East Region Fan Poll

[AUPepBand]

I salute your loyalty, but that puts you in a tiny minority.

Leaving aside MUC, would you want to put money on the East's best against Wheaton, Capital, Wabash, NCC, Case Western, Otterbein, etc.?

Would I put my money on it? No. But then, I wouldn't put my money on the North either.

This isn't a loyalty issue. I've been on the same boat as everyone else, the East is inferior, etc. But then when I remove the Mt. U factor, and looked at the numbers, a different story emerges.

I guess I'll flip it on you...what leads you to the conclusion that Wheaton, Capital, Wabash, NCC, Case Western, Otterbein, etc. are better than Ithaca, Rowan, Fisher, Union, RPI, Cortland, etc.? Certainly, their results against their only common opponent (Mt. U) say that their pretty equal. Equally bad, maybe,  but equal.

Alfred has played Case Western in 2004 and 2005 and beat them 35-3 at Merrill Field and 14-0 at Case in a steady downpour, at which the band was not allowed to use its EZ-Up shelter in the stands (where no one was sitting) and therefore was DRENCHED. Case does NOT play in the OAC.

Likewise, Alfred has played Otterbein waaaaaay back and was successful, although Pep is aware that Otterbein is vastly improved from those days (as is Alfred).

Pep knows that Alfred has only EIGHT games on its schedule for 2010....perhaps it's time to schedule one of the aforementioneds?

[pg04]

PG,
Good looking out helping that woman on the ECFC board.  I'm just surprised you didn't set up a time to personally explain all the nuances of the Pool B & C's to her.....you get a gold star for your forehead.

I'm not sure what the point of this statement was.  I gave her a link, but that was still more than anyone else did...

Not even busting chops....I thought it was nice of you...hoenestly, good job....easy boy....

Sorry, sometimes I have trouble reading the tone of responses  .  Unfortunately no one's returned to that board since I posted there!

[Pat Coleman]

So would John Carroll.

Pat is going to continue to reference that John Carroll run 40 years from now God bless him...

At least until the NCAA puts another OAC runner-up in the East.

[Pat Coleman]

How come Union and RPI gets mentioned but not Bart?  (just kidding....sort of)

I agree with the point though.  Even the John Carroll example, which can easily be considered an outlier (at least its seeding of #7 in the east, but that's on the NCAA and their cheapness) since their biggest win against Hobart was 27-7 (where Hobart was up 7-0, fumbled on the JCU 3 which was taken back 97 yards, boy that sounds familiar right now, and Bart lost their will against the 11th ranked team in the country - total yards were about the same and our future Galiardi finalist QB threw 2 picks vs. their, I believe Gagliardi finalist Arth who didn't), they beat 4 seeded Muhlenburg 21-10 and then won 16-10 in OT against Brockport (who knocked out #1 seeded Rowan by 3 the week before).  Basically JCU was about the same as the top 2-3 teams in the East that year then they got stuck by MUC.  So how is that different than having an MUC that's out of this world and everyone else? 

Two key things get lost in the spin here:

1) John Carroll was playing every game after, what, 8-hour bus rides? (Except Brockport)
2) Tom Arth was hurt and not at all at 100 percent.

[JT]

How come Union and RPI gets mentioned but not Bart?  (just kidding....sort of)

I agree with the point though.  Even the John Carroll example, which can easily be considered an outlier (at least its seeding of #7 in the east, but that's on the NCAA and their cheapness) since their biggest win against Hobart was 27-7 (where Hobart was up 7-0, fumbled on the JCU 3 which was taken back 97 yards, boy that sounds familiar right now, and Bart lost their will against the 11th ranked team in the country - total yards were about the same and our future Galiardi finalist QB threw 2 picks vs. their, I believe Gagliardi finalist Arth who didn't), they beat 4 seeded Muhlenburg 21-10 and then won 16-10 in OT against Brockport (who knocked out #1 seeded Rowan by 3 the week before).  Basically JCU was about the same as the top 2-3 teams in the East that year then they got stuck by MUC.  So how is that different than having an MUC that's out of this world and everyone else? 

Two key things get lost in the spin here:

1) John Carroll was playing every game after, what, 8-hour bus rides? (Except Brockport)
2) Tom Arth was hurt and not at all at 100 percent.

Rowan had no answer for Brockport's DE's that year.  They were in the backfield most of the game.

[pumkinattack]

It strikes me that calling it spin is accusatory and implies some knowledge of intent, but whatever.  

Does that mean that if JCU only had to travel to, say Alliance, and Arth had been healthy that game would've been significantly different?  Or does that mean that everyone is positive that JCU would've fared differently had they played other Northern teams prior to getting to MUC in the North?  I guess the point is that there's an assumption that JCU was inferior to other Northern playoff teams (except MUC), but yet better than the east.  Who would've beaten JCU in the North that year other than MUC?  (serious question because in the east, all we see is that MUC beats Northern and Eastern teams in a similar fashion - even in the two close Capital games, they only beat SJF and Rowan by less than two TD's AND those teams had to travel pretty far to Alliance)  So I'm inferring from your comments that at least one and maybe more than one non-MUC teams in the north would've beaten JCU.  Who are they.

