East Region Fan Poll

[maxpower]

Ithaca has a bye but drops a spot.... if I were a Fisher poster I'd be sh*tting bricks right now.

[theoriginalupstate]

Ithaca has a bye but drops a spot.... if I were a Fisher poster I'd be sh*tting bricks right now.

Ha, classic...

Oh wait, you were talking about me...

+K anyways...

[rams1102]

Not many points separating the top 3 teams....

MSU up to #14 in the Top 25...not sure even if they go 10-0 if the 'Hawks would surpass DVC (currently #9) in the national poll.

Agreed.

[rams1102]

Not many points separating the top 3 teams....

MSU up to #14 in the Top 25...not sure even if they go 10-0 if the 'Hawks would surpass DVC (currently #9) in the national poll.

I think they're a bit over rated on the national poll.  They're a definite top 25 team, just not top 15...

Their defense is great but against the higher scoring teams their offense isn't going to win them games...

You may be correct, but there is time for improvement, the talent is there and that's why we play the games.

[maxpower]

Ithaca has a bye but drops a spot.... if I were a Fisher poster I'd be sh*tting bricks right now.

Ha, classic...

Oh wait, you were talking about me...

+K anyways...

[JT]

Not many points separating the top 3 teams....

MSU up to #14 in the Top 25...not sure even if they go 10-0 if the 'Hawks would surpass DVC (currently #9) in the national poll.

After watching both, Cortland is better.  Will they play that way is the question.  And for that matter can Rowan TCB.

[theoriginalupstate]

Not many points separating the top 3 teams....

MSU up to #14 in the Top 25...not sure even if they go 10-0 if the 'Hawks would surpass DVC (currently #9) in the national poll.

After watching both, Cortland is better.  Will they play that way is the question.  And for that matter can Rowan TCB.

I would like to point out that with Rowan's remaining schedule I think they're a lock for a post season bid (either an A or C bid)...

Brockport, Mo'Ville, West Conn and New Jersey have 5 wins combined.  They are 4 of the bottom 5 teams in the NJAC and just happen to be the last 4 teams on Rowan's schedule...

[JT]

Not many points separating the top 3 teams....

MSU up to #14 in the Top 25...not sure even if they go 10-0 if the 'Hawks would surpass DVC (currently #9) in the national poll.

After watching both, Cortland is better.  Will they play that way is the question.  And for that matter can Rowan TCB.

I would like to point out that with Rowan's remaining schedule I think they're a lock for a post season bid (either an A or C bid)...

Brockport, Mo'Ville, West Conn and New Jersey have 5 wins combined.  They are 4 of the bottom 5 teams in the NJAC and just happen to be the last 4 teams on Rowan's schedule...

TCNJ has ruined more than one Prof season in the past.  Eric Hamilton is a great coach... and he's hamstrung by ridiculous scholastic requirements. Might as well go to Princeton, its easier to get into if you can play football.  Its basically a girls school now. He was ahead of Montclair this Saturday before falling late. He makes the best use of his players as the season progresses.

45 minutes distance from each school.  He scares the sh*t out of me. I don't care what kind of team he has.

And don't discount Rowan's ability to shoot themselves in the foot.  Its a good team, with good players, but they don't have the studs they used to have where they can average 3 personal fouls per game, have 3+ turnovers and get away with it. 

[sjfcards]

Not many points separating the top 3 teams....

MSU up to #14 in the Top 25...not sure even if they go 10-0 if the 'Hawks would surpass DVC (currently #9) in the national poll.

After watching both, Cortland is better.  Will they play that way is the question.  And for that matter can Rowan TCB.

I would like to point out that with Rowan's remaining schedule I think they're a lock for a post season bid (either an A or C bid)...

Brockport, Mo'Ville, West Conn and New Jersey have 5 wins combined.  They are 4 of the bottom 5 teams in the NJAC and just happen to be the last 4 teams on Rowan's schedule...

Agreed Upstate, especially with wins over Cortland and Lyco on the books already. I think if they are a 1 loss team, with that loss coming to the NJAC winner (or one of the top teams), they are a lock.

[Pat Coleman]

Should Pat be sending out that info??  I think not.  Pat runs D3.com and therefor has an obvious interest in the poll.  Pollsters should go about finding their own information and gauge the criteria they use individually.  If everyone is given the same 'packet', this will undoubtedly direct voters down a certain path.  If Pat has faith in each pollster to ask them to be involved, he should have the same faith that they should do their own research and present an unbiased poll.  By sending the exact same info to everyone, don't you run the danger of a biased product?

This model worked wonders when I was at Baseball Weekly and we ran the Division I baseball coaches' poll. I'm not concerned. Leaving 25 voters to do their own research would lead to a pretty piss-poor preseason poll because who has the time to do all that work? All I do is provide the baseline so that voters are educated about what is outside their area. They still are free to use their brains.

