as will Alfred's, but (2-1) Union polls ahead of (4-0) Alfred;
• SJFisher gets at least one vote in the Week 4 Poll, but Kean gets more votes than SJF;
• Dickinson cracks the Top 25 in the Week 4 Poll, but not Wilkes;
• 4-0 Hartwick (OWP = .250) gets twice as many Week 4 Poll votes as 3-0 RPI;
• Hobart and Muhlenberg, it's been nice knowing you.

[rams1102]

Updating the d3Football.com Top 25 Poll Week 3 "wildcard" candidates, mostly in spots 26+.

No. 20 Ithaca       2-1   98  (lost to Union)                           Won @ (2-2) Utica 27 - 24
No. 29 Dickinson    3-0   41  (beat Hobart)                           Won v. (2-2) Western McMaryland 35 - 7
No. 32 Wilkes        2-0   30  (beat Muhlenberg)                     Won @ (1-2) Chrisopher Newport 24 - 17
No. 38 Hobart       1-1   18  (lost to Dickinson)                      Lost @ (3-1) Susquehanna 20 - 10
No. 40 Union         1-1   15  (beat Ithaca, lost to Muhlenberg)  Won @ (0-3) UofRochester 28 - 21
No. 42 SJF            2-1   11  (lost to 1985 Chicago Bears)        Lost @ (2-2) Salisbury 38 - 20
No. 45 Alfred         3-0    4                                                 Won v. (2-1) Springfield 49 - 28
No. 50 Muhlenberg  1-1    3  (beat Union, lost to Wilkes)          Lost @ (1-3) Gettysburg 20 - 3

My predictions:

• Ithaca will not be ranked lower than No. 20 nationally in the Week 4 Poll;
• Union's vote total will increase, as will Alfred's, but (2-1) Union polls ahead of (4-0) Alfred;
• SJFisher gets at least one vote in the Week 4 Poll, but Kean gets more votes than SJF;
• Dickinson cracks the Top 25 in the Week 4 Poll, but not Wilkes;
• 4-0 Hartwick (OWP = .250) gets twice as many Week 4 Poll votes as 3-0 RPI;
• Hobart and Muhlenberg, it's been nice knowing you.

I have Cortland, Trine and the Pointers out and Wilkes, Franklin and Dickinson in. We will see later tonight. Maybe 2 of 3, but Wilkes definitely in.

[union89]

Updating the d3Football.com Top 25 Poll Week 3 "wildcard" candidates, mostly in spots 26+.

No. 20 Ithaca       2-1   98  (lost to Union)                           Won @ (2-2) Utica 27 - 24
No. 29 Dickinson    3-0   41  (beat Hobart)                           Won v. (2-2) Western McMaryland 35 - 7
No. 32 Wilkes        2-0   30  (beat Muhlenberg)                     Won @ (1-2) Chrisopher Newport 24 - 17
No. 38 Hobart       1-1   18  (lost to Dickinson)                      Lost @ (3-1) Susquehanna 20 - 10
No. 40 Union         1-1   15  (beat Ithaca, lost to Muhlenberg)  Won @ (0-3) UofRochester 28 - 21
No. 42 SJF            2-1   11  (lost to 1985 Chicago Bears)        Lost @ (2-2) Salisbury 38 - 20
No. 45 Alfred         3-0    4                                                 Won v. (2-1) Springfield 49 - 28
No. 50 Muhlenberg  1-1    3  (beat Union, lost to Wilkes)          Lost @ (1-3) Gettysburg 20 - 3

My predictions:

• Ithaca will not be ranked lower than No. 20 nationally in the Week 4 Poll;
• Union's vote total will increase, as will Alfred's, but (2-1) Union polls ahead of (4-0) Alfred;
• SJFisher gets at least one vote in the Week 4 Poll, but Kean gets more votes than SJF;
• Dickinson cracks the Top 25 in the Week 4 Poll, but not Wilkes;
• 4-0 Hartwick (OWP = .250) gets twice as many Week 4 Poll votes as 3-0 RPI;
• Hobart and Muhlenberg, it's been nice knowing you.

I have Cortland, Trine and the Pointers out and Wilkes, Franklin and Dickinson in. We will see later tonight. Maybe 2 of 3, but Wilkes definitely in.

