East Region Fan Poll

[maxpower]

I want whatever team beats mine to suffer as well.

[Knightstalker]

Not to be contrarian but can I ask a basic question underlying this entire debate: why does everyone care how the East Region is perceived or how it performs?  I don't wish ill on Alfred, Fisher, RPI, or anyone else in the East once IC's season is over but I also don't really care if they succeed.  When I was still playing I never understood why opponents would say "now you have to go win the whole thing" after my team beat them in a tournament or in the playoffs.  Why do opponents become allies so quickly?

Because i'm sick of Mt. ****ing Union.

Because if you get beat at least you can say the best beat you.

Plus on the DIII level you are quite often playing against kids you have been playing against or with for a good portion of your life.

[SaintsFAN]

Nah man, I don't care about perception.  Look, maybe Fisher laid an egg against Salisbury, and has improved a great deal since Mt. Union, and I really do hope so, especially if they are in the tournament.  But right now, that's all we have to go on UNTIL the playoffs.  So we have a few scenarios:

1.  Fisher is MUCH improved, beats up Alfred, makes the playoffs, and does well.
2.  Alfred isn't that good, loses to Fisher, and the East looks dookie again(except for maybe an NJAC/MAC rescue)
3.  Fisher is MUCH improved, loses to a better Alfred team, who does well in the playoffs, or,
4.  Alfred slides by a mediocre Fisher, and does nothing in the playoffs.

No perceptions here.  Just wishful thinking on the big picture, not just through a tiny little microscope in Rochester.

With teams like Wesley, Wheaton, Linfield, St. Johns and UW-W all going strong again there is a 100% chance MUC gets moved to the East. So regardless of how Rowan, Del Valley, Alfred, Albright and St. John Fisher finish up we're all going to have to be fed to the purple people eaters again. So to be arguing on who would look better representing the east is a moot point...

I have this strange feeling that somthing funky and different is going to happen with the east this year.  Like Wesley at the #1 and Otterbein or W@J as the #2 seeds.

Bingo... North Region had 4 teams undefeated last year in its bracket... and that won't happen again ---- too many upsets in the North in 2009.   

The only thing is W&J won't be a #2... you have to win your conference to be considered for that, IMO.   Maybe the Presidents sneak in as a #7 with pool C. 

[SJFF82]

Is anyone else, outside of the Fisher bubble secretly hoping Alfred blows Fisher out, not for revenge or anything, but because of Fisher's performance against Mt. Union and Salisbury?...So that we have a hope and savior in the East???

This was at the nexus of the post I made which eventually led to 82's disappearance.  

You admit your involvement in 82's disappearance....I shall turn this over to the appropriate authorities

[boobyhasgameyo]

Is anyone else, outside of the Fisher bubble secretly hoping Alfred blows Fisher out, not for revenge or anything, but because of Fisher's performance against Mt. Union and Salisbury?...So that we have a hope and savior in the East???

This was at the nexus of the post I made which eventually led to 82's disappearance.  

You admit your involvement in 82's disappearance....I shall turn this over to the appropriate authorities

Come to think of it.....Ty did show up shortly after 82 left.

[pumkinattack]

And thus far comprehends on about the same level. 

I'm trying to avoid getting sucked into all this, but the one comment that jumps out is the prediction that if Albright and AU finish undefeateed they'll still ship MUC or another team in as a #1.   I personally think the East is weak this year and it won't matter come nat'l semifinals or sooner, this would be f****d up.  I'm too lazy to do all the math and compare 300 teams, but if the criteria is based on in region schedule to a large degree and this region has two undefeated teams, there should be a #1 seed from this region.  There isn't enough data to have an objective standard and still do this, in which case, just scrap the whole AQ system and have a committee do the selections and full 32 team seeding.   

[Doid23]

Not to be contrarian but can I ask a basic question underlying this entire debate: why does everyone care how the East Region is perceived or how it performs?  I don't wish ill on Alfred, Fisher, RPI, or anyone else in the East once IC's season is over but I also don't really care if they succeed.  When I was still playing I never understood why opponents would say "now you have to go win the whole thing" after my team beat them in a tournament or in the playoffs.  Why do opponents become allies so quickly?

