East Region Fan Poll

[lewdogg11]

Florida losses this week to LSU without Tebow............do they drop??

Hell yes they drop....and they should.

what's a tebow?

Sometimes its not the question on whether or not a team should drop in the rankings if a key player is injured, but it is how you might rank them once that player comes back at the end of the season.  For instance, what if Florida loses to LSU 14-10 without Tebow.  Then runs the table and goes 11-1 and blows out everyone else while LSU goes 11-1 and squeaks by all the teams Florida blows out, and loses to a team that Florida blows out.  Then you might rank Florida over LSU at the end of the season, since Florida is a better team with Tebow than without him.

Its science.

no seriously, who is this tebow character you speak of? Never heard of him.

well according to espn "tim tebow is able to walk on water and part the red sea..."  espn now reporting he is working on something called the big bang...

seriously can espn do any more to promote tebow? its almost like tebow has pictures of them all w/ farm animals...

Here is a picture of former Dawson's Creek star James Vanderbeek playing Tim Tebow in Varsity Blues.  Few people know that Tebow actually wrote the script to that movie years ago, and has been practicing his '30 minutes for 30 years' speech since he was in the womb.


The whipped cream bikini seen is based on actual events.  Only Tim Tebow could turn something like this down.  He WAS conceived by a virgin after all...

mmm...look at those cherries...

[JQV]

Florida losses this week to LSU without Tebow............do they drop??

Hell yes they drop....and they should.

Not for nothing but Tebow's backup was national player of the year in 2006 and broke Tebow's high school touchdown record.  Gators by 14 without Tebow.

[SaintsFAN]

Here is a picture of former Dawson's Creek star James Vanderbeek playing Tim Tebow in Varsity Blues.  Few people know that Tebow actually wrote the script to that movie years ago, and has been practicing his '30 minutes for 30 years' speech since he was in the womb.

+K...  SF was wondering if he was the only one who noticed that...

[pumkinattack]

Here is a picture of former Dawson's Creek star James Vanderbeek playing Tim Tebow in Varsity Blues.  Few people know that Tebow actually wrote the script to that movie years ago, and has been practicing his '30 minutes for 30 years' speech since he was in the womb.


The whipped cream bikini seen is based on actual events.  Only Tim Tebow could turn something like this down.  He WAS conceived by a virgin after all...

mmm...look at those cherries...

[/quote]
Lew,

Please refrain from putting pictures of my future wife on public display.  God bless Ali Larter, the reason I'll watch Heroes weekly (the little cheerleader girl is also nice and they used to have another blonde who I think is on CSI or something that was pretty tasty). 

[dlippiel]

The whipped cream bikini seen is based on actual events.  Only Tim Tebow could turn something like this down.  He WAS conceived by a virgin after all...

dlip is gettin real sick of Tebowmania. The kid is ****in nasty blah blah blah we all know it. Question is: will it translate to the next level? The ****in kid can't throw the ball longer than 20 yards. Will that work for him in the NFL? Who the **** knows. dlip is just seriously looking forward to Friday and the coming of the weekend in a big ****in way. dlip may even have to break into a random home and light the lamp a bit early. ****in long week.....dlip also heard Tebowmania wouldn't bang the whipped cream chick because she refused to become a Christian. Apparently the director cut that conversation and attempted conversion out of the movie.

[redswarm81]

Florida losses this week to LSU without Tebow............do they drop??

Hell yes they drop....and they should.

what's a tebow?

Sometimes its not the question on whether or not a team should drop in the rankings if a key player is injured, but it is how you might rank them once that player comes back at the end of the season.  For instance, what if Florida loses to LSU 14-10 without Tebow.  Then runs the table and goes 11-1 and blows out everyone else while LSU goes 11-1 and squeaks by all the teams Florida blows out, and loses to a team that Florida blows out.  Then you might rank Florida over LSU at the end of the season, since Florida is a better team with Tebow than without him.

Its science.

Say South Carolina beats the Florida Gators, does SC then jump higher than Florida due to the head to head matchup or does Florida drop but still remain ranked higher?  I may have Cortland ahead of Kean but Cortland was my 1 at the time, they dropped down and have since moved back up.  I don't think Kean is a better team at this time, they need to prove themselves.  Couple of more good wins against top NJAC teams and they will have proven themselves.

Good point.  Kean needs to prove themselves.  They need to prove that they can beat Cortland St. .  . . by a couple of touchdowns, maybe. . . . at Cortland, to boot.  Until they do that, there's no way anyone could figure Kean's a better team than Cortland St.

[JQV]

The ****in kid can't throw the ball longer than 20 yards.

Really?  He already has TD passes of 68, 38, and 44 this season .

[Jonny Utah]

The ****in kid can't throw the ball longer than 20 yards.

Really?  He already has TD passes of 68, 38, and 44 this season .

