East Region Fan Poll

[union89]

And why is it so horrible that Union is ranked #1?  Maybe someone saw both them and Del Val last year and was more impressed with Union and what they are coming back with?  I mean if someone had RPI or Utica at #1 we would have a problem.

It should be noted that in my opinion Union had an above average season last year in terms of wins, quality wins, and impressive wins.  By St. Lawrence standards that would be a great season, but by Union standards (or Ithacas) I would call it above average.  Just my opinion.

didnt have a problem really w/ union #1 in their poll what pbr was questioning was having dvc at #5. No problem imho if dvc is 1-3 in the poll but to this person there is no way logically to put them #5 unless you have a huge ax to grind or your just a homer and put your favorite team #1 and just kinda fill out the ballot w/o any real thought or reason

Yea you are right, you would really have to explain not having DVC in the top 3.

But we can all agree that RPI and Utica are going to have better years this year.  After all, they are RPI and Utica.

LOL...+k

Utica and RPI both usually open with NEFC/ECFC teams as well.....Utica & RPI actually do seem to be very similar.....Utah makes a solid point!!

[Frank Rossi]

And why is it so horrible that Union is ranked #1?  Maybe someone saw both them and Del Val last year and was more impressed with Union and what they are coming back with?  I mean if someone had RPI or Utica at #1 we would have a problem.

It should be noted that in my opinion Union had an above average season last year in terms of wins, quality wins, and impressive wins.  By St. Lawrence standards that would be a great season, but by Union standards (or Ithacas) I would call it above average.  Just my opinion.

They may end up the # 1 team, but as of right now, they do not deserve to be there.

And please don't put RPI and Utica in the same sentence ever again.

That's going to be tough to do since they play each other a week from Saturday.  Perhaps this exchange may be in the future:

Dewcrew:  "Hey Lew, are you excited about RPI's out-of-conference game next weekend?"

Lew:  "I don't even know who they're playing."

Dewcrew:  "Oh, it's the Utica Pioneers."

Lew:  (eyebrows raised) "Then, no, I'm not excited."

Dewcrew:  "C'mon, Lew!  Utica could beat RPI this year!"

Lew:  (after discharging his revolver six times in Dewcrew's direction) "I told you not to mention those schools in the same sentence again."

...and so ends this season's "Around the East" columns.

[Yanks 99]

Had two missed submissions again.  I used the preseason rankings for one of the missed pollsters.  Here are the results:

Week 1 Fan Poll  

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Delaware Valley( 6 )	1-0	84	1	vs. #7 Washington & Jefferson*
2   St. John Fisher( 2 )	1-0	80	2	at Buffalo State
3   Montclair State	0-0	70	3	vs. Westfield State
4   Alfred	1-0	47	5	Open Date
5   Union( 1 )	0-0	45	4	at #9 Ithaca
6   Cortland State	0-0	43	6t	at Kean
7   Hobart	0-0	29	8t	vs. Dickinson
8   Rowan	1-0	27	8t	Open Date
9   Ithaca	1-0	26	8t	vs. #5 Union
10  Springfield	1-0	14	NR	at Husson

Dropped Out:
#6t Lebanon Valley


Also Receiving votes:              
Kean 11
Lebanon Valley 11
RPI 7
Curry 1
                    
            
Voting Distribution:            

Delaware Valley (1,1,1,5,2,1,1,NR,1,2)
St. John Fisher (2,3,2,2,1,4,2,NR,2,1)
Montclair State (4,2,4,3,5,2,3,NR,3,3)
Alfred (5,5,6,4,NR,9,4,NR,4,4)
Union (3,NR,7,1,4,NR,6,NR,9,6)
Cortland (7,4,3,8,3,6,10,NR,9,6)
Hobart (8,6,8,NR,6,7,9,NR,8,7)
Rowan (10,8,10,10,9,5,5,NR,5,10)
Ithaca (9,7,5,7,8,10,7,NR,NR,9)
Springfield(6,NR,NR,9,7,NR,8,NR,7,NR)
Kean (NR,10,9,NR,10,8,NR,NR,7,NR)
Lebanon Valley (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,3,NR,NR,NR,8)
RPI (NR,9,NR,6,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Curry (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)


Key Matchups:
#7 Washington & Jefferson* at #1 Delaware Valley
#5 Union at #9 Ithaca
#6 Cortland State at Kean


*Wash & Jeff ranking from South Region Preseason Fan Poll

Huh? can see not having dvc #1 but 5th? 
come on now...

