East Region Fan Poll

[Knightstalker]

I don't have my panties in a bunch, they are resting comfortably. Victoria's Secret is quality.

I've never said Ithaca was a quality team, I've been saying they suck since week 1. I never said Fisher wasn't a quality team.

I pointed out that one statement you made implied that teams that score a lot of points must have played well.

Unrelated to this ongoing Creed - Balboa prizefight/Wrestlemania Steel Cage Death Match, I'm really struck by this comment, since it parallels a lot of my thinking/impressions.

I had no clue about any team's quality before Week 1.  However, those in the know said Ithaca was better than all but nine teams nationally.  Those same knowers said that Union sucked enough to receive zero Top 25 votes. St. John Fisher received enough votes for low spots to "rank" no. 32, two spots behind 2008's Ithaca killer, Curry.

After the first week, Ithaca was voted better than all but seven teams nationally, and SJF's pounding by MUC pushed them down to "no. 41."  Union continued to poll as suck.

Then, in Union's first game, they took it to Ithaca. (RS81's head begins to expand from a buildup of pressure)

Union follows that up with a loss to Muhlenberg, who has since looked barely better than mediocre, if that good.  (Pressure continues to build)

Ithaca strings together a few unimpressive wins, while SJFisher travels the country getting its @$$ handed to it.  SJF returns to NY, squeaks past Rochacha, and lays a monkeystomp on Ithaca.

My head is reaching the bursting point.  Is Union any good?  They beat Hobart, who's having a disappointing season.  How'd Union, 3-0 in the LL, lose to Muhlenberg, and beat Ithaca?  How'd SJFisher lose to Salisbury, and mash Ithaca into the turf?

I'm so confused.

Very good questions here RS. dlip can give you an answer...WHO THE **** KNOWS! dlip follows Union with his heart and soul and still cannot figure this team out as well as many others in our beautiful region here in the ****in East. dlip came away from Saturday feeling Union may actually be weaker than he thought unimpressed with many aspects of the Dutch game. Yet then he says, well they outplayed a supposedly solid Ithaca team, yet that solid Ithaca team got ****in vibrated by SJF who in turn got homoginized by Salisbury. Right now dlip looks at it this way, he is figuring in two weeks when Union goes down to Salisibury we will learn a lot about the East as a result of the outcome of that game.

I still wonder about Salisbury, they are a good team but I feel they are like springfield, a one trick pony.  They tend to do well in the regular season and maybe the first round of the playoffs but then they get taken care of by a balanced team.

As for the rest, it is just how football plays out, who thought the TN Titans would suck as much as they do this year?

[gordonmann]

As another point of comparison, the ECAC runs the Lambert Poll which ranks the top 10 teams in the ECAC's coverage area.  That coverage area is more expansive than the fan poll's since it includes the ACFC, PAC and Centennial but you might find it interesting.

The first Lambert poll for the year was published today.

I vote in this poll, though my ballot is substantially different from this week's final result.

[Knightstalker]

As another point of comparison, the ECAC runs the Lambert Poll which ranks the top 10 teams in the ECAC's coverage area.  That coverage area is more expansive than the fan poll's since it includes the ACFC, PAC and Centennial but you might find it interesting.

The first Lambert poll for the year was published today.

I vote in this poll, though my ballot is substantially different from this week's final result.

Here is the poll Gordon speaks of.
ECAC® Lambert Meadowlands Division III Football Poll
presented by FieldTurf Tarkett

1. Wesley                         

2. Washington & Jefferson     

3. Alfred                             

4. Albright                           

5. Thomas More                     

6. Delaware Valley           

7. Kean                               

8. Cortland State                     

9. Ithaca                                 

10. Union                         

[SaintsFAN]

As another point of comparison, the ECAC runs the Lambert Poll which ranks the top 10 teams in the ECAC's coverage area.  That coverage area is more expansive than the fan poll's since it includes the ACFC, PAC and Centennial but you might find it interesting.

The first Lambert poll for the year was published today.

I vote in this poll, though my ballot is substantially different from this week's final result.

SF likes the fact that TMC is defending-PAC Champs but behind W&J in every poll.  It means the Saints aren't the favorites in the PAC and thus don't have to deal with expectations.

