East Region Fan Poll

[PBR...]

Should Pat be sending out that info??  I think not.  Pat runs D3.com and therefor has an obvious interest in the poll.  Pollsters should go about finding their own information and gauge the criteria they use individually.  If everyone is given the same 'packet', this will undoubtedly direct voters down a certain path.  If Pat has faith in each pollster to ask them to be involved, he should have the same faith that they should do their own research and present an unbiased poll.  By sending the exact same info to everyone, don't you run the danger of a biased product?

This model worked wonders when I was at Baseball Weekly and we ran the Division I baseball coaches' poll. I'm not concerned. Leaving 25 voters to do their own research would lead to a pretty piss-poor preseason poll because who has the time to do all that work? All I do is provide the baseline so that voters are educated about what is outside their area. They still are free to use their brains.

I think perhaps you don't know how difficult it is to rank 25 teams of 238. It's not like a regional poll. I can't ask them to spend as much time on it as you seem to expect. They all have teams to coach, games to cover, stories to write, news releases to send out, etc.

seems like a good starting point...its not like the games are on espn/cbs/nbc every week. So if pbr was a pollster living here in eastern pa. any info/baseline someone could give me on linfield, etc with not getting a chance to see them would be appreciated. Would still do a bunch of research on my own to figure out where each team would be slotted but w/o influencing anyone and giving good background information is a good way to start.

[Pat Coleman]

Right. And I list the teams alphabetically.

[Jonny Utah]

D3football.com press release to the NCAA playoff committee....
Dear Voters,

Here are the teams you should consider for an at large bid.  

Thank you, Pat Coleman.


Aflred
St. Johns
North Central
Ithaca
Rowan
Montclair

[PBR...]

D3football.com press release to the NCAA playoff committee....
Dear Voters,

Here are the teams you should consider for an at large bid.  

Thank you, Pat Coleman.


Aflred
St. Johns
North Central
Ithaca
Rowan
Montclair

LOL.... well played +k

[Bombers798891]

Here's a thought though: If they don't pay attention to the at-large selections, should they pay attention to the results come playoff time?

Yes, because those games are actually played. But I wouldn't knock a team in the national poll for not making the national playoffs just because regional criteria suggest that perhaps they should.

That's what I figured. Does playoff performance, in your mind, validate what might have been an odd decision? Again, using the IC-Menlo one, does Ithaca winning those games make you think, "Maybe they weren't a bad pick after all?"

[Bombers798891]

Right. And I list the teams alphabetically.

I remember reading how certain new authors will pick pen names which start with the same letter as famous authors so their books will be placed next to them in bookstores. Shifty stuff

[PBR...]

Right. And I list the teams alphabetically.

I remember reading how certain new authors will pick pen names which start with the same letter as famous authors so their books will be placed next to them in bookstores. Shifty stuff

one time at band camp...

[Pat Coleman]

Here's a thought though: If they don't pay attention to the at-large selections, should they pay attention to the results come playoff time?

Yes, because those games are actually played. But I wouldn't knock a team in the national poll for not making the national playoffs just because regional criteria suggest that perhaps they should.

That's what I figured. Does playoff performance, in your mind, validate what might have been an odd decision? Again, using the IC-Menlo one, does Ithaca winning those games make you think, "Maybe they weren't a bad pick after all?"

Indeed. But that Ithaca team was an anomaly. Typically "the teams the NCAA puts in the field over our objections" (so to speak) do not do well at all. Keith mentioned this trend in the season-ending column last year or the year before. I'll have to look for the details.

[pg04]

Lots of interesting losses this week so far... Alfred, Cortland, Union, Willy P... all at least receiving votes in the poll.  3 of them losing to teams not even receiving votes... Wonder how far everyone falls. 