All screen passes.

Im joking of course, but we did talk about this 2 years ago when we were arguing who was a better college QB, Matt Ryan or Tim Tebow.  I saw a lot of Matt Ryan, and could see that his 15-30 out passes were some of the best passes I have ever seen at the college level (granted I haven't seen too much college football live.)  But my season tickets were in the upper endzone where you can really see what a great QB can do.

Tebow is going to need to throw those 15-25 yard out patterns if he is going to make it at the next level.  I haven't really noticed if he can make those throws or not. 

You go to those games Jose, how does he compare to Stafford or other great SEC qbs you have seen? (Jamarcus Russell excluded for obvious reasons)

[redswarm81]

Here is a picture of former Dawson's Creek star James Vanderbeek playing Tim Tebow in Varsity Blues.  Few people know that Tebow actually wrote the script to that movie years ago, and has been practicing his '30 minutes for 30 years' speech since he was in the womb.

+K...  SF was wondering if he was the only one who noticed that...

Since BEFORE he was in the womb, even.

[SJFF82]

Florida losses this week to LSU without Tebow............do they drop??

Hell yes they drop....and they should.

what's a tebow?

Sometimes its not the question on whether or not a team should drop in the rankings if a key player is injured, but it is how you might rank them once that player comes back at the end of the season.  For instance, what if Florida loses to LSU 14-10 without Tebow.  Then runs the table and goes 11-1 and blows out everyone else while LSU goes 11-1 and squeaks by all the teams Florida blows out, and loses to a team that Florida blows out.  Then you might rank Florida over LSU at the end of the season, since Florida is a better team with Tebow than without him.

Its science.

Say South Carolina beats the Florida Gators, does SC then jump higher than Florida due to the head to head matchup or does Florida drop but still remain ranked higher?  I may have Cortland ahead of Kean but Cortland was my 1 at the time, they dropped down and have since moved back up.  I don't think Kean is a better team at this time, they need to prove themselves.  Couple of more good wins against top NJAC teams and they will have proven themselves.

Good point.  Kean needs to prove themselves.  They need to prove that they can beat Cortland St. .  . . by a couple of touchdowns, maybe. . . . at Cortland, to boot.  Until they do that, there's no way anyone could figure Kean's a better team than Cortland St.

sarcasm aside, you clearly agree with KS's post then because you didnt answer his simple analogy of SC-FL.   Kean is SC and Cortland is FL. 

[JQV]

The ****in kid can't throw the ball longer than 20 yards.

Really?  He already has TD passes of 68, 38, and 44 this season .

All screen passes.

Im joking of course, but we did talk about this 2 years ago when we were arguing who was a better college QB, Matt Ryan or Tim Tebow.  I saw a lot of Matt Ryan, and could see that his 15-30 out passes were some of the best passes I have ever seen at the college level (granted I haven't seen too much college football live.)  But my season tickets were in the upper endzone where you can really see what a great QB can do.

Tebow is going to need to throw those 15-25 yard out patterns if he is going to make it at the next level.  I haven't really noticed if he can make those throws or not. 

You go to those games Jose, how does he compare to Stafford or other great SEC qbs you have seen? (Jamarcus Russell excluded for obvious reasons)

I think Tebow's arm strength is underrated because of all the other praise that gets dumped on him.  Based on the games I have seen, he has as good or better arm strength than alomst every other SEC quarterback in recent memory accept for Stafford.  (Side note, at Florida-Georgia two years ago, Stafford threw three amazing deep balls off his back foot while being smoked by Brandon Spikes.  His TE dropped all three.  Crazy.)  Urb's offense makes it a little difficult to gague Tebow's arm strength but, you have to see them live to realize how wide they line up and how quick he gets the ball all the way to the far sideline.

I think he has three potential problems as a NFL QB:

1) His release.  He has great arm strength but it takes a long time for the damn thing to come out.  Kind of like Russell.  The deception of the offense holds the defensive players' reaction times an extra beat which erases the problems caused by Timmy's long delivery.  Obviously, that won't be the case in the NFL.

2) Though it uses some funky formations and some different motion, Urb's offense is remarkably simple by all accounts.  I am not sure Tebow has been required to make the kind of reads and decisions a NFL offense wil require him to make.  Look how Alex Smith struggled after thriving under Urb.

3) Tebow has bad pocket presence, in part because he loves to run so damn much.  Also, as that blindside hit makes clear, he often has no idea where the pressure is coming from and if you can somehow keep him in the pocket, you can sack him.  This is sort of related to #2.

I still think he will be the best pro quarterback ever to come out of Florida but, that really isn't much of an honor at this point.  I guess the current leader would have to either be John Reaves or Shane Matthews.  I suppose you could also throw Rex Grossman into the mix since he made it to a Super Bowl.