It's human nature. I agree, I don't wish for the team that just beat me to do well, that cut is still too raw.

But think of it this way, I don't like people from Texas (for example purposes), but if I was fighting a war vs. another country, I would quickly put aside my dislike for people from Texas, and become allies with them as we fight against another country. If another planet attacked earth, I would then quickly side with the country to help battle them.

I found myself actually using Mt. Union to help people down here understand what DIII football is. Although I can't stand Mt. Union, there's some benefit to a school that's not your own representing a division or a region or a state: Here's an example of conversations with guys down here:
"Where did you play?" Union College
"Where the hell is that?" New York
"I've never heard of them" Well, it's a Division III school
"What is that, like some kind of community college league? Pfft, this is Texas, we play REAL football down here!" Oh, where did you play?
"I played in High School, and then went to UT" Oh, you played ball at Texas?
"No, I went to school there" Oh, so you didn't play?
" No, just intramurals, but hell, high school football in Texas is better than DIII or wherever the hell you played". Ever hear of Mt. Union?
"Yeah, I've seen them on ESPN or something, they've won a bunch of championships". Well, that's DIII
"Oh, OK".
Mt. Union instantly added credibility to DIII, just like a strong Rowan or Alfred team would add credibility to the East (albeit in a smaller circle of people), and Hobart or RPI or Union doing well would add credibility to the LL, even though I don't like them either.

[SJFF82]

And thus far comprehends on about the same level. 

I'm trying to avoid getting sucked into all this, but the one comment that jumps out is the prediction that if Albright and AU finish undefeateed they'll still ship MUC or another team in as a #1.   I personally think the East is weak this year and it won't matter come nat'l semifinals or sooner, this would be f****d up.  I'm too lazy to do all the math and compare 300 teams, but if the criteria is based on in region schedule to a large degree and this region has two undefeated teams, there should be a #1 seed from this region.  There isn't enough data to have an objective standard and still do this, in which case, just scrap the whole AQ system and have a committee do the selections and full 32 team seeding.   

To steal from the guy who swears alot on here...You guys are f***** brutal.  What the **** did I say in 14 posts that has been so bad.  I have 'watched' as a guest for years and noticed that if you post facts and modest opinions you're protected from the bullies on here for the most part.  So read my 14 posts....facts and modest opinion.  This is the epitome of 'mob mentality': nobody has a mind of their own and finds one poster to pick on and then everyone runs with it.

[pumkinattack]

I'm starting to think you guys aren't crazy.  You're just ****-ing STUPID!!!  I don't care who is better.  I really don't!!!  What don't you get?  It's not you against the world!!!  I hope whoever represents the East at this point does well, but...Fisher has already turned their cards over(no pun intended).  We know where they stand for the most part, out of region.  We don't know with Alfred.  I don't care if both make the playoffs.  That is not the point.  

Seriously guys?  Is Fisher an accredited college because you all are not very convincing as having functioning ****ing brains.  You're starting to make Cortland look like Harvard.

Everyone's cards are turned over when it comes to losing to MUC by 50 in the play-offs, reg. season or in Donkey Kong.

Did they turn their cards over against salisbury?  If you say so.  Just call the Fisher SID and let him know Fisher shouldnt bother playing the rest of their games cuz they lost in week 4 on the road in a OOC game that wont affect them as long as they win out going undefeated against all other East competition.   

You lost me after this one. 

[SJFF82]

I'm starting to think you guys aren't crazy.  You're just ****-ing STUPID!!!  I don't care who is better.  I really don't!!!  What don't you get?  It's not you against the world!!!  I hope whoever represents the East at this point does well, but...Fisher has already turned their cards over(no pun intended).  We know where they stand for the most part, out of region.  We don't know with Alfred.  I don't care if both make the playoffs.  That is not the point.  