It's the same jerk that has Union 1.  Dude is all over the place.

I am the voter that has Union #1 overall, and DV #5.  Not sure what the big issue is.  It's only Week #1 for god's sake.  Like Kaz said, I have/will stay consistent with who wins/loses, and who plays who each week.  Honestly...can you really tell me why after week #1 where half the teams didn't even play that Union shouldn't be the number one team in the East...and why Del Valley isn't where they belong at #5?  Is it because Del Valley is ranked #10 overall in the D3 poll?  I have gone on record before to say I don't take the national polls into account, as hardly any teams from seperate regions even play each other.  Hell...teams from the same region but different leagues hardly ever play each other until the playoffs.

I have no skin in the game on this one...you don't see Hartwick on there...and clearly I am not a Union fan.  Tell you what Lew Dogg...send me a PM next week on your top 10 picks so I can mirror them for week #2.  Feel better???

[theoriginalupstate]

I would love to hear what the reasons why Union is #1 in your poll...

[Bombers798891]

Had two missed submissions again.  I used the preseason rankings for one of the missed pollsters.  Here are the results:

Week 1 Fan Poll  

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Delaware Valley( 6 )	1-0	84	1	vs. #7 Washington & Jefferson*
2   St. John Fisher( 2 )	1-0	80	2	at Buffalo State
3   Montclair State	0-0	70	3	vs. Westfield State
4   Alfred	1-0	47	5	Open Date
5   Union( 1 )	0-0	45	4	at #9 Ithaca
6   Cortland State	0-0	43	6t	at Kean
7   Hobart	0-0	29	8t	vs. Dickinson
8   Rowan	1-0	27	8t	Open Date
9   Ithaca	1-0	26	8t	vs. #5 Union
10  Springfield	1-0	14	NR	at Husson

Dropped Out:
#6t Lebanon Valley


Also Receiving votes:              
Kean 11
Lebanon Valley 11
RPI 7
Curry 1
                    
            
Voting Distribution:            

Delaware Valley (1,1,1,5,2,1,1,NR,1,2)
St. John Fisher (2,3,2,2,1,4,2,NR,2,1)
Montclair State (4,2,4,3,5,2,3,NR,3,3)
Alfred (5,5,6,4,NR,9,4,NR,4,4)
Union (3,NR,7,1,4,NR,6,NR,9,6)
Cortland (7,4,3,8,3,6,10,NR,9,6)
Hobart (8,6,8,NR,6,7,9,NR,8,7)
Rowan (10,8,10,10,9,5,5,NR,5,10)
Ithaca (9,7,5,7,8,10,7,NR,NR,9)
Springfield(6,NR,NR,9,7,NR,8,NR,7,NR)
Kean (NR,10,9,NR,10,8,NR,NR,7,NR)
Lebanon Valley (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,3,NR,NR,NR,8)
RPI (NR,9,NR,6,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Curry (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)


Key Matchups:
#7 Washington & Jefferson* at #1 Delaware Valley
#5 Union at #9 Ithaca
#6 Cortland State at Kean


*Wash & Jeff ranking from South Region Preseason Fan Poll

Huh? can see not having dvc #1 but 5th? 
come on now...

It's the same jerk that has Union 1.  Dude is all over the place.