[JT]

Should Pat be sending out that info??  I think not.  Pat runs D3.com and therefor has an obvious interest in the poll.  Pollsters should go about finding their own information and gauge the criteria they use individually.  If everyone is given the same 'packet', this will undoubtedly direct voters down a certain path.  If Pat has faith in each pollster to ask them to be involved, he should have the same faith that they should do their own research and present an unbiased poll.  By sending the exact same info to everyone, don't you run the danger of a biased product?

This model worked wonders when I was at Baseball Weekly and we ran the Division I baseball coaches' poll. I'm not concerned. Leaving 25 voters to do their own research would lead to a pretty piss-poor preseason poll because who has the time to do all that work? All I do is provide the baseline so that voters are educated about what is outside their area. They still are free to use their brains.

I think perhaps you don't know how difficult it is to rank 25 teams of 238. It's not like a regional poll. I can't ask them to spend as much time on it as you seem to expect. They all have teams to coach, games to cover, stories to write, news releases to send out, etc.

seems like a good starting point...its not like the games are on espn/cbs/nbc every week. So if pbr was a pollster living here in eastern pa. any info/baseline someone could give me on linfield, etc with not getting a chance to see them would be appreciated. Would still do a bunch of research on my own to figure out where each team would be slotted but w/o influencing anyone and giving good background information is a good way to start.

Technology helps a lot.  A gmail account.  Set it up to look for certain news, and one can be pretty informed spending 10-15 minutes a day.  Plus, there are certain posters around the country that draw a lot of respect. And don't forget the regional fan polls.  I've used all these sources. I'd take this as the definitive poll top 25 for D3.

I don't know all the voters, but the ones I know, are top notch.  I would imagine the rest are too.

[AUKaz00]

Two pollsters short, but I'm off the next two days so I'm posting it as is:

Week 7 Fan Poll  

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Delaware Valley( 4 )	5-1	75	1	vs. #6 Lycoming
2   St. John Fisher( 4 )	7-0	74	2	at #8 Alfred
3   Montclair State	6-0	67	3	at Western Connecticut
4   Rowan	5-1	53	7	at Brockport State
5   Springfield	5-1	45	6	at #10 Ithaca
6   Lycoming	5-1	38	8	at #1 Delaware Valley
7   Cortland State	5-1	36	4	at Morrisville State
8   Alfred	5-1	25	5	vs. #2 St. John Fisher
9   Utica	5-2	11	9	Open Date
10  Ithaca	4-2	9	10	vs. #5 Springfield

Also Receiving votes:              
SUNY-Maritime 4
Hobart 1
RPI 1
St. Lawrence 1
                    
            
Voting Distribution:            

Delaware Valley (2,1,1,3,1,NR,1,NR,1,2)
St. John Fisher (1,3,2,1,1,1,NR,2,NR,1)
Montclair State (3,2,3,2,3,NR,3,NR,2,3)
Rowan (4,4,5,4,5,NR,5,NR,4,4)
Springfield (7,5,4,8,4,NR,4,NR,5,6)
Lycoming (8,7,6,5,7,NR,6,NR,6,5)
Cortland (5,6,7,6,6,NR,8,NR,7,7)
Alfred (6,8,8,7,NR,NR,7,NR,8,8)
Utica (9,9,9,NR,8,NR,NR,NR,NR,9)
Ithaca (10,10,NR,9,9,NR,9,NR,NR,10)
SUNY-Maritime (NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,9,NR)
Hobart (NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
RPI (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
St. Lawrence (NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)


Key Matchups:
#6 Lycoming at #1 Delaware Valley
#2 St. John Fisher at #8 Alfred
#10 Ithaca at #5 Springfield

[PBR...]

