East Region Fan Poll

[AUKaz00]

There are very few teams in the east (3-4) that would have a better record than SJF if they had SJF's schedule...

I'm not so sure.  How good is Salisbury?  They've lost to NC Wesleyan who lost to Emory and Henry who isn't exactly the cream of the ODAC (who sent their winner to the East as the 8 seed last year) and to Christopher Newport who lost to Wilkes who most of us think is down quite a bit this year.  Now with an offense like theirs it may lead to more divergent results than a more traditional offense, but I still think there are more than 3 or 4 east teams that could be 5-1 with Fisher's schedule.

AU, Rowan, Del Valley and Albright are those 4 teams I was referring to...

Other than those I don't see too many teams going into Salisbury and fairing any better...

I think Kean and Springfield would fare well also, but where your argument gains strength is the need for those teams to have won at Butterfield as well.

[pumkinattack]

I agree.  The chance to have one team that might compete deep into the playoffs vs. a team with two OOR losses is they key.  

In a down year for my Hobart I'd be fine with Fisher being a dominant team as long as we didn't have to hear about it all the time.  I'm just waiting for Hobart's year to take off.  NCAA's 7 times in 9 years but never that phenomenal team that could make it late.  Some of those years they've faced the best in earlier rounds, but people tend to only give credit for how deep you got and not who you went through to get there (caveat, Bart's best wins in the playoffs are both at home vs. Cortland and Lycoming, then a couple of NEFC blowouts and a last second loss to a decent Rowan team on their turf and a close 2nd rd loss to DelVal on their mud).  

There's only a few boisterous SJF alum that perhaps toot their own horn a bit too much, in fact I don't think our loudest fan is on here anymore (82).  We're still a young program, we've only been around for 21 years.  We don't have a lot to draw on in terms of history like Ithaca, Hobart, Union, RPI and heck even Rochester has been playing football forever...

All in all I don't think there's a huge difference between the Hobarts, Unions and IC's followers on here compared to the SJF ones...

Hobart has been on a heck of a run recently this past decade, you can go off right now if you wanted about how you're a regional power you guys have earned it...

You may be right about the fans now that 82's presence has disappeared. 

I just don't know how good Hobart has been.  They've rarely had middle of the road, competitive playoff games.  It's usually agianst the weaker teams or the nat'l semifinal rep, which means they could've been anywhere between #7 and #2 in the East in most of those years. 

This year, we're working on the master plan to take down MUC next year (and SJF, who I believe we start playing in 2010 at least a home and home)

[dlippiel]

There are very few teams in the east (3-4) that would have a better record than SJF if they had SJF's schedule...

I'm not so sure.  How good is Salisbury?  They've lost to NC Wesleyan who lost to Emory and Henry who isn't exactly the cream of the ODAC (who sent their winner to the East as the 8 seed last year) and to Christopher Newport who lost to Wilkes who most of us think is down quite a bit this year.  Now with an offense like theirs it may lead to more divergent results than a more traditional offense, but I still think there are more than 3 or 4 east teams that could be 5-1 with Fisher's schedule.

AU, Rowan, Del Valley and Albright are those 4 teams I was referring to...

Other than those I don't see too many teams going into Salisbury and fairing any better...

Union/Salisbury game will tell us a lot.

[Doid23]

Is anyone else, outside of the Fisher bubble secretly hoping Alfred blows Fisher out, not for revenge or anything, but because of Fisher's performance against Mt. Union and Salisbury?...So that we have a hope and savior in the East???

"Next question..."

From a perspective that doesn't involve Cardinal colored glasses I do see your point in wanting some fresh blood to represent the East as their top dog.  

From a Cardinal and E8 fan I'd like to see SJF win the AQ and AU win out so both teams get in.  But that's just me...

Doesn't have to do with 'fresh blood'...More like Fisher has already played some teams outside of the East and couldn't match up...So i'm hoping maybe Alfred will show that they can.

There are very few teams in the east (3-4) that would have a better record than SJF if they had SJF's schedule...

That's not the point. The point is that if SJF ends up winning out, we will already know how they faired against Mt. U and Salisbury. If Alfred or Rowan win out, at least the pollsters or NCAA seeding cmtee won't be able to make a direct comparison. It's not about Fisher, his point was about what would be best for the East. If Fisher is the best team, than of course they should move on, and most will be rooting for them. The road just may be a bit harder, and we have a pretty good idea on how it ends.

[lewdogg11]

Is anyone else, outside of the Fisher bubble secretly hoping Alfred blows Fisher out, not for revenge or anything, but because of Fisher's performance against Mt. Union and Salisbury?...So that we have a hope and savior in the East???