I am the voter that has Union #1 overall, and DV #5.  Not sure what the big issue is.  It's only Week #1 for god's sake.  Like Kaz said, I have/will stay consistent with who wins/loses, and who plays who each week.  Honestly...can you really tell me why after week #1 where half the teams didn't even play that Union shouldn't be the number one team in the East...and why Del Valley isn't where they belong at #5?  Is it because Del Valley is ranked #10 overall in the D3 poll?  I have gone on record before to say I don't take the national polls into account, as hardly any teams from seperate regions even play each other.  Hell...teams from the same region but different leagues hardly ever play each other until the playoffs.

I have no skin in the game on this one...you don't see Hartwick on there...and clearly I am not a Union fan.  Tell you what Lew Dogg...send me a PM next week on your top 10 picks so I can mirror them for week #2.  Feel better???

Well, you've given us a reason why Del Valley isn't number #1 (You don't take polls into account)

You've asked why people think Delaware Valley doesn't deserve to be at #5...

But you haven't actually said why you put them behind an Alfred team that went one and done in the playoffs and graduated pretty much everyone of significance except Secky, or a Union and Fisher team who missed the playoffs last season. I'm sure you have your reasons. Care to share?

[dlippiel]

Yanks go easy man. This forum is for open debate and disagreement, and sometimes even some **** talking. What matters is if you believe YOU have them in the right place then all the criticism should be moot in your mind. Just stay true to what you believe, even if many, myself included, happen to disagree. We just take this **** very seriously is all. Keep the polls coming. 

[Yanks 99]

I'll share...that is not an issue.  At this point in the season, it is pretty subjective.  I think all of this plays out over th course of the next few weeks/season, but my top 5 to start the season in order are 1) Union, 2) SJF, 3) Montclair, 4) Alfred, and 5) Del Valley.  

Like most, I tried to represent what I consider the 4 best conferences of the east...E8, LL, NJAC, and MAC.  Out of those, I thought Union, if they could get by Ithaca and Salisbury, would have the best chance to run the table and win out.  They tied for the league title last year (losing out on the tie breaker with Sus), bring I believe 6 starters back on offense and 5 back on defense.  Then I took a look at the second place teams from each and thought that Alfred also belonged in the top 5.  I know they lost a lot, but they have been pretty consistent the last few years and do bring back the best QB in the league (though Bailey from SJF is right behind him).

It's nothing personal against Del Valley.  I just have a feeling that the rest of the leagues may have been down last year just a tad, as opposed to the MAC being strong.  I have seen them play once over the past 2 years...and they were strong...no question...which is why they are in my top 5.  If they start blowing people up...I will definitely consider moving them up.

It's week #1...I will adjust as teams adjust.  I mean....raise your hand if you had Susquahanna in your top 10 to start last season...

It's cool dlip...I know what you mean.  I apologize (for real) if it came across, or comes across, as defensive.  I'm on vacation right now...baby is finally sleeping...and I have about 10 minutes to get this down before I have to run.  Sometimes when writing these things fast it comes across defensive.  Don't mean it to be...just typing fast. 

[dlippiel]

I'll share...that is not an issue.  At this point in the season, it is pretty subjective.  I think all of this plays out over th course of the next few weeks/season, but my top 5 to start the season in order are 1) Union, 2) SJF, 3) Montclair, 4) Alfred, and 5) Del Valley.  

Like most, I tried to represent what I consider the 4 best conferences of the east...E8, LL, NJAC, and MAC.  Out of those, I thought Union, if they could get by Ithaca and Salisbury, would have the best chance to run the table and win out.  They tied for the league title last year (losing out on the tie breaker with Sus), bring I believe 6 starters back on offense and 5 back on defense.  Then I took a look at the second place teams from each and thought that Alfred also belonged in the top 5.  I know they lost a lot, but they have been pretty consistent the last few years and do bring back the best QB in the league (though Bailey from SJF is right behind him).

It's nothing personal against Del Valley.  I just have a feeling that the rest of the leagues may have been down last year just a tad, as opposed to the MAC being strong.  I have seen them play once over the past 2 years...and they were strong...no question...which is why they are in my top 5.  If they start blowing people up...I will definitely consider moving them up.

