East Region Fan Poll

[Knightstalker]

Got my poll in, not a complete blow up but RPI moves from 3 to 1, Alfred from 4 to 2 and then Wilkes jumped all the way up to 3.

[lewdogg11]

I'm still absolutely scratching my head that RPI doesn't have 1 vote in the Top-25 poll, yet Ithaca is still ranked 20.  How does this make ANY sense?  Seriously?  Not 1?  Trine?  Trine?

[Boxer7806]

I have RPI at #3 in the poll. I dont think anyone knows why RPI has not recieved one vote.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm still absolutely scratching my head that RPI doesn't have 1 vote in the Top-25 poll, yet Ithaca is still ranked 20.  How does this make ANY sense?  Seriously?  Not 1?  Trine?  Trine?

I have no ties to Trine, but why single them out?  They went 10-0 last year, before losing to final 4 team Wheaton in the playoffs.  This year they were 2-0 before losing by one point AT Franklin (who lost to Wheaton in the Elite Eight last year).  They hardly seem to be the most obvious candidate for being over-rated!

[lewdogg11]

I'm still absolutely scratching my head that RPI doesn't have 1 vote in the Top-25 poll, yet Ithaca is still ranked 20.  How does this make ANY sense?  Seriously?  Not 1?  Trine?  Trine?

I have no ties to Trine, but why single them out?  They went 10-0 last year, before losing to final 4 team Wheaton in the playoffs.  This year they were 2-0 before losing by one point AT Franklin (who lost to Wheaton in the Elite Eight last year).  They hardly seem to be the most obvious candidate for being over-rated!

I single them out because i've never even heard of any of the teams on their schedule.

Trine going undefeated last year holds about as much water to me as Husson winning all of their d3 games last year before the ECAC game.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm still absolutely scratching my head that RPI doesn't have 1 vote in the Top-25 poll, yet Ithaca is still ranked 20.  How does this make ANY sense?  Seriously?  Not 1?  Trine?  Trine?

I have no ties to Trine, but why single them out?  They went 10-0 last year, before losing to final 4 team Wheaton in the playoffs.  This year they were 2-0 before losing by one point AT Franklin (who lost to Wheaton in the Elite Eight last year).  They hardly seem to be the most obvious candidate for being over-rated!

I single them out because i've never even heard of any of the teams on their schedule.

Trine going undefeated last year holds about as much water to me as Husson winning all of their d3 games last year before the ECAC game.

With all due respect, if you've never even heard of ANY of the teams on their schedule, I believe that says more about you than about Trine.

[Just to give a couple of examples: you've never heard of 1994 Stagg Bowl winner Albion?  Or last year's Elite Eight team Franklin?]

[AUPepBand]

I'm still absolutely scratching my head that RPI doesn't have 1 vote in the Top-25 poll, yet Ithaca is still ranked 20.  How does this make ANY sense?  Seriously?  Not 1?  Trine?  Trine?

I have no ties to Trine, but why single them out?  They went 10-0 last year, before losing to final 4 team Wheaton in the playoffs.  This year they were 2-0 before losing by one point AT Franklin (who lost to Wheaton in the Elite Eight last year).  They hardly seem to be the most obvious candidate for being over-rated!

I single them out because i've never even heard of any of the teams on their schedule.

Trine going undefeated last year holds about as much water to me as Husson winning all of their d3 games last year before the ECAC game.

Gro already stated the fact of the matter:


Dr. Doggenstein,

RPI is not allowed to receive votes until it is at least 5-0, and can not crack the top 25 until 7-0.

Regards,

Groseph G. Groberson III

[union89]

Updating the d3Football.com Top 25 Poll Week 3 "wildcard" candidates, mostly in spots 26+.