"Next question..."

From a perspective that doesn't involve Cardinal colored glasses I do see your point in wanting some fresh blood to represent the East as their top dog.  

From a Cardinal and E8 fan I'd like to see SJF win the AQ and AU win out so both teams get in.  But that's just me...

Doesn't have to do with 'fresh blood'...More like Fisher has already played some teams outside of the East and couldn't match up...So i'm hoping maybe Alfred will show that they can.

There are very few teams in the east (3-4) that would have a better record than SJF if they had SJF's schedule...

What the **** is wrong with you Fisher guys?  I'm not saying ANYTHING bad about them or their schedule.  I'm saying that they have had a crack out of region and if they are the East's best, then the East royally sucks.  I hope Alfred can provide some hope to giving the East a shot at being competitive.  Jesus H.!!!  

[boobyhasgameyo]

Even if Alfred loses and they finish 8-1 they will get in as an at large right?  So they will still be able to prove their worth against the other teams in the playoffs.  So they'll play Mount Union earlier than if they were a #1 seed....Who cares?  If you want to compare yourself to the best then take them on whenever you can get them.  Pounding a team like Curry first does nothing to prepare you. 

[SJFF82]

Is anyone else, outside of the Fisher bubble secretly hoping Alfred blows Fisher out, not for revenge or anything, but because of Fisher's performance against Mt. Union and Salisbury?...So that we have a hope and savior in the East???

"Next question..."

From a perspective that doesn't involve Cardinal colored glasses I do see your point in wanting some fresh blood to represent the East as their top dog.  

From a Cardinal and E8 fan I'd like to see SJF win the AQ and AU win out so both teams get in.  But that's just me...

Doesn't have to do with 'fresh blood'...More like Fisher has already played some teams outside of the East and couldn't match up...So i'm hoping maybe Alfred will show that they can.

There are very few teams in the east (3-4) that would have a better record than SJF if they had SJF's schedule...

What the **** is wrong with you Fisher guys?  I'm not saying ANYTHING bad about them or their schedule.  I'm saying that they have had a crack out of region and if they are the East's best, then the East royally sucks.  I hope Alfred can provide some hope to giving the East a shot at being competitive.  Jesus H.!!!  

If Fisher beats AU, and wins out, then isnt Fisher better than AU in terms of representing the East?  If AU beats Fisher and wins out, then they are better.  This is clear to me.  What is weird is the position many are taking that even if Fisher beats AU, that Fisher is then a poor East rep.  First, Fisher will likely slip up ag. SC or Wick even if they beat AU by 50, so it wont matter.  But if they beat the best (AU right now) and win out, how are they not the best rep, at least compared to AU?

[fisheralum91]

im an alum and drink the cardinal kool aid---tho
i dont chime in like others

[theoriginalupstate]

I agree.  The chance to have one team that might compete deep into the playoffs vs. a team with two OOR losses is they key.  

In a down year for my Hobart I'd be fine with Fisher being a dominant team as long as we didn't have to hear about it all the time.  I'm just waiting for Hobart's year to take off.  NCAA's 7 times in 9 years but never that phenomenal team that could make it late.  Some of those years they've faced the best in earlier rounds, but people tend to only give credit for how deep you got and not who you went through to get there (caveat, Bart's best wins in the playoffs are both at home vs. Cortland and Lycoming, then a couple of NEFC blowouts and a last second loss to a decent Rowan team on their turf and a close 2nd rd loss to DelVal on their mud).  

There's only a few boisterous SJF alum that perhaps toot their own horn a bit too much, in fact I don't think our loudest fan is on here anymore (82).  We're still a young program, we've only been around for 21 years.  We don't have a lot to draw on in terms of history like Ithaca, Hobart, Union, RPI and heck even Rochester has been playing football forever...

All in all I don't think there's a huge difference between the Hobarts, Unions and IC's followers on here compared to the SJF ones...

Hobart has been on a heck of a run recently this past decade, you can go off right now if you wanted about how you're a regional power you guys have earned it...

You may be right about the fans now that 82's presence has disappeared. 

I just don't know how good Hobart has been.  They've rarely had middle of the road, competitive playoff games.  It's usually agianst the weaker teams or the nat'l semifinal rep, which means they could've been anywhere between #7 and #2 in the East in most of those years. 

This year, we're working on the master plan to take down MUC next year (and SJF, who I believe we start playing in 2010 at least a home and home)

That's cool here's the Bart 2010 schedule...

http://www.hwsathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&schedule=739

I have always liked the match up between the two schools...