It's week #1...I will adjust as teams adjust.  I mean....raise your hand if you had Susquahanna in your top 10 to start last season...

It's cool dlip...I know what you mean.  I apologize (for real) if it came across, or comes across, as defensive.  I'm on vacation right now...baby is finally sleeping...and I have about 10 minutes to get this down before I have to run.  Sometimes when writing these things fast it comes across defensive.  Don't mean it to be...just typing fast. 

Yanks dlip always enjoys what you bring to the table. This weekend may shed some light on that Union pick of yours. Honestly, even though I disagree now, I may be (and hopefully will be) shinning your shoes come the end of November. Enjoy the vacation with your family.

[PBR...]

I'll share...that is not an issue.  At this point in the season, it is pretty subjective.  I think all of this plays out over th course of the next few weeks/season, but my top 5 to start the season in order are 1) Union, 2) SJF, 3) Montclair, 4) Alfred, and 5) Del Valley.  

Like most, I tried to represent what I consider the 4 best conferences of the east...E8, LL, NJAC, and MAC.  Out of those, I thought Union, if they could get by Ithaca and Salisbury, would have the best chance to run the table and win out.  They tied for the league title last year (losing out on the tie breaker with Sus), bring I believe 6 starters back on offense and 5 back on defense.  Then I took a look at the second place teams from each and thought that Alfred also belonged in the top 5.  I know they lost a lot, but they have been pretty consistent the last few years and do bring back the best QB in the league (though Bailey from SJF is right behind him).

It's nothing personal against Del Valley.  I just have a feeling that the rest of the leagues may have been down last year just a tad, as opposed to the MAC being strong.  I have seen them play once over the past 2 years...and they were strong...no question...which is why they are in my top 5.  If they start blowing people up...I will definitely consider moving them up.

It's week #1...I will adjust as teams adjust.  I mean....raise your hand if you had Susquahanna in your top 10 to start last season...

It's cool dlip...I know what you mean.  I apologize (for real) if it came across, or comes across, as defensive.  I'm on vacation right now...baby is finally sleeping...and I have about 10 minutes to get this down before I have to run.  Sometimes when writing these things fast it comes across defensive.  Don't mean it to be...just typing fast. 

interesting take yanks who knows u may be right....pbr doesnt think union will come out on top but who knows its why they play the games. To pbr on paper dvc looked to be the strongest in the east and wanted to see reasoning why somone had dvc ranked 5th w/ 18 returning starters from a team that made the playoffs last year. Personally taking off the dvc sunglasses for a second pbr thinks dvc would manhandle most of the LL teams this year w/ sjf really the only 1 giving them a game from the teams up north... (love stirring the pot)  dvc certainly aint backing down from anyone w/ muhlenberg/ #20 wash&jeff/#3 wesley....will certainly be tested the next several weeks.

[SJFF82]

Had two missed submissions again.  I used the preseason rankings for one of the missed pollsters.  Here are the results:

Week 1 Fan Poll  

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Delaware Valley( 6 )	1-0	84	1	vs. #7 Washington & Jefferson*
2   St. John Fisher( 2 )	1-0	80	2	at Buffalo State
3   Montclair State	0-0	70	3	vs. Westfield State
4   Alfred	1-0	47	5	Open Date
5   Union( 1 )	0-0	45	4	at #9 Ithaca
6   Cortland State	0-0	43	6t	at Kean
7   Hobart	0-0	29	8t	vs. Dickinson
8   Rowan	1-0	27	8t	Open Date
9   Ithaca	1-0	26	8t	vs. #5 Union
10  Springfield	1-0	14	NR	at Husson

Dropped Out:
#6t Lebanon Valley


Also Receiving votes:              
Kean 11
Lebanon Valley 11
RPI 7
Curry 1
                    
            
Voting Distribution:            