[AUKaz00]

I know nobody is saying it cuz they dont want to be 'that' guy, but I have always been that guy so here goes...Alfred is not the Number 1 team in the east.  For poll purposes fine...they are undefeated and seem to be the 'easy' popular choice.  Fact is...they have never lived up to their billing in the past, so why now as a No. 1 will they?  So far they have taken care of their business but have not been really tested.  I dont know much about Albright, but I say AU would lose 3 outta 5 to Kean, Del Val and Fisher. 4 outta 5 to Rowan.  Union is the only team within striking distance in this poll they could probably handle regularly.  I have always liked and respected AU...love going to Merrill.

When all is said and done in the East though, AU will be 5-7 in most polls.

Pep and Kaz00 can agree that it's too early to anoint the Saxons as King of the East Region. AU is taking care of business, but AU didn't open with Mount Union or travel to southern Maryland for Salisbury Steak...so Oct. 24 at Growney will be the Saxons' next test.

The only thing Pep would contend in your statement, '82, is that AU, if memory serves Pep correctly, never has had "a billing" to live up to. Pep doesn't recall the Saxons ever being favored to sweep through the E8. The Saxons just have a recent past of hanging around and making things interesting...and perhaps that will be the case again in 2009. Who knows? But win or lose, the ride on the bandwagon has been a blast! Stay tuned.....

On Saxon Warriors!

Pep, by their "billing" I wasnt referring to having been favored in the E8, certainly that has never been the case.   You would agree though that a few times in the past half-decade AU has been kinda the team that many have said "this is going to be the year they put it together" and then its always the IC-SJF-3RD TEAM (?) stretch that nips them.

I just dont see why everyone sees this year as any different. I guess maybe many power teams have slipped back to them in the East and SJF has been scheduling giants to start the season so their record doesnt looks all that good 5 games in.

We'll see of course...

82,
If anyone can understand how a team can turn around their fortunes it should be you.  Back when you played for Fisher, the Cardinals couldn't do anything right....look how far they have come.

Cut Alfred some slack....they are a very well deserving #1....regardless of your barbs.

leave it to someone....especially you, to try and make something out of nothing.  There was no barbs at AU....just my opinion that they are not the Beast of the East yet. 

I know I'm late to the party, but it's Columbus Day and I was out working the clayish Alfred soil.  Here are my thoughts:

Pep and I have both thought that Alfred is a top 40 team this year and they way they've played thus far has reinforced that opinion.  Are they the best team in the East?  Probably not, but they haven't done anything outside of sleepwalk through the third quarter in Madison and need to squeak by FDU to prove otherwise.  Alfred could certainly lose 3 of their remaining games a la 2007, so the jury is still out of the 2009 Saxons.

I also think there are generalizations of fan bases on these boards due to past posts.  It may not be fair, but they exist.  For instance, Alfred posters seem to be viewed as relatively even-keeled and slowly (or perhaps quickly) going insane from our geographic isolation to civilization.  Fisher posters are by-and-large seen as Johnny-come-lately, fair weather fans who are most concerned about their perceived place within the East Region.  This is reiterated by things like the thread started by 82 about how good Fisher is because of Saterday's win at Ithaca and the reappearance of Superman57 after months away.  And Soup may very well have been deployed and just gotten back stateside or gotten an internet connection in Kabul, but the timing is at the very least suspect.

Additionally, there are a number of posters here who root for the East Region even if their team is not the one taking on the Purple People Eaters in December.  And if Fisher with their 2 bad out of region loses is the best team in the East, which is quite possible and is hard to dispute with their 3-0 in region record, then the East looks REALLY weak.  If Fisher comes out on top of the mess which is the East, then that would be like being the top eunuch in a king's court.  Sure it's great to be on top, but you've got no balls.  And for that reason, many East Region fans are hoping that someone other than Fisher is the top dog so the East isn't the red-headed stepchild of D3 football.

[redswarm81]

As another point of comparison, the ECAC runs the Lambert Poll which ranks the top 10 teams in the ECAC's coverage area.  That coverage area is more expansive than the fan poll's since it includes the ACFC, PAC and Centennial but you might find it interesting.

The first Lambert poll for the year was published today.