[lewdogg11]

I'm starting to think you guys aren't crazy.  You're just ****-ing STUPID!!!  I don't care who is better.  I really don't!!!  What don't you get?  It's not you against the world!!!  I hope whoever represents the East at this point does well, but...Fisher has already turned their cards over(no pun intended).  We know where they stand for the most part, out of region.  We don't know with Alfred.  I don't care if both make the playoffs.  That is not the point.  

Seriously guys?  Is Fisher an accredited college because you all are not very convincing as having functioning ****ing brains.  You're starting to make Cortland look like Harvard.

[fisheralum91]

lew--did ya have a particular fisher fan in mind 

[SJFF82]

I'm starting to think you guys aren't crazy.  You're just ****-ing STUPID!!!  I don't care who is better.  I really don't!!!  What don't you get?  It's not you against the world!!!  I hope whoever represents the East at this point does well, but...Fisher has already turned their cards over(no pun intended).  We know where they stand for the most part, out of region.  We don't know with Alfred.  I don't care if both make the playoffs.  That is not the point.  

Seriously guys?  Is Fisher an accredited college because you all are not very convincing as having functioning ****ing brains.  You're starting to make Cortland look like Harvard.

Everyone's cards are turned over when it comes to losing to MUC by 50 in the play-offs, reg. season or in Donkey Kong.

Did they turn their cards over against salisbury?  If you say so.  Just call the Fisher SID and let him know Fisher shouldnt bother playing the rest of their games cuz they lost in week 4 on the road in a OOC game that wont affect them as long as they win out going undefeated against all other East competition.   

[maxpower]

I'm starting to think you guys aren't crazy.  You're just ****-ing STUPID!!!  I don't care who is better.  I really don't!!!  What don't you get?  It's not you against the world!!!  I hope whoever represents the East at this point does well, but...Fisher has already turned their cards over(no pun intended).  We know where they stand for the most part, out of region.  We don't know with Alfred.  I don't care if both make the playoffs.  That is not the point.  

Seriously guys?  Is Fisher an accredited college because you all are not very convincing as having functioning ****ing brains.  You're starting to make Cortland look like Harvard.

A slam at Cortland, a slam at Fisher, and praise to one of my alma's.... you've just earned k for a week.

[lewdogg11]

I'm starting to think you guys aren't crazy.  You're just ****-ing STUPID!!!  I don't care who is better.  I really don't!!!  What don't you get?  It's not you against the world!!!  I hope whoever represents the East at this point does well, but...Fisher has already turned their cards over(no pun intended).  We know where they stand for the most part, out of region.  We don't know with Alfred.  I don't care if both make the playoffs.  That is not the point.  

Seriously guys?  Is Fisher an accredited college because you all are not very convincing as having functioning ****ing brains.  You're starting to make Cortland look like Harvard.

Everyone's cards are turned over when it comes to losing to MUC by 50 in the play-offs, reg. season or in Donkey Kong.

Did they turn their cards over against salisbury?  If you say so.  Just call the Fisher SID and let him know Fisher shouldnt bother playing the rest of their games cuz they lost in week 4 on the road in a OOC game that wont affect them as long as they win out going undefeated against all other East competition.   

DUDE, this STILL isn't the point!  You seriously must be retarded.  If Fisher makes the playoffs OF COURSE they deserve it!!!  Nevermind...back to your coloring book.


91 - You're cool...Not directed at you.

[Jonny Utah]

I'm starting to think you guys aren't crazy.  You're just ****-ing STUPID!!!  I don't care who is better.  I really don't!!!  What don't you get?  It's not you against the world!!!  I hope whoever represents the East at this point does well, but...Fisher has already turned their cards over(no pun intended).  We know where they stand for the most part, out of region.  We don't know with Alfred.  I don't care if both make the playoffs.  That is not the point.  

Seriously guys?  Is Fisher an accredited college because you all are not very convincing as having functioning ****ing brains.  You're starting to make Cortland look like Harvard.

Everyone's cards are turned over when it comes to losing to MUC by 50 in the play-offs, reg. season or in Donkey Kong.

Did they turn their cards over against salisbury?  If you say so.  Just call the Fisher SID and let him know Fisher shouldnt bother playing the rest of their games cuz they lost in week 4 on the road in a OOC game that wont affect them as long as they win out going undefeated against all other East competition.   

DUDE, this STILL isn't the point!  You seriously must be retarded.  If Fisher makes the playoffs OF COURSE they deserve it!!!  Nevermind...back to your coloring book.


91 - You're cool...Not directed at you.

LD what did the Fisher SID say when you called him?