Delaware Valley (1,1,1,5,2,1,1,NR,1,2)
St. John Fisher (2,3,2,2,1,4,2,NR,2,1)
Montclair State (4,2,4,3,5,2,3,NR,3,3)
Alfred (5,5,6,4,NR,9,4,NR,4,4)
Union (3,NR,7,1,4,NR,6,NR,9,6)
Cortland (7,4,3,8,3,6,10,NR,9,6)
Hobart (8,6,8,NR,6,7,9,NR,8,7)
Rowan (10,8,10,10,9,5,5,NR,5,10)
Ithaca (9,7,5,7,8,10,7,NR,NR,9)
Springfield(6,NR,NR,9,7,NR,8,NR,7,NR)
Kean (NR,10,9,NR,10,8,NR,NR,7,NR)
Lebanon Valley (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,3,NR,NR,NR,8)
RPI (NR,9,NR,6,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Curry (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)


Key Matchups:
#7 Washington & Jefferson* at #1 Delaware Valley
#5 Union at #9 Ithaca
#6 Cortland State at Kean


*Wash & Jeff ranking from South Region Preseason Fan Poll

Huh? can see not having dvc #1 but 5th? 
come on now...

It's the same jerk that has Union 1.  Dude is all over the place.

I am the voter that has Union #1 overall, and DV #5.  Not sure what the big issue is.  It's only Week #1 for god's sake.  Like Kaz said, I have/will stay consistent with who wins/loses, and who plays who each week.  Honestly...can you really tell me why after week #1 where half the teams didn't even play that Union shouldn't be the number one team in the East...and why Del Valley isn't where they belong at #5?  Is it because Del Valley is ranked #10 overall in the D3 poll?  I have gone on record before to say I don't take the national polls into account, as hardly any teams from seperate regions even play each other.  Hell...teams from the same region but different leagues hardly ever play each other until the playoffs.

I have no skin in the game on this one...you don't see Hartwick on there...and clearly I am not a Union fan.  Tell you what Lew Dogg...send me a PM next week on your top 10 picks so I can mirror them for week #2.  Feel better???

Well, you've given us a reason why Del Valley isn't number #1 (You don't take polls into account)

You've asked why people think Delaware Valley doesn't deserve to be at #5...

But you haven't actually said why you put them behind an Alfred team that went one and done in the playoffs and graduated pretty much everyone of significance except Secky, or a Union and Fisher team who missed the playoffs last season. I'm sure you have your reasons. Care to share?

well played on the sarcasm....+k

[boobyhasgameyo]

I'll share...that is not an issue.  At this point in the season, it is pretty subjective.  I think all of this plays out over th course of the next few weeks/season, but my top 5 to start the season in order are 1) Union, 2) SJF, 3) Montclair, 4) Alfred, and 5) Del Valley.  

Like most, I tried to represent what I consider the 4 best conferences of the east...E8, LL, NJAC, and MAC.  Out of those, I thought Union, if they could get by Ithaca and Salisbury, would have the best chance to run the table and win out.  They tied for the league title last year (losing out on the tie breaker with Sus), bring I believe 6 starters back on offense and 5 back on defense.  Then I took a look at the second place teams from each and thought that Alfred also belonged in the top 5.  I know they lost a lot, but they have been pretty consistent the last few years and do bring back the best QB in the league (though Bailey from SJF is right behind him).

It's nothing personal against Del Valley.  I just have a feeling that the rest of the leagues may have been down last year just a tad, as opposed to the MAC being strong.  I have seen them play once over the past 2 years...and they were strong...no question...which is why they are in my top 5.  If they start blowing people up...I will definitely consider moving them up.

It's week #1...I will adjust as teams adjust.  I mean....raise your hand if you had Susquahanna in your top 10 to start last season...

