East Region Fan Poll

[union89]

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Oh wait, Albright and Del Val aren't in the Doid region so they don't count anymore.

How would you know? I haven't announced the Doid region yet. But I can tell you, I am considering some 4-4 and 5-3 teams that, while not strong, are geographically near Mt. Union geographically, or have played a team in the top 25, or just seem like good guys. I certainly will not consider anyone from the east, they just don't "play better" or have enough games. Who knows, I may even throw some baseball teams in, just for Gro.  

For clarification, my comment was made about the disrespect that the East was getting, not getting technical about NCAA regions and brackets, I'll leave that to much smarter people than me. Of course, where I come from, PA/ Del/ MD/ Va are part of the Mid Atlantic Region, and I know that's crazy, oh, wait, that's how the "Around the Region" columns are set up too.

d3football.com on left hand side 1st link  you will see E/W/N/S  now its not science but that is east/west/north/south and each region where a school falls into...dont think its that difficult is it?

PBR,
Doid is joking/busting chops.

What, you mean I don't get my own Doid region? And I was about to rank SJF #1 in the Doid Region, scheduled for a February playoff game with Mississippi. Oh well.

well now u ticked off u89 w/ that statement and not having da U #1 in the doid region

Not this year my friend.

[lewdogg11]

I have Del Val over Albright in the poll. If Albright wins they move to # 2 and lose they will probaly fall to the number 4 seed right behind Kean. Same for Del Val. I think both teams are better then the #2 in the NJAC. If Fisher loses I have them out of the top ten and if they win I have them in the top 5 becuase I believe Springfield is a top 3 team in the east if they get by SJF.

You would put a 6-3 St. John Fisher in the top 5?

I would because their only loss in region would be by 3 points to Alfred who most likely is going to be the undefeated E8 champs. If Springfield beats SJF they have a very good chance at a Pool C bid, and as of right now are a top 5 team in the East. SJF two out of region losses are to Mt Union and Salisbury. Even though Salisbury is not as strong as in years past they have already beat Union as well, who some consider a top 7 Team in the East as well who has not played the competition of SJF IMO. Therefore I would give a 6-3 SJF team the number 5 ranking in the east with a win.

You are crazy...Especially with the company of Alfred, Albright, Delaware Valley, Kean, Lebanon Valley, Montclair, and even Rowan.

[union89]

I have Del Val over Albright in the poll. If Albright wins they move to # 2 and lose they will probaly fall to the number 4 seed right behind Kean. Same for Del Val. I think both teams are better then the #2 in the NJAC. If Fisher loses I have them out of the top ten and if they win I have them in the top 5 becuase I believe Springfield is a top 3 team in the east if they get by SJF.

You would put a 6-3 St. John Fisher in the top 5?

I would because their only loss in region would be by 3 points to Alfred who most likely is going to be the undefeated E8 champs. If Springfield beats SJF they have a very good chance at a Pool C bid, and as of right now are a top 5 team in the East. SJF two out of region losses are to Mt Union and Salisbury. Even though Salisbury is not as strong as in years past they have already beat Union as well, who some consider a top 7 Team in the East as well who has not played the competition of SJF IMO. Therefore I would give a 6-3 SJF team the number 5 ranking in the east with a win.

You are crazy...Especially with the company of Alfred, Albright, Delaware Valley, Kean, Lebanon Valley, Montclair, and even Rowan.

Have to agree with LD here....Boxer, with your line of regional loss reasoning, Union should be in the top 5 now due to zero regional losses.

At this point, Fisher should not be in the top 10.....Susquehanna is more deserving of #10 IMO.

[Boxer7806]

Del Val, Albright, Kean, Alfred would be ahead. Montclair no way. They have trouble putting away every team they have played, especially the weaker opponents. I even think thier own posters would admit they would lose to SJF. Lebanon Valley is prolly the third best team in the MAC and I think heads up they would lose to SJF. Union lost to Salisbury as well but I think the LL as a whole is way down and the 4th best division in the East. I know they have a win over Ithaca but so does SJF.  I think injuries have hurt Rowan at certain times this year, but you could make a compelling guess for them to be ranked above and lower to SJF. Rowan has losses to teams, looking back, that they should have won.

Remember I'm sayin thier the 5th best if they beat Springfield. If they don't get by Springfield they they are in my opinion between 10-12th best team in the East depending on how things shake out. I don't think it is that crazy with a win they are 5th. Thier only regional loss is to Alfred who is most likely going to be undefeated and that was by 3 pts. You also have Rowan playing Montclair this week as well so one of those teams are going to show their true colors and I believe Montclair is going to lose handily.

[union89]

Boxer,
What has Fisher done YTD to warrant the type of respect you are giving them?  The Cardinals have 3 losses....which of their 4 wins jump out at you to even have them ranked in the Top 10?

I am not paralleling Fisher to Union....I'm not sure Union belongs in the Top 10 either.

The teams Fisher has beaten are a combined 12-20.

