East Region Fan Poll

[SJFF82]

As another point of comparison, the ECAC runs the Lambert Poll which ranks the top 10 teams in the ECAC's coverage area.  That coverage area is more expansive than the fan poll's since it includes the ACFC, PAC and Centennial but you might find it interesting.

The first Lambert poll for the year was published today.

I vote in this poll, though my ballot is substantially different from this week's final result.

ECAC® Lambert Meadowlands Division III Football Poll
presented by FieldTurf Tarkett

1. Wesley                         

2. Washington & Jefferson   

3. Alfred                             

4. Albright                         

5. Thomas More                     

6. Delaware Valley           

7. Kean                             

8. Cortland State                   

9. Ithaca                                 

10. Union     

This is funny... 

(and I dont mean that Union is at 10. generally)                   

[PBR...]

As another point of comparison, the ECAC runs the Lambert Poll which ranks the top 10 teams in the ECAC's coverage area.  That coverage area is more expansive than the fan poll's since it includes the ACFC, PAC and Centennial but you might find it interesting.

The first Lambert poll for the year was published today.

I vote in this poll, though my ballot is substantially different from this week's final result.

ECAC® Lambert Meadowlands Division III Football Poll
presented by FieldTurf Tarkett

1. Wesley                         

2. Washington & Jefferson   

3. Alfred                             

4. Albright                         

5. Thomas More                     

6. Delaware Valley           

7. Kean                             

8. Cortland State                   

9. Ithaca                                 

10. Union     

This is funny... 

(and I dont mean that Union is at 10. generally)                   

dood we get it already...u think sjf should be #1 and we should all bow down on our knees and turn to south hill to give thanks to sjf for gracing the college football world....

[BoSox0322]

As another point of comparison, the ECAC runs the Lambert Poll which ranks the top 10 teams in the ECAC's coverage area.  That coverage area is more expansive than the fan poll's since it includes the ACFC, PAC and Centennial but you might find it interesting.

The first Lambert poll for the year was published today.

I vote in this poll, though my ballot is substantially different from this week's final result.

ECAC® Lambert Meadowlands Division III Football Poll
presented by FieldTurf Tarkett

1. Wesley                         

2. Washington & Jefferson   

3. Alfred                             

4. Albright                         

5. Thomas More                     

6. Delaware Valley           

7. Kean                             

8. Cortland State                   

9. Ithaca                                 

10. Union     

This is funny... 

(and I dont mean that Union is at 10. generally)                   

when is this ranking from?  last week?

[SJFF82]

I know nobody is saying it cuz they dont want to be 'that' guy, but I have always been that guy so here goes...Alfred is not the Number 1 team in the east.  For poll purposes fine...they are undefeated and seem to be the 'easy' popular choice.  Fact is...they have never lived up to their billing in the past, so why now as a No. 1 will they?  So far they have taken care of their business but have not been really tested.  I dont know much about Albright, but I say AU would lose 3 outta 5 to Kean, Del Val and Fisher. 4 outta 5 to Rowan.  Union is the only team within striking distance in this poll they could probably handle regularly.  I have always liked and respected AU...love going to Merrill.

When all is said and done in the East though, AU will be 5-7 in most polls.

Pep and Kaz00 can agree that it's too early to anoint the Saxons as King of the East Region. AU is taking care of business, but AU didn't open with Mount Union or travel to southern Maryland for Salisbury Steak...so Oct. 24 at Growney will be the Saxons' next test.

The only thing Pep would contend in your statement, '82, is that AU, if memory serves Pep correctly, never has had "a billing" to live up to. Pep doesn't recall the Saxons ever being favored to sweep through the E8. The Saxons just have a recent past of hanging around and making things interesting...and perhaps that will be the case again in 2009. Who knows? But win or lose, the ride on the bandwagon has been a blast! Stay tuned.....

On Saxon Warriors!