It's cool dlip...I know what you mean.  I apologize (for real) if it came across, or comes across, as defensive.  I'm on vacation right now...baby is finally sleeping...and I have about 10 minutes to get this down before I have to run.  Sometimes when writing these things fast it comes across defensive.  Don't mean it to be...just typing fast. 

interesting take yanks who knows u may be right....pbr doesnt think union will come out on top but who knows its why they play the games. To pbr on paper dvc looked to be the strongest in the east and wanted to see reasoning why somone had dvc ranked 5th w/ 18 returning starters from a team that made the playoffs last year. Personally taking off the dvc sunglasses for a second pbr thinks dvc would manhandle most of the LL teams this year w/ sjf really the only 1 giving them a game from the teams up north... (love stirring the pot)  dvc certainly aint backing down from anyone w/ muhlenberg/ #20 wash&jeff/#3 wesley....will certainly be tested the next several weeks.

I am still in denial of how their playoff matchup ended nearly 6 years ago.  I would love love love to see a rematch. 

[theoriginalupstate]

I'll share...that is not an issue.  At this point in the season, it is pretty subjective.  I think all of this plays out over th course of the next few weeks/season, but my top 5 to start the season in order are 1) Union, 2) SJF, 3) Montclair, 4) Alfred, and 5) Del Valley.  

Like most, I tried to represent what I consider the 4 best conferences of the east...E8, LL, NJAC, and MAC.  Out of those, I thought Union, if they could get by Ithaca and Salisbury, would have the best chance to run the table and win out.  They tied for the league title last year (losing out on the tie breaker with Sus), bring I believe 6 starters back on offense and 5 back on defense.  Then I took a look at the second place teams from each and thought that Alfred also belonged in the top 5.  I know they lost a lot, but they have been pretty consistent the last few years and do bring back the best QB in the league (though Bailey from SJF is right behind him).

It's nothing personal against Del Valley.  I just have a feeling that the rest of the leagues may have been down last year just a tad, as opposed to the MAC being strong.  I have seen them play once over the past 2 years...and they were strong...no question...which is why they are in my top 5.  If they start blowing people up...I will definitely consider moving them up.

It's week #1...I will adjust as teams adjust.  I mean....raise your hand if you had Susquahanna in your top 10 to start last season...

It's cool dlip...I know what you mean.  I apologize (for real) if it came across, or comes across, as defensive.  I'm on vacation right now...baby is finally sleeping...and I have about 10 minutes to get this down before I have to run.  Sometimes when writing these things fast it comes across defensive.  Don't mean it to be...just typing fast. 

interesting take yanks who knows u may be right....pbr doesnt think union will come out on top but who knows its why they play the games. To pbr on paper dvc looked to be the strongest in the east and wanted to see reasoning why somone had dvc ranked 5th w/ 18 returning starters from a team that made the playoffs last year. Personally taking off the dvc sunglasses for a second pbr thinks dvc would manhandle most of the LL teams this year w/ sjf really the only 1 giving them a game from the teams up north... (love stirring the pot)  dvc certainly aint backing down from anyone w/ muhlenberg/ #20 wash&jeff/#3 wesley....will certainly be tested the next several weeks.

I am still in denial of how their playoff matchup ended nearly 6 years ago.  I would love love love to see a rematch. 

That game should have went into overtime...

[PBR...]

I'll share...that is not an issue.  At this point in the season, it is pretty subjective.  I think all of this plays out over th course of the next few weeks/season, but my top 5 to start the season in order are 1) Union, 2) SJF, 3) Montclair, 4) Alfred, and 5) Del Valley.  

Like most, I tried to represent what I consider the 4 best conferences of the east...E8, LL, NJAC, and MAC.  Out of those, I thought Union, if they could get by Ithaca and Salisbury, would have the best chance to run the table and win out.  They tied for the league title last year (losing out on the tie breaker with Sus), bring I believe 6 starters back on offense and 5 back on defense.  Then I took a look at the second place teams from each and thought that Alfred also belonged in the top 5.  I know they lost a lot, but they have been pretty consistent the last few years and do bring back the best QB in the league (though Bailey from SJF is right behind him).