(And Arth was the only QB to play in the Hobart game going 7-13 with 3 tds and 3 sacks in really crappy weather where both teams put up roughly 200 yard of total offense)

[pg04]

How come Union and RPI gets mentioned but not Bart?  (just kidding....sort of)

I agree with the point though.  Even the John Carroll example, which can easily be considered an outlier (at least its seeding of #7 in the east, but that's on the NCAA and their cheapness) since their biggest win against Hobart was 27-7 (where Hobart was up 7-0, fumbled on the JCU 3 which was taken back 97 yards, boy that sounds familiar right now, and Bart lost their will against the 11th ranked team in the country - total yards were about the same and our future Galiardi finalist QB threw 2 picks vs. their, I believe Gagliardi finalist Arth who didn't), they beat 4 seeded Muhlenburg 21-10 and then won 16-10 in OT against Brockport (who knocked out #1 seeded Rowan by 3 the week before).  Basically JCU was about the same as the top 2-3 teams in the East that year then they got stuck by MUC.  So how is that different than having an MUC that's out of this world and everyone else? 

Two key things get lost in the spin here:

1) John Carroll was playing every game after, what, 8-hour bus rides? (Except Brockport)
2) Tom Arth was hurt and not at all at 100 percent.

And wasn't Brockport's 3rd string QB in the game?  It certainly wasn't Darnley. 

[Doid23]

Two key things get lost in the spin here:

1) John Carroll was playing every game after, what, 8-hour bus rides? (Except Brockport)
2) Tom Arth was hurt and not at all at 100 percent.

Spin? How so? Just presented facts.

[maxpower]

Two key things get lost in the spin here:

1) John Carroll was playing every game after, what, 8-hour bus rides? (Except Brockport)
2) Tom Arth was hurt and not at all at 100 percent.

Spin? How so? Just presented facts.

Think he means the wash....

[union89]

PG,
Good looking out helping that woman on the ECFC board.  I'm just surprised you didn't set up a time to personally explain all the nuances of the Pool B & C's to her.....you get a gold star for your forehead.

I'm not sure what the point of this statement was.  I gave her a link, but that was still more than anyone else did...

Not even busting chops....I thought it was nice of you...hoenestly, good job....easy boy....

Sorry, sometimes I have trouble reading the tone of responses  .  Unfortunately no one's returned to that board since I posted there!

I hear ya....tumbleweed.

[dlippiel]

How come Union and RPI gets mentioned but not Bart?  (just kidding....sort of)

I agree with the point though.  Even the John Carroll example, which can easily be considered an outlier (at least its seeding of #7 in the east, but that's on the NCAA and their cheapness) since their biggest win against Hobart was 27-7 (where Hobart was up 7-0, fumbled on the JCU 3 which was taken back 97 yards, boy that sounds familiar right now, and Bart lost their will against the 11th ranked team in the country - total yards were about the same and our future Galiardi finalist QB threw 2 picks vs. their, I believe Gagliardi finalist Arth who didn't), they beat 4 seeded Muhlenburg 21-10 and then won 16-10 in OT against Brockport (who knocked out #1 seeded Rowan by 3 the week before).  Basically JCU was about the same as the top 2-3 teams in the East that year then they got stuck by MUC.  So how is that different than having an MUC that's out of this world and everyone else?  

Two key things get lost in the spin here:

1) John Carroll was playing every game after, what, 8-hour bus rides? (Except Brockport)
2) Tom Arth was hurt and not at all at 100 percent.

The spin? Ummmmmm wtf

[NYGiants02]

Normally I just read thoughts on here, but I am compelled to bring this up, just out of curiosity to see how some of pollsters think on here.

Kean is ahead of Rowan on the East Region Fan Poll, both have 1 loss... Kean to Del Val at home and Rowan on the road to Cortland minus their starting QB and Cortland still with Pitcher playing.  Comparable losses, but my thinking is that Rowan is a proven program and has been to the dance before, although never winning it.  Kean does not have the same record of playoff runs as Rowan, so a 1 loss Rowan team would get the nod in my mind before a 1 loss Kean team.  I know, every year is different... Teams differ from year to year, just my thought process and was curious to see if anyone agrees. 

[theoriginalupstate]

Normally I just read thoughts on here, but I am compelled to bring this up, just out of curiosity to see how some of pollsters think on here.

Kean is ahead of Rowan on the East Region Fan Poll, both have 1 loss... Kean to Del Val at home and Rowan on the road to Cortland minus their starting QB and Cortland still with Pitcher playing.  Comparable losses, but my thinking is that Rowan is a proven program and has been to the dance before, although never winning it.  Kean does not have the same record of playoff runs as Rowan, so a 1 loss Rowan team would get the nod in my mind before a 1 loss Kean team.  I know, every year is different... Teams differ from year to year, just my thought process and was curious to see if anyone agrees. 

I've got Rowan at #2...

They have been killing teams...

If Wilczynski plays vs Cortland they wouldn't have lost...

If they didn't slip up vs Cortland they would be the Easts best chance at a #1 seed...

[RedDragonFan]

Not sure that I agree that Cortland loses with Rowan's first string QB but hell that's why we got boards to post on...the kid that played for Rowan held his own and Rowan gained more overall yards than Cortland if I recall correctly.  The kid ran one in for a TD.  Cortland D shut them down in the 2nd half...game 2 of the season Cortland was firing on all cylinders and would have had a very good chance of winning even with the starting QB for Rowan in that game.  Just my opinion.  Now in week 7 with all that's happened to CState, Rowan wins with the kid that played week two if they replayed tomorrow. 

All that said, I believe Rowan should be over Kean for many of the reasons you stated.  I just think they are overall a more solid team on both sides of the ball and therefore the better team.

[union89]

No question, I would have Kean ahead of Rowan at this point in the season......

It will all be clarified on Halloween.