Seriously guys?  Is Fisher an accredited college because you all are not very convincing as having functioning ****ing brains.  You're starting to make Cortland look like Harvard.

Everyone's cards are turned over when it comes to losing to MUC by 50 in the play-offs, reg. season or in Donkey Kong.

Did they turn their cards over against salisbury?  If you say so.  Just call the Fisher SID and let him know Fisher shouldnt bother playing the rest of their games cuz they lost in week 4 on the road in a OOC game that wont affect them as long as they win out going undefeated against all other East competition.   

You lost me after this one. 

well "you lost me" means I had ya...so I will work on getting you back I guess. 

[pumkinattack]

Or it means I was open minded until you continued to attempt to drive your point through of how wonderful SJF would be as an eastern representative irrespective of the conversation going on around you.  The other conversation was about how we know the ending to SJF, whereas we have an idea how AU's season would end, but we don't know until it happens which at least offers some modicum on intrigue for those of us who aren't directly involved at that point (or in my case after Bart lost the Susquehanna game).   

[SJFF82]

Or it means I was open minded until you continued to attempt to drive your point through of how wonderful SJF would be as an eastern representative irrespective of the conversation going on around you.  The other conversation was about how we know the ending to SJF, whereas we have an idea how AU's season would end, but we don't know until it happens which at least offers some modicum on intrigue for those of us who aren't directly involved at that point (or in my case after Bart lost the Susquehanna game).   

Believe me....I understand the argument going on.  I just disagree with the position being taken.  Would you at least agree that with respect to MUC (because that is one of SJF's losses that was being referred to by the poster that started this thread) we know how everyone's season ends?  So if you agree with that, then isnt it a bit unfair to use that against SJF?

As far as using the Salisbury loss as an indicator of how SJF would fair against 00C teams in the playoffs...It is my opinion that "it is what it is".  Many teams have a 'bad' loss during an otherwise good season.  They just have easily could have lost to IC in conference.  It seems the Salisbury loss is being cherry picked to support the idea that SJF cannot compete OOC. 

If AU beats them on Sat, end of discussion.  If SJF wins and wins handily, then what....?   Then the East's darling AU got beat by a ****ty SJF squad and the East truly does suck.

[RedDragonFan]

Hey, hey, hey...."Make Cortland look like Harvard"....ouch...you don't see Cortland alumni denigrating AU or SJF alumni like that....and for those of you who graduated from AU or SJF, denigrating means to make fun of or put down but I digress...

[AUPepBand]

If AU beats them on Sat, end of discussion.  If SJF wins and wins handily, then what....?   Then the East's darling AU got beat by a ****ty SJF squad and the East truly does suck.

That reminds Pep of AU English Professor Carol Burdick's book...
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Stop-Calling-Me-Mr-Darling/Carol-Burdick/e/9780839778974

Pep thought Alfred was the Rodney Dangerfield of D3 football and suddenly the Saxons are the East's "darling"?

Hey, hey, hey...."Make Cortland look like Harvard"....ouch...you don't see Cortland alumni denigrating AU or SJF alumni like that....and for those of you who graduated from AU or SJF, denigrating means to make fun of or put down but I digress...

And, RedDragonFan, if it makes you feel better, Pep's cousin and one of Pep's high school buddies are Cortland grads...and Pep thinks that Power Vocabulary Builder is working wonders for you!

http://www.powervocabularybuilder.com/

[JQV]

Hey, hey, hey...."Make Cortland look like Harvard"....ouch....you don't see Cortland alumni denigrating AU or SJF alumni like that....and for those of you who graduated from AU or SJF, denigrating means to make fun of or put down but I digress....

I love it!  Look at the vocab!  Denigrating.  Digress.  Alumni.  If it weren't for the extra period in your ellipses I'd have thought you were just posing as a Cortland alum to...well...I can't think of a reason to pretend you went to Cortland.  But, alas, you gave use the punctuation error and revealed your true identity: A Cortland alum that got word-a-day toilet paper as a graduation gift.