It's nothing personal against Del Valley.  I just have a feeling that the rest of the leagues may have been down last year just a tad, as opposed to the MAC being strong.  I have seen them play once over the past 2 years...and they were strong...no question...which is why they are in my top 5.  If they start blowing people up...I will definitely consider moving them up.

It's week #1...I will adjust as teams adjust.  I mean....raise your hand if you had Susquahanna in your top 10 to start last season...

It's cool dlip...I know what you mean.  I apologize (for real) if it came across, or comes across, as defensive.  I'm on vacation right now...baby is finally sleeping...and I have about 10 minutes to get this down before I have to run.  Sometimes when writing these things fast it comes across defensive.  Don't mean it to be...just typing fast. 

interesting take yanks who knows u may be right....pbr doesnt think union will come out on top but who knows its why they play the games. To pbr on paper dvc looked to be the strongest in the east and wanted to see reasoning why somone had dvc ranked 5th w/ 18 returning starters from a team that made the playoffs last year. Personally taking off the dvc sunglasses for a second pbr thinks dvc would manhandle most of the LL teams this year w/ sjf really the only 1 giving them a game from the teams up north... (love stirring the pot)  dvc certainly aint backing down from anyone w/ muhlenberg/ #20 wash&jeff/#3 wesley....will certainly be tested the next several weeks.

I am still in denial of how their playoff matchup ended nearly 6 years ago.  I would love love love to see a rematch. 

That game should have went into overtime...

have to admit pbr is still stunned w/ that game...incredible finish! wouldnt believe everything that went down unless pbr saw it himself....2 great teams and coaches matched up. 

[sjfcards]

I have tried to forever block that game out of my memory. Tough one.

[SJFF82]

I'll share...that is not an issue.  At this point in the season, it is pretty subjective.  I think all of this plays out over th course of the next few weeks/season, but my top 5 to start the season in order are 1) Union, 2) SJF, 3) Montclair, 4) Alfred, and 5) Del Valley.  

Like most, I tried to represent what I consider the 4 best conferences of the east...E8, LL, NJAC, and MAC.  Out of those, I thought Union, if they could get by Ithaca and Salisbury, would have the best chance to run the table and win out.  They tied for the league title last year (losing out on the tie breaker with Sus), bring I believe 6 starters back on offense and 5 back on defense.  Then I took a look at the second place teams from each and thought that Alfred also belonged in the top 5.  I know they lost a lot, but they have been pretty consistent the last few years and do bring back the best QB in the league (though Bailey from SJF is right behind him).

It's nothing personal against Del Valley.  I just have a feeling that the rest of the leagues may have been down last year just a tad, as opposed to the MAC being strong.  I have seen them play once over the past 2 years...and they were strong...no question...which is why they are in my top 5.  If they start blowing people up...I will definitely consider moving them up.

It's week #1...I will adjust as teams adjust.  I mean....raise your hand if you had Susquahanna in your top 10 to start last season...

It's cool dlip...I know what you mean.  I apologize (for real) if it came across, or comes across, as defensive.  I'm on vacation right now...baby is finally sleeping...and I have about 10 minutes to get this down before I have to run.  Sometimes when writing these things fast it comes across defensive.  Don't mean it to be...just typing fast. 

interesting take yanks who knows u may be right....pbr doesnt think union will come out on top but who knows its why they play the games. To pbr on paper dvc looked to be the strongest in the east and wanted to see reasoning why somone had dvc ranked 5th w/ 18 returning starters from a team that made the playoffs last year. Personally taking off the dvc sunglasses for a second pbr thinks dvc would manhandle most of the LL teams this year w/ sjf really the only 1 giving them a game from the teams up north... (love stirring the pot)  dvc certainly aint backing down from anyone w/ muhlenberg/ #20 wash&jeff/#3 wesley....will certainly be tested the next several weeks.

I am still in denial of how their playoff matchup ended nearly 6 years ago.  I would love love love to see a rematch. 

hadnt felt like that after a loss since actually playing...