Pep, by their "billing" I wasnt referring to having been favored in the E8, certainly that has never been the case.   You would agree though that a few times in the past half-decade AU has been kinda the team that many have said "this is going to be the year they put it together" and then its always the IC-SJF-3RD TEAM (?) stretch that nips them.

I just dont see why everyone sees this year as any different. I guess maybe many power teams have slipped back to them in the East and SJF has been scheduling giants to start the season so their record doesnt looks all that good 5 games in.

We'll see of course...

82,
If anyone can understand how a team can turn around their fortunes it should be you.  Back when you played for Fisher, the Cardinals couldn't do anything right....look how far they have come.

Cut Alfred some slack....they are a very well deserving #1....regardless of your barbs.

leave it to someone....especially you, to try and make something out of nothing.  There was no barbs at AU....just my opinion that they are not the Beast of the East yet.  

I know I'm late to the party, but it's Columbus Day and I was out working the clayish Alfred soil.  Here are my thoughts:

Pep and I have both thought that Alfred is a top 40 team this year and they way they've played thus far has reinforced that opinion.  Are they the best team in the East?  Probably not, but they haven't done anything outside of sleepwalk through the third quarter in Madison and need to squeak by FDU to prove otherwise.  Alfred could certainly lose 3 of their remaining games a la 2007, so the jury is still out of the 2009 Saxons.

I also think there are generalizations of fan bases on these boards due to past posts.  It may not be fair, but they exist.  For instance, Alfred posters seem to be viewed as relatively even-keeled and slowly (or perhaps quickly) going insane from our geographic isolation to civilization.  Fisher posters are by-and-large seen as Johnny-come-lately, fair weather fans who are most concerned about their perceived place within the East Region.  This is reiterated by things like the thread started by 82 about how good Fisher is because of Saterday's win at Ithaca and the reappearance of Superman57 after months away.  And Soup may very well have been deployed and just gotten back stateside or gotten an internet connection in Kabul, but the timing is at the very least suspect.

Additionally, there are a number of posters here who root for the East Region even if their team is not the one taking on the Purple People Eaters in December.  And if Fisher with their 2 bad out of region loses is the best team in the East, which is quite possible and is hard to dispute with their 3-0 in region record, then the East looks REALLY weak.  If Fisher comes out on top of the mess which is the East, then that would be like being the top eunuch in a king's court.  Sure it's great to be on top, but you've got no balls.  And for that reason, many East Region fans are hoping that someone other than Fisher is the top dog so the East isn't the red-headed stepchild of D3 football.

NO...the incorrect generalizations are a result of statements like this (BOLDED ABOVE).  This whole rediculous idea that Fisher should be #1 in the East and/or that I implied(cuz I certainly never said it) started when I simply opined that AU was not #1.  THEN, a couple of Fisher haters out there, smelled blood and immediately began to post disconnected statements attributing that Fisher "was a very good team" and an "Elite team" to me all because I said AU was not #1.  In turn the thread I began was done as a joke (obviously too many people think this stuff on here is like real life or something) poking fun at Maxpower's twisted comment about the relative strenght of SJF-IC.  You see Kaz00....Maxpower downplayed Fisher, I did not puff Fisher up because of any win....the win speaks for itself.  

Fisher fans are not "johnny come latelys". They are just like everyother fan base on here....they root for their team, sometimes get a bit obnoxious on here, and many times get hypocritical when it is their team that gets Monkeystomped....ala "well my team [IC]  isnt that good this year anyway so your team [SJF] isnt that good for having beaten us into submission at our Homecoming, which was our first homecoming loss to a DIII school EVER....oops, sorry.

And your last comments are just atrocious.  To claim that Fisher would not be worthy of the East #1....just because they are Fisher...sounds like you are anticipating an outcome in 2 weeks.  Can only an undefeated team be worthy of #1 in the end.   If Fisher runs the table having beat AU, are they not deserving of #1 because AU and IC really werent that good.  Can we know ahead of time which teams are worth beating?