No. 20 Ithaca       2-1   98  (lost to Union)                           Won @ (2-2) Utica 27 - 24
No. 29 Dickinson    3-0   41  (beat Hobart)                           Won v. (2-2) Western McMaryland 35 - 7
No. 32 Wilkes        2-0   30  (beat Muhlenberg)                     Won @ (1-2) Chrisopher Newport 24 - 17
No. 38 Hobart       1-1   18  (lost to Dickinson)                      Lost @ (3-1) Susquehanna 20 - 10
No. 40 Union         1-1   15  (beat Ithaca, lost to Muhlenberg)  Won @ (0-3) UofRochester 28 - 21
No. 42 SJF            2-1   11  (lost to 1985 Chicago Bears)        Lost @ (2-2) Salisbury 38 - 20
No. 45 Alfred         3-0    4                                                 Won v. (2-1) Springfield 49 - 28
No. 50 Muhlenberg  1-1    3  (beat Union, lost to Wilkes)          Lost @ (1-3) Gettysburg 20 - 3

My predictions:

• Ithaca will not be ranked lower than No. 20 nationally in the Week 4 Poll;
• Union's vote total will increase, as will Alfred's, but (2-1) Union polls ahead of (4-0) Alfred;
• SJFisher gets at least one vote in the Week 4 Poll, but Kean gets more votes than SJF;
• Dickinson cracks the Top 25 in the Week 4 Poll, but not Wilkes;
• 4-0 Hartwick (OWP = .250) gets twice as many Week 4 Poll votes as 3-0 RPI;
• Hobart and Muhlenberg, it's been nice knowing you.

You should leave the predicting up to DewCrew.....

[redswarm81]

Updating the d3Football.com Top 25 Poll Week 3 "wildcard" candidates, mostly in spots 26+.

No. 20 Ithaca       2-1   98  (lost to Union)                           Won @ (2-2) Utica 27 - 24
No. 29 Dickinson    3-0   41  (beat Hobart)                           Won v. (2-2) Western McMaryland 35 - 7
No. 32 Wilkes        2-0   30  (beat Muhlenberg)                     Won @ (1-2) Chrisopher Newport 24 - 17
No. 38 Hobart       1-1   18  (lost to Dickinson)                      Lost @ (3-1) Susquehanna 20 - 10
No. 40 Union         1-1   15  (beat Ithaca, lost to Muhlenberg)  Won @ (0-3) UofRochester 28 - 21
No. 42 SJF            2-1   11  (lost to 1985 Chicago Bears)        Lost @ (2-2) Salisbury 38 - 20
No. 45 Alfred         3-0    4                                                 Won v. (2-1) Springfield 49 - 28
No. 50 Muhlenberg  1-1    3  (beat Union, lost to Wilkes)          Lost @ (1-3) Gettysburg 20 - 3

My predictions:

• Ithaca will not be ranked lower than No. 20 nationally in the Week 4 Poll;
• Union's vote total will increase, as will Alfred's, but (2-1) Union polls ahead of (4-0) Alfred;
• SJFisher gets at least one vote in the Week 4 Poll, but Kean gets more votes than SJF;
• Dickinson cracks the Top 25 in the Week 4 Poll, but not Wilkes;
• 4-0 Hartwick (OWP = .250) gets twice as many Week 4 Poll votes as 3-0 RPI;
• Hobart and Muhlenberg, it's been nice knowing you.

You should leave the predicting up to DewCrew.....

Touche.

However, I was spot on with the Ithaca, Hartwick, Hobart and Muhlenberg predictions; and I was closer to reality than rams was with respect to Wilkes and Dickinson.

I just now noticed that I left Rowan out of the wildcard discussion.

[redswarm81]

I'm still absolutely scratching my head that RPI doesn't have 1 vote in the Top-25 poll, yet Ithaca is still ranked 20.  How does this make ANY sense?  Seriously?  Not 1?  Trine?  Trine?

I have no ties to Trine, but why single them out?  They went 10-0 last year, before losing to final 4 team Wheaton in the playoffs.  This year they were 2-0 before losing by one point AT Franklin (who lost to Wheaton in the Elite Eight last year).  They hardly seem to be the most obvious candidate for being over-rated!

It is a bit odd that 1-3 Hardin-Simmons gets a vote, when there are 3-0 and 4-0 teams receiving (insert Chris-Farley-as-Matt-Foley voice) jack squat!

[Pat Coleman]

If you want standings, we have a separate page for that. If you want rankings, though, then the Top 25 is where you need to be.

We're not in the business of listing every unbeaten team. If that's what you need, the AFCA has a poll just for you. That's the one that values W-L% far more than strength of schedule, and it's those kinds of overratings of teams in weak conferences that spurred us to start our own poll.