[Jonny Utah]

Boxer,
What has Fisher done YTD to warrant the type of respect you are giving them?  The Cardinals have 3 losses....which of their 4 wins jump out at you to even have them ranked in the Top 10?

I am not paralleling Fisher to Union....I'm not sure Union belongs in the Top 10 either.

I think the only thing you can say is that the E8 and LL are better than the NJAC and MAC, so that SJF (and Union) are better than Rowan, Montclair, Albright, Leb Valley etc.   Now that could be true, but there isn't a lot of evidence to back up that opinion.

[Pat Coleman]

I also don't see what the coaches poll sees in Albright that makes them so much better than Delaware Valley.

The coaches poll has traditionally been very, very high on win-loss record and less so on strength of schedule. Del Val has lost to someone, yes, but it's a team that's better than anyone on Albright's schedule.

Here's Albright:
No. 29 Albright (8-0):
Sep 05   AWAY   Ursinus (4-4)   W   3-28
Sep 12   HOME   Western Connecticut (1-7)   W   48-7
Sep 26   AWAY   Pace ()   W   20-26
Oct 03   HOME   Wilkes (5-3)   W   43-21
Oct 10   AWAY   Lycoming (3-5)   W   7-26
Oct 17   AWAY   King's (2-6)   W   16-34
Oct 24   HOME   Widener (3-5)   W   31-17
Oct 31   HOME   FDU-Florham (1-7)   W   49-28

And Delaware Valley:
No. 20 Delaware Valley (7-1):
Sep 05   HOME   Johns Hopkins (6-2)   W   23-7
Sep 12   AWAY   Kean (7-1)   W   17-30
Sep 19   HOME   5 Wesley (8-0)   L   13-31
Oct 03   AWAY   Lebanon Valley (7-1)   W   7-28
Oct 10   HOME   FDU-Florham (1-7)   W   41-17
Oct 17   HOME   Wilkes (5-3)   W   23-0
Oct 24   AWAY   Lycoming (3-5)   W   7-21
Oct 31   AWAY   King's (2-6)   W   21-47

[lewdogg11]

I also don't see what the coaches poll sees in Albright that makes them so much better than Delaware Valley.

The coaches poll has traditionally been very, very high on win-loss record and less so on strength of schedule. Del Val has lost to someone, yes, but it's a team that's better than anyone on Albright's schedule.

Here's Albright:
No. 29 Albright (8-0):
Sep 05   AWAY   Ursinus (4-4)   W   3-28
Sep 12   HOME   Western Connecticut (1-7)   W   48-7
Sep 26   AWAY   Pace ()   W   20-26
Oct 03   HOME   Wilkes (5-3)   W   43-21
Oct 10   AWAY   Lycoming (3-5)   W   7-26
Oct 17   AWAY   King's (2-6)   W   16-34
Oct 24   HOME   Widener (3-5)   W   31-17
Oct 31   HOME   FDU-Florham (1-7)   W   49-28

And Delaware Valley:
No. 20 Delaware Valley (7-1):
Sep 05   HOME   Johns Hopkins (6-2)   W   23-7
Sep 12   AWAY   Kean (7-1)   W   17-30
Sep 19   HOME   5 Wesley (8-0)   L   13-31
Oct 03   AWAY   Lebanon Valley (7-1)   W   7-28
Oct 10   HOME   FDU-Florham (1-7)   W   41-17
Oct 17   HOME   Wilkes (5-3)   W   23-0
Oct 24   AWAY   Lycoming (3-5)   W   7-21
Oct 31   AWAY   King's (2-6)   W   21-47

I'm amazed at how close these teams performed against similar opponents.  The big thing is Del Valley beating Kean and Lebanon Valley, and Albright so far beating no one.

[Boxer7806]

Utah somes up for me. There is not a lot of evidence, but outside of the top 4 in the East, you can make a compelling argument for the 5th spot with about 5-7 other teams how you feel each conference measure up with the other one.

If Fisher beats Springfield, which we all have as a top 5 team in the East, then we are measuring them up against Union, Montclair vs Rowan winner, Lebanon Valley, Suqueshanna and maybe if things shake out Cortland, RPI. Out of those teams, honestly speaking, I think SJF would be the best out of all them. The only team that can make an argument would be Lebanon Valley, but that would mean they would have beaten Del Val or Albright.

I know some of you think I'm crazy, who knows maybe I am. If Fisher does beat Springfield then I believe they do warrant the 5th spot IMO. With Springfield you have the W that warrant respect. If Ithaca beats Cortland then that makes the argument stronger only because Cortland could be in the top 3 of the NJAC race and Ithaca would be in the bottom fourth.

Remember I'm only saying this if Fisher beats Springfield, as of this moment I don't have Fisher at 5

[Pat Coleman]

Yep, Albright's schedule is really backloaded.