Two pollsters short, but I'm off the next two days so I'm posting it as is:

Week 7 Fan Poll  

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Delaware Valley( 4 )	5-1	75	1	vs. #6 Lycoming
2   St. John Fisher( 4 )	7-0	74	2	at #8 Alfred
3   Montclair State	6-0	67	3	at Western Connecticut
4   Rowan	5-1	53	7	at Brockport State
5   Springfield	5-1	45	6	at #10 Ithaca
6   Lycoming	5-1	38	8	at #1 Delaware Valley
7   Cortland State	5-1	36	4	at Morrisville State
8   Alfred	5-1	25	5	vs. #2 St. John Fisher
9   Utica	5-2	11	9	Open Date
10  Ithaca	4-2	9	10	vs. #5 Springfield

Also Receiving votes:              
SUNY-Maritime 4
Hobart 1
RPI 1
St. Lawrence 1
                    
            
Voting Distribution:            

Delaware Valley (2,1,1,3,1,NR,1,NR,1,2)
St. John Fisher (1,3,2,1,1,1,NR,2,NR,1)
Montclair State (3,2,3,2,3,NR,3,NR,2,3)
Rowan (4,4,5,4,5,NR,5,NR,4,4)
Springfield (7,5,4,8,4,NR,4,NR,5,6)
Lycoming (8,7,6,5,7,NR,6,NR,6,5)
Cortland (5,6,7,6,6,NR,8,NR,7,7)
Alfred (6,8,8,7,NR,NR,7,NR,8,8)
Utica (9,9,9,NR,8,NR,NR,NR,NR,9)
Ithaca (10,10,NR,9,9,NR,9,NR,NR,10)
SUNY-Maritime (NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,9,NR)
Hobart (NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
RPI (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
St. Lawrence (NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)


Key Matchups:
#6 Lycoming at #1 Delaware Valley
#2 St. John Fisher at #8 Alfred
#10 Ithaca at #5 Springfield

huge matchups this week....can't wait! hopefully dvc can hold onto the football and stay focused this week.

[labart96]

Not many points separating the top 3 teams....

MSU up to #14 in the Top 25...not sure even if they go 10-0 if the 'Hawks would surpass DVC (currently #9) in the national poll.

[theoriginalupstate]

Not many points separating the top 3 teams....

MSU up to #14 in the Top 25...not sure even if they go 10-0 if the 'Hawks would surpass DVC (currently #9) in the national poll.

I think they're a bit over rated on the national poll.  They're a definite top 25 team, just not top 15...

Their defense is great but against the higher scoring teams their offense isn't going to win them games...

[AUKaz00]

UPDATED Week 7 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Delaware Valley( 5 )	5-1	85	1	vs. #6 Lycoming
2   St. John Fisher( 4 )	7-0	83	2	at #8 Alfred
3   Montclair State	6-0	75	3	at Western Connecticut
4   Rowan	5-1	59	7	at Brockport State
5   Springfield	5-1	52	6	at #10 Ithaca
6   Lycoming	5-1	43	8	at #1 Delaware Valley
7   Cortland State	5-1	40	4	at Morrisville State
8   Alfred	5-1	27	5	vs. #2 St. John Fisher
9   Utica	5-2	11	9	Open Date
10  Ithaca	4-2	9	10	vs. #5 Springfield

Also Receiving votes:               
SUNY-Maritime 7
St. Lawrence 2
Hobart 1
RPI 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Delaware Valley (2,1,1,3,1,NR,1,1,1,2)
St. John Fisher (1,3,2,1,1,1,NR,2,2,1)
Montclair State (3,2,3,2,3,NR,3,3,2,3)
Rowan (4,4,5,4,5,NR,5,5,4,4)
Springfield (7,5,4,8,4,NR,4,4,5,6)
Lycoming (8,7,6,5,7,NR,6,6,6,5)
Cortland (5,6,7,6,6,NR,8,7,7,7)
Alfred (6,8,8,7,NR,NR,7,9,8,8)
Utica (9,9,9,NR,8,NR,NR,NR,NR,9)
Ithaca (10,10,NR,9,9,NR,9,NR,NR,10)
SUNY-Maritime (NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,10,8,9,NR)
St. Lawrence (NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,10,NR,NR)
Hobart (NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
RPI (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)


Key Matchups:
#6 Lycoming at #1 Delaware Valley
#2 St. John Fisher at #8 Alfred
#10 Ithaca at #5 Springfield