Who has RPI played? Anyone? What's a voter supposed to believe in from that string of games? You guys all know this already. Nothing's changed except Utica appears to be a little better. As a voter, I'm still going to measure them against Union and Hobart, and yes, to get to Union that's game 7 and that's 7-0. Play a 10-game schedule, schedule with a little chutzpah and you might get somewhere.

[dewcrew88]

@u89: yeah leave the predictions to me.

@pat: now you've done it. Expect angry emails in the morning from the engineer department.

[redswarm81]

If you want standings, we have a separate page for that. If you want rankings, though, then the Top 25 is where you need to be.

We're not in the business of listing every unbeaten team. If that's what you need, the AFCA has a poll just for you. That's the one that values W-L% far more than strength of schedule, and it's those kinds of overratings of teams in weak conferences that spurred us to start our own poll.

Who has RPI played? Anyone? What's a voter supposed to believe in from that string of games? You guys all know this already. Nothing's changed except Utica appears to be a little better. As a voter, I'm still going to measure them against Union and Hobart, and yes, to get to Union that's game 7 and that's 7-0. Play a 10-game schedule, schedule with a little chutzpah and you might get somewhere.

Who is "you?"  I haven't seen anyone mention standings.

Is there a SoS measurement that is different than OWP?  Someday I might understand what criteria are used to evaluate chutzpacity of team scheduling, and how chutzpacity of schedule compares to such things as winning percentage and OWP.*

4-0 Alfred's OWP is .400           - 26 poll votes
2-1 Union's OWP is .429           -   2 poll votes
4-0 Hartwick's OWP is .250       -   0 poll votes
3-0 RPI's OWP is .778              -   0 poll votes
2-1 Springfield's OWP is .750     -   0 poll votes.

Does this indicate that some voters believe that Alfred's schedule has sufficient chutzpah to make them more worthy of a vote than the others?  I'm not criticizing, I'm just asking, because I don't understand how anyone makes such evaluations.  There's lots I don't understand.  I still don't understand how St. John's nearly lost a game to an unranked WIAC team, and yet leapfrogged idle Ohio Northern, gaining 100 points on ONU in the process.

Lou Rabito is a God.

*OOWP makes OWP more meaningful, but I don't have time to calculate those.  Still, winning percentage is more meaningful than OWP/OOWP, because an 0-10 team that lost to ten different 9-1 teams could have a higher OWP/OOWP than each of those 9-1 teams.

[pumkinattack]

I agree that based on what's been done this season RPI shouldn't be held to a different standard than Alfred (in a relative evaluation of those two, which BTW, has AU well outside the top 25 anyway).  That being said, the subjective side, which no matter how much everyone cries about it will say, AU brings back more known talent (specifically a high performing QB and RB) as well as an equal or better 2008 season against a tougher schedule than RPI and RPI's loss to Merchant Marine is probably still in everyone's heads.

In the East, it should be RPI/AU/Wilkes as 1a/1b/1c until one or more separates themselves.

BTW, I'm about to become a hater on everyone else now that it appears that Hobart's offense is offensive.  They should not get a vote in the East Region poll unless they win their next three (SLU, Union and WPI).  Even then, scraping the bottom. 

[lewdogg11]

If you want standings, we have a separate page for that. If you want rankings, though, then the Top 25 is where you need to be.

We're not in the business of listing every unbeaten team. If that's what you need, the AFCA has a poll just for you. That's the one that values W-L% far more than strength of schedule, and it's those kinds of overratings of teams in weak conferences that spurred us to start our own poll.

Who has RPI played? Anyone? What's a voter supposed to believe in from that string of games? You guys all know this already. Nothing's changed except Utica appears to be a little better. As a voter, I'm still going to measure them against Union and Hobart, and yes, to get to Union that's game 7 and that's 7-0. Play a 10-game schedule, schedule with a little chutzpah and you might get somewhere.

And who has Ithaca played?  St. Lawrence...Nice.  Union.  LOST.  Widener...who barely beat a Curry team that doesn't even appear good this year...and Utica...by 3...the same team that RPI beat by 3, yet it hurt 1 teams credentials but not the other...

Name. Brand. Recognition.