[Jonny Utah]

Jose any word on why Tebow was nailed so quick on that concussion?  Did an Olineman miss a block?  Tebow miss a hot read?  Corner blitz that someone picked up instead?

[JQV]

OLine moved the protection to the right.  The end was supposed to be left unblocked and picked up by someone from the strong side.  Tebow was supposed to slide with the protection then decide whether to throw to a receiver in the flat on the strong side or pull it down and run back into the blitz.  They run that play all the time but, apparently, the TE looked like he was going to slip free over the middle so he froze for a second and got clobbered.

[Knightstalker]

The ****in kid can't throw the ball longer than 20 yards.

Really?  He already has TD passes of 68, 38, and 44 this season .

All screen passes.

Im joking of course, but we did talk about this 2 years ago when we were arguing who was a better college QB, Matt Ryan or Tim Tebow.  I saw a lot of Matt Ryan, and could see that his 15-30 out passes were some of the best passes I have ever seen at the college level (granted I haven't seen too much college football live.)  But my season tickets were in the upper endzone where you can really see what a great QB can do.

Tebow is going to need to throw those 15-25 yard out patterns if he is going to make it at the next level.  I haven't really noticed if he can make those throws or not. 

You go to those games Jose, how does he compare to Stafford or other great SEC qbs you have seen? (Jamarcus Russell excluded for obvious reasons)

I think Tebow's arm strength is underrated because of all the other praise that gets dumped on him.  Based on the games I have seen, he has as good or better arm strength than alomst every other SEC quarterback in recent memory accept for Stafford.  (Side note, at Florida-Georgia two years ago, Stafford threw three amazing deep balls off his back foot while being smoked by Brandon Spikes.  His TE dropped all three.  Crazy.)  Urb's offense makes it a little difficult to gague Tebow's arm strength but, you have to see them live to realize how wide they line up and how quick he gets the ball all the way to the far sideline.

I think he has three potential problems as a NFL QB:

1) His release.  He has great arm strength but it takes a long time for the damn thing to come out.  Kind of like Russell.  The deception of the offense holds the defensive players' reaction times an extra beat which erases the problems caused by Timmy's long delivery.  Obviously, that won't be the case in the NFL.

2) Though it uses some funky formations and some different motion, Urb's offense is remarkably simple by all accounts.  I am not sure Tebow has been required to make the kind of reads and decisions a NFL offense wil require him to make.  Look how Alex Smith struggled after thriving under Urb.

3) Tebow has bad pocket presence, in part because he loves to run so damn much.  Also, as that blindside hit makes clear, he often has no idea where the pressure is coming from and if you can somehow keep him in the pocket, you can sack him.  This is sort of related to #2.

I still think he will be the best pro quarterback ever to come out of Florida but, that really isn't much of an honor at this point.  I guess the current leader would have to either be John Reaves or Shane Matthews.  I suppose you could also throw Rex Grossman into the mix since he made it to a Super Bowl.

The release and pocket presence were two critiques of Elway when he was coming out, but everything else made up for them and coaching fixed the problems.

[redswarm81]

Sometimes its not the question on whether or not a team should drop in the rankings if a key player is injured, but it is how you might rank them once that player comes back at the end of the season.  For instance, what if Florida loses to LSU 14-10 without Tebow.  Then runs the table and goes 11-1 and blows out everyone else while LSU goes 11-1 and squeaks by all the teams Florida blows out, and loses to a team that Florida blows out.  Then you might rank Florida over LSU at the end of the season, since Florida is a better team with Tebow than without him.

Its science.

Say South Carolina beats the Florida Gators, does SC then jump higher than Florida due to the head to head matchup or does Florida drop but still remain ranked higher?  I may have Cortland ahead of Kean but Cortland was my 1 at the time, they dropped down and have since moved back up.  I don't think Kean is a better team at this time, they need to prove themselves.  Couple of more good wins against top NJAC teams and they will have proven themselves.

Good point.  Kean needs to prove themselves.  They need to prove that they can beat Cortland St. .  . . by a couple of touchdowns, maybe. . . . at Cortland, to boot.  Until they do that, there's no way anyone could figure Kean's a better team than Cortland St.

sarcasm aside, you clearly agree with KS's post then because you didnt answer his simple analogy of SC-FL.   Kean is SC and Cortland is FL. 

Sorry, I was distracted by the simple analogy of FL-LSU.

I clearly agree with KS, since as I stated several days ago, Kean didn't really beat Cortland St. . . . by two touchdowns. . . . at Cortland.

Just as clearly, Kean didn't really beat Trenton St. TCNJ after they didn't really beat Cortland St., especially since Trenton St. TCNJ wasn't really 3-0 when they didn't really get beat by Kean.

Pause.

Seriously. What evidence is there that Cortland St. is a better team than Kean?