I vote in this poll, though my ballot is substantially different from this week's final result.

Here is the poll Gordon speaks of.
ECAC® Lambert Meadowlands Division III Football Poll
presented by FieldTurf Tarkett

1. Wesley                         

2. Washington & Jefferson     

3. Alfred                             

4. Albright                           

5. Thomas More                     

6. Delaware Valley           

7. Kean                               

8. Cortland State                     

9. Ithaca                                 

10. Union                         

What a GREAT poll.  This might be the best poll I've ever seen.

Cortland ranked behind Kean.  Sheesh--everybody knows Kean didn't really beat Cortland.

Union ranked behind Ithaca.

Ithaca ranked.

SJFisher?

[Doid23]

I vote in this poll, though my ballot is substantially different from this week's final result.

I'm glad you made that clear, for your sake, because that is one HORRENDOUS poll at the bottom. Wow.

[dlippiel]

I vote in this poll, though my ballot is substantially different from this week's final result.

I'm glad you made that clear, for your sake, because that is one HORRENDOUS poll at the bottom. Wow.

****ing horrendous for sure!

[theoriginalupstate]

I vote in this poll, though my ballot is substantially different from this week's final result.

I'm glad you made that clear, for your sake, because that is one HORRENDOUS poll at the bottom. Wow.

****ing horrendous for sure!

Have to agree...

[pg04]

Still Missing 3... Have to wait until tomorrow to post... 

[gordonmann]

I have 8 of the 10 teams in the Lambert poll on my ballot but not in the order in which they appear.  Instead of Cortland State and Ithaca, I have Rowan and Johns Hopkins.

[MontclairFan]

I am still wondering how Cortland is ranked in any polls.  They have lost 2 games and down to their 3rd string quarterback so I don't see much hope in resurrecting this season and I am sure if there is anyone else who have seen Cortland play, they should agree.

[dlippiel]

I have 8 of the 10 teams in the Lambert poll on my ballot but not in the order in which they appear.  Instead of Cortland State and Ithaca, I have Rowan and Johns Hopkins.

dlip feels Rowan is a very legitimate team that is gaining momentum each week, especially with the return of Frank W at QB. As of right now dlip would definitely have them in this poll Gordon. dlip also is confused as to Ithaca and Cortland State's apperance in the poll. What the heck does a team have to do to get moved out of that top 10?

[Boxer7806]

I think in its own bizarre way, the poll is finally sorting itself out. I'm not sold on Rowan as much as some other people are in the room. I have them 6th in my poll but that could all change in the next couple weeks as they have some key games in the conference. It should be interesting.

[SJFF82]

I don't have my panties in a bunch, they are resting comfortably. Victoria's Secret is quality.

I've never said Ithaca was a quality team, I've been saying they suck since week 1. I never said Fisher wasn't a quality team.

I pointed out that one statement you made implied that teams that score a lot of points must have played well.

Unrelated to this ongoing Creed - Balboa prizefight/Wrestlemania Steel Cage Death Match, I'm really struck by this comment, since it parallels a lot of my thinking/impressions.

I had no clue about any team's quality before Week 1.  However, those in the know said Ithaca was better than all but nine teams nationally.  Those same knowers said that Union sucked enough to receive zero Top 25 votes. St. John Fisher received enough votes for low spots to "rank" no. 32, two spots behind 2008's Ithaca killer, Curry.

After the first week, Ithaca was voted better than all but seven teams nationally, and SJF's pounding by MUC pushed them down to "no. 41."  Union continued to poll as suck.

Then, in Union's first game, they took it to Ithaca. (RS81's head begins to expand from a buildup of pressure)

Union follows that up with a loss to Muhlenberg, who has since looked barely better than mediocre, if that good.  (Pressure continues to build)

Ithaca strings together a few unimpressive wins, while SJFisher travels the country getting its @$$ handed to it.  SJF returns to NY, squeaks past Rochacha, and lays a monkeystomp on Ithaca.

My head is reaching the bursting point.  Is Union any good?  They beat Hobart, who's having a disappointing season.  How'd Union, 3-0 in the LL, lose to Muhlenberg, and beat Ithaca?  How'd SJFisher lose to Salisbury, and mash Ithaca into the turf?

I'm so confused.

great post