Obviously the EAST is piss-poor top to bottom...FROM A NATIONAL COMPARISON...but to already declare a Fisher win over AU a disaster for the East is unfair to AU and Fisher.

[maxpower]

82... are you beginning to think that maybe I'm just a figment of your imagination?

[SJFF82]

82... are you beginning to think that maybe I'm just a figment of your imagination?

Maybe....I am actually starting wonder if I am crazy, because everytime I read a reply that is clearly non-responsive to my post, like  "AU is not #1"   and the reply is "Well Fisher is not an elite team like you say because IC wasnt really that good as the #20 team in the country"   I feel like RedSwarm81 like my head is going to explode.

[AUKaz00]

82... are you beginning to think that maybe I'm just a figment of your imagination?

Maybe....I am actually starting wonder if I am crazy, because everytime I read a reply that is clearly non-responsive to my post, like  "AU is not #1"   and the reply is "Well Fisher is not an elite team like you say because IC wasnt really that good as the #20 team in the country"   I feel like RedSwarm81 like my head is going to explode.

82,
  If you're going to take the time to go through my post and bold phrases, how about these two which address your post thesis:

Pep and I have both thought that Alfred is a top 40 team this year and they way they've played thus far has reinforced that opinion.  Are they the best team in the East?  Probably not, but they haven't done anything outside of sleepwalk through the third quarter in Madison and need to squeak by FDU to prove otherwise.  Alfred could certainly lose 3 of their remaining games a la 2007, so the jury is still out of the 2009 Saxons.

And

And if Fisher with their 2 bad out of region loses is the best team in the East, which is quite possible and is hard to dispute with their 3-0 in region record, then the East looks REALLY weak.

Nowhere in there did I say that Fisher couldn't or shouldn't be the best team in the East, but rather that a large portion of the East Region fans hope they aren't for the ramifications that would ensue (ie further proof of East Region irrelevance nationally).

[Doid23]

I know nobody is saying it cuz they dont want to be 'that' guy, but I have always been that guy so here goes...

After reading your recent posts, I realize that you are in fact "that" guy, only it's not the guy you think.....

[boobyhasgameyo]

I say the entire conversation has run its course, no need to keep arguing about semantics....

[SJFF82]

82... are you beginning to think that maybe I'm just a figment of your imagination?

Maybe....I am actually starting wonder if I am crazy, because everytime I read a reply that is clearly non-responsive to my post, like  "AU is not #1"   and the reply is "Well Fisher is not an elite team like you say because IC wasnt really that good as the #20 team in the country"   I feel like RedSwarm81 like my head is going to explode.

82,
  If you're going to take the time to go through my post and bold phrases, how about these two which address your post thesis:

Pep and I have both thought that Alfred is a top 40 team this year and they way they've played thus far has reinforced that opinion.  Are they the best team in the East?  Probably not, but they haven't done anything outside of sleepwalk through the third quarter in Madison and need to squeak by FDU to prove otherwise.  Alfred could certainly lose 3 of their remaining games a la 2007, so the jury is still out of the 2009 Saxons.

And

And if Fisher with their 2 bad out of region loses is the best team in the East, which is quite possible and is hard to dispute with their 3-0 in region record, then the East looks REALLY weak.

Nowhere in there did I say that Fisher couldn't or shouldn't be the best team in the East, but rather that a large portion of the East Region fans hope they aren't for the ramifications that would ensue (ie further proof of East Region irrelevance nationally).

Really...the only team in the East that has had success on a national stage in the past 4 years would be the ONE team from the East that would prove its irrelevance.....Really?  Maybe AU as our number 1 shows how weak the East has become....dont you think that is more accurate?

[Knightstalker]

82... are you beginning to think that maybe I'm just a figment of your imagination?