In??  Wilkes should be #1 in this Poll.

[redswarm81]

Updating the d3Football.com Top 25 Poll Week 3 "wildcard" candidates, mostly in spots 26+.

No. 20 Ithaca       2-1   98  (lost to Union)                           Won @ (2-2) Utica 27 - 24
No. 29 Dickinson    3-0   41  (beat Hobart)                           Won v. (2-2) Western McMaryland 35 - 7
No. 32 Wilkes        2-0   30  (beat Muhlenberg)                     Won @ (1-2) Chrisopher Newport 24 - 17
No. 38 Hobart       1-1   18  (lost to Dickinson)                      Lost @ (3-1) Susquehanna 20 - 10
No. 40 Union         1-1   15  (beat Ithaca, lost to Muhlenberg)  Won @ (0-3) UofRochester 28 - 21
No. 42 SJF            2-1   11  (lost to 1985 Chicago Bears)        Lost @ (2-2) Salisbury 38 - 20
No. 45 Alfred         3-0    4                                                 Won v. (2-1) Springfield 49 - 28
No. 50 Muhlenberg  1-1    3  (beat Union, lost to Wilkes)          Lost @ (1-3) Gettysburg 20 - 3

My predictions:

• Ithaca will not be ranked lower than No. 20 nationally in the Week 4 Poll;
• Union's vote total will increase, as will Alfred's, but (2-1) Union polls ahead of (4-0) Alfred;
• SJFisher gets at least one vote in the Week 4 Poll, but Kean gets more votes than SJF;
• Dickinson cracks the Top 25 in the Week 4 Poll, but not Wilkes;
• 4-0 Hartwick (OWP = .250) gets twice as many Week 4 Poll votes as 3-0 RPI;
• Hobart and Muhlenberg, it's been nice knowing you.

I have Cortland, Trine and the Pointers out and Wilkes, Franklin and Dickinson in. We will see later tonight. Maybe 2 of 3, but Wilkes definitely in.

We will indeed see.  I have already admitted on the Top 25 board that I don't understand poll voter pyschology very well.  I couldn't understand why St. John's leapfrogged Ohio Northern earlier this season--going from 60 points behind to 40 points ahead of ONU--when St. John's won a squeaker against an unranked team, while ONU was idle.

If I were a poll voter who was convinced that Cortland St. was good enough to be no. 7, I don't think I could knock them completely out of the top 25 just for losing one game to a conference team, especially in a conference as inscrutable as the NJ(& CT &NY)AC.

The difficulty that I imagine exists in pushing Wilkes up (and believe me, I have to rely on my imagination when it comes to predicting poll voters) is that if you're using purely objective criteria, Wilkes beating 1-2 Christopher Newport by a touchdown can't amount to enough to permit Wilkes to leapfrog other teams that also won.  Wilkes' earlier defeat of Muhlenberg now looks less lustrous, given 1-2 Muhlenberg's loss to Gettysburg.

Fisher is 2-1, if you go by the completely reasonable "losses to MUC don't count" formula, and they lost to an historically solid Salisbury team at Salisbury.  2-1 Springfield seems to be the best team by far that Alfred's played (I'd love to hear more on this from eyewitnesses), but as many have said, it's hard to get a read on Springfield's relative strength as yet, so I figure Alfred's 4-0 record is dragged down by their .400 OWP.

[theoriginalupstate]

I blew up my ballot and started over...

AU at 1 and Wilkes at 2...

[Boxer7806]

I did the same thing. Starting all over again. Minus the top 2, this is a complete guessing game.

[lewdogg11]

I did the same thing. Starting all over again. Minus the top 2, this is a complete guessing game.

ummmm, RPI is at 3-0...and now with Ithaca struggling vs. Utica, that game doesn't look so bad anymore.  And they beat a pretty good WPI team this weekend as well.

[theoriginalupstate]

I did the same thing. Starting all over again. Minus the top 2, this is a complete guessing game.

ummmm, RPI is at 3-0...and now with Ithaca struggling vs. Utica, that game doesn't look so bad anymore.  And they beat a pretty good WPI team this weekend as well.

I've got RPI at 3...