Plus, the non-conference schedule is a big difference:

Del Val
Sep 05   HOME   Johns Hopkins (6-2)   W   23-7
Sep 12   AWAY   Kean (7-1)   W   17-30
Sep 19   HOME   5 Wesley (8-0)   L   13-31

Albright
Sep 05   AWAY   Ursinus (4-4)   W   3-28
Sep 12   HOME   Western Connecticut (1-7)   W   48-7
Sep 26   AWAY   Pace ()   W   20-26

[lewdogg11]

Utah somes up for me. There is not a lot of evidence, but outside of the top 4 in the East, you can make a compelling argument for the 5th spot with about 5-7 other teams how you feel each conference measure up with the other one.

If Fisher beats Springfield, which we all have as a top 5 team in the East, then we are measuring them up against Union, Montclair vs Rowan winner, Lebanon Valley, Suqueshanna and maybe if things shake out Cortland, RPI. Out of those teams, honestly speaking, I think SJF would be the best out of all them. The only team that can make an argument would be Lebanon Valley, but that would mean they would have beaten Del Val or Albright.

I know some of you think I'm crazy, who knows maybe I am. If Fisher does beat Springfield then I believe they do warrant the 5th spot IMO. With Springfield you have the W that warrant respect. If Ithaca beats Cortland then that makes the argument stronger only because Cortland could be in the top 3 of the NJAC race and Ithaca would be in the bottom fourth.

Remember I'm only saying this if Fisher beats Springfield, as of this moment I don't have Fisher at 5

I have Springfield at 7.  They got destroyed by Alfred.

And it looks like most agree:

Springfield (6,8,5,5,5,6,7,10,5,6,)

[theoriginalupstate]

I have Del Val over Albright in the poll. If Albright wins they move to # 2 and lose they will probaly fall to the number 4 seed right behind Kean. Same for Del Val. I think both teams are better then the #2 in the NJAC. If Fisher loses I have them out of the top ten and if they win I have them in the top 5 becuase I believe Springfield is a top 3 team in the east if they get by SJF.

You would put a 6-3 St. John Fisher in the top 5?

I would because their only loss in region would be by 3 points to Alfred who most likely is going to be the undefeated E8 champs. If Springfield beats SJF they have a very good chance at a Pool C bid, and as of right now are a top 5 team in the East. SJF two out of region losses are to Mt Union and Salisbury. Even though Salisbury is not as strong as in years past they have already beat Union as well, who some consider a top 7 Team in the East as well who has not played the competition of SJF IMO. Therefore I would give a 6-3 SJF team the number 5 ranking in the east with a win.

You are crazy...Especially with the company of Alfred, Albright, Delaware Valley, Kean, Lebanon Valley, Montclair, and even Rowan.

Gotta agree with Terd here...

I'm a SJF alum and I've got them at #10 behind those he listed along with Union and Springfield.  If SJF beats SC the highest I'll move them up (with out taking the possibilities of complete chaos of this weekends games into account) is to the 8th spot...

[union89]

I have Del Val over Albright in the poll. If Albright wins they move to # 2 and lose they will probaly fall to the number 4 seed right behind Kean. Same for Del Val. I think both teams are better then the #2 in the NJAC. If Fisher loses I have them out of the top ten and if they win I have them in the top 5 becuase I believe Springfield is a top 3 team in the east if they get by SJF.

You would put a 6-3 St. John Fisher in the top 5?

I would because their only loss in region would be by 3 points to Alfred who most likely is going to be the undefeated E8 champs. If Springfield beats SJF they have a very good chance at a Pool C bid, and as of right now are a top 5 team in the East. SJF two out of region losses are to Mt Union and Salisbury. Even though Salisbury is not as strong as in years past they have already beat Union as well, who some consider a top 7 Team in the East as well who has not played the competition of SJF IMO. Therefore I would give a 6-3 SJF team the number 5 ranking in the east with a win.

You are crazy...Especially with the company of Alfred, Albright, Delaware Valley, Kean, Lebanon Valley, Montclair, and even Rowan.

Gotta agree with Terd here...

I'm a SJF alum and I've got them at #10 behind those he listed along with Union and Springfield.  If SJF beats SC the highest I'll move them up (with out taking the possibilities of complete chaos of this weekends games into account) is to the 8th spot...

Sounds about right.....

[Boxer7806]

Alright, I can give you guys that. Maybe I was comparing the losses a little to much. I just thought SJF could of / should of beat Alfred, even though they were down 2 key starters. I was thinking if they beat Springfield it would move them up quite a bit in my poll. I have Alfred, Del Val, Albright, Kean in my top with Springfield in the 5th spot. When listening to your arguments and looking into some things more deeply a win would actually move them up to 7th best in the East at best.

In my mind, which may be incorrect, I have the E8 and MAC as almost equal and the two best conferences in the East. Del Val win over Kean makes me believe the NJAC is just not as talented as those two conferences. That is why my top 5 includes 2 teams each from the MAC and E8. I could be making a dead wrong assumption about the E8 because the conferences only tough OOC games, (Mt Union, Salisbury, Union, RPI), they have all lost. The conference might have a great OOC recored; I believe 20-4, but most of the wins have come against the NEFC and weaker LL teams.

I should of probaly look at the facts a little more before I made such a statement. Sorry about that guys.

[union89]

Made for interesting conversation.....plus it's always fun when LD calls someone crazy.