Maybe....I am actually starting wonder if I am crazy, because everytime I read a reply that is clearly non-responsive to my post, like  "AU is not #1"   and the reply is "Well Fisher is not an elite team like you say because IC wasnt really that good as the #20 team in the country"   I feel like RedSwarm81 like my head is going to explode.

82,
  If you're going to take the time to go through my post and bold phrases, how about these two which address your post thesis:

Pep and I have both thought that Alfred is a top 40 team this year and they way they've played thus far has reinforced that opinion.  Are they the best team in the East?  Probably not, but they haven't done anything outside of sleepwalk through the third quarter in Madison and need to squeak by FDU to prove otherwise.  Alfred could certainly lose 3 of their remaining games a la 2007, so the jury is still out of the 2009 Saxons.

And

And if Fisher with their 2 bad out of region loses is the best team in the East, which is quite possible and is hard to dispute with their 3-0 in region record, then the East looks REALLY weak.

Nowhere in there did I say that Fisher couldn't or shouldn't be the best team in the East, but rather that a large portion of the East Region fans hope they aren't for the ramifications that would ensue (ie further proof of East Region irrelevance nationally).

Really...the only team in the East that has had success on a national stage in the past 4 years would be the ONE team from the East that would prove its irrelevance.....Really?  Maybe AU as our number 1 shows how weak the East has become....dont you think that is more accurate?

2004 Rowan loses in National Semifinals to eventual champ Linfield.  SJF lost to 26-20 to Del Val in second round
2005 Rowan loses in National Semifinals to eventual champ MUC, NO SJF in playoffs.
2006 SJF loses in National semifinals to eventual champ MUC.
2007 SJF losed in regional finals to MUC.
2008 Cortland loses to MUC in the regional finals, NO SJF in playoffs.

I don't think only one East team has had success on the national stage the last 5 years.  How can one team have success on the national stage for the last four years when they have only made the playoffs two of those years?

[AUPepBand]

2004 Rowan loses in National Semifinals to eventual champ Linfield.  SJF lost to 26-20 to Del Val in second round
2005 Rowan loses in National Semifinals to eventual champ MUC, NO SJF in playoffs.
2006 SJF loses in National semifinals to eventual champ MUC.
2007 SJF losed in regional finals to MUC.
2008 Cortland loses to MUC in the regional finals, NO SJF in playoffs.

I don't think only one East team has had success on the national stage the last 5 years.  How can one team have success on the national stage for the last four years when they have only made the playoffs two of those years?

+K for KS....because that will give KS an even K!  Kongrats!

[JQV]

How can one team have success on the national stage for the last four years when they have only made the playoffs two of those years?

Depends on how you define "success."

If you go solely by the opinion of guys that played on a club team that had all their wins stripped, then Fisher is the only team with national success...ever.

[Mr. Ypsi]

KS, but NONE of them actually had success on the NATIONAL stage - after all, SOMEONE had to win the east region!  Note that all five years they lost the first game they played against a non-east team.

[AUKaz00]

Really...the only team in the East that has had success on a national stage in the past 4 years would be the ONE team from the East that would prove its irrelevance.....Really?  Maybe AU as our number 1 shows how weak the East has become....dont you think that is more accurate?

I would argue that no East Region team has had success on the national stage, but I believe the national stage to be the national semis and finals and by that logic no East team has been successful at that level this decade.  Plus, how does the 2006 Fisher team carry any relevance to 2009?

Alfred hasn't lost two out of region games this year, so the direct comparison to the North and the South aren't as easy with them.  Is Alfred an elite team, probably not, but time will tell.  However, if a team which has lost to teams from the North and South finishs top of the region, that certainly bodes poorly for the region as opposed to another team finishing atop by beating the first one and providing a certain degree of counterbalance for the region.  In this thread, most readers are rooting for the latter regardless of who that team is.  I hope that Alfred can develop into and perform like that second team, but I'm going to enjoy the remaining games regardless of the end result (more so if the Saxons win, obviously).