I think perhaps you don't know how difficult it is to rank 25 teams of 238. It's not like a regional poll. I can't ask them to spend as much time on it as you seem to expect. They all have teams to coach, games to cover, stories to write, news releases to send out, etc.

seems like a good starting point...its not like the games are on espn/cbs/nbc every week. So if pbr was a pollster living here in eastern pa. any info/baseline someone could give me on linfield, etc with not getting a chance to see them would be appreciated. Would still do a bunch of research on my own to figure out where each team would be slotted but w/o influencing anyone and giving good background information is a good way to start.

Technology helps a lot.  A gmail account.  Set it up to look for certain news, and one can be pretty informed spending 10-15 minutes a day.  Plus, there are certain posters around the country that draw a lot of respect. And don't forget the regional fan polls.  I've used all these sources. I'd take this as the definitive poll top 25 for D3.

I don't know all the voters, but the ones I know, are top notch.  I would imagine the rest are too.

These don't help much in July, though -- are you saying you were doing all that research and had all those sources available for the preseason poll?

[dlippiel]

dlip just loves the ERP. This weekend is going to be excellent! +k to the last two pages!

[dlippiel]

Not many points separating the top 3 teams....

MSU up to #14 in the Top 25...not sure even if they go 10-0 if the 'Hawks would surpass DVC (currently #9) in the national poll.

Overall: 6-0 - Conference: 5-0
9/11 vs. Westfield State •  W, 34-0  BX 
9/18 vs. Rowan * •  W, 26-7  RC 
9/25 at Morrisville State * •  W, 42-6  BX RC 
10/1 at Kean * •  W, 21-7  BX RC 
10/9 vs. New Jersey * •  W, 30-14  BX RC 
10/16 vs. Buffalo State * •  W, 35-20  BX 
10/23 at Western Connecticut * •  12:00 PM  LS 
10/30 at Cortland State * •  1:00 PM  LS A 
11/6 vs. Brockport State * •  1:00 PM  LS A 
11/13 at William Paterson * •  1:00 PM 


dlip is very happy for MSU's early season success and feels they are DEFINITELY a top 20 team. To dlip #14 may not be all that far off honestly. Yet dlip has a buring feeling that Cortland may just derail MSU's good fortune. We shall see.

[JT]

Should Pat be sending out that info??  I think not.  Pat runs D3.com and therefor has an obvious interest in the poll.  Pollsters should go about finding their own information and gauge the criteria they use individually.  If everyone is given the same 'packet', this will undoubtedly direct voters down a certain path.  If Pat has faith in each pollster to ask them to be involved, he should have the same faith that they should do their own research and present an unbiased poll.  By sending the exact same info to everyone, don't you run the danger of a biased product?

This model worked wonders when I was at Baseball Weekly and we ran the Division I baseball coaches' poll. I'm not concerned. Leaving 25 voters to do their own research would lead to a pretty piss-poor preseason poll because who has the time to do all that work? All I do is provide the baseline so that voters are educated about what is outside their area. They still are free to use their brains.

I think perhaps you don't know how difficult it is to rank 25 teams of 238. It's not like a regional poll. I can't ask them to spend as much time on it as you seem to expect. They all have teams to coach, games to cover, stories to write, news releases to send out, etc.

seems like a good starting point...its not like the games are on espn/cbs/nbc every week. So if pbr was a pollster living here in eastern pa. any info/baseline someone could give me on linfield, etc with not getting a chance to see them would be appreciated. Would still do a bunch of research on my own to figure out where each team would be slotted but w/o influencing anyone and giving good background information is a good way to start.

Technology helps a lot.  A gmail account.  Set it up to look for certain news, and one can be pretty informed spending 10-15 minutes a day.  Plus, there are certain posters around the country that draw a lot of respect. And don't forget the regional fan polls.  I've used all these sources. I'd take this as the definitive poll top 25 for D3.

I don't know all the voters, but the ones I know, are top notch.  I would imagine the rest are too.

These don't help much in July, though -- are you saying you were doing all that research and had all those sources available for the preseason poll?

Nope.  During the season I'd spend a a few minutes a day checking emailed articles, and surfing post patterns.  Preseason is really up to how thorough school submissions are to your inquiries. 

[Knightstalker]

Not many points separating the top 3 teams....

MSU up to #14 in the Top 25...not sure even if they go 10-0 if the 'Hawks would surpass DVC (currently #9) in the national poll.

Overall: 6-0 - Conference: 5-0
9/11 vs. Westfield State •  W, 34-0  BX 
9/18 vs. Rowan * •  W, 26-7  RC 
9/25 at Morrisville State * •  W, 42-6  BX RC 
10/1 at Kean * •  W, 21-7  BX RC 
10/9 vs. New Jersey * •  W, 30-14  BX RC 
10/16 vs. Buffalo State * •  W, 35-20  BX 
10/23 at Western Connecticut * •  12:00 PM  LS 
10/30 at Cortland State * •  1:00 PM  LS A 
11/6 vs. Brockport State * •  1:00 PM  LS A 
11/13 at William Paterson * •  1:00 PM 


dlip is very happy for MSU's early season success and feels they are DEFINITELY a top 20 team. To dlip #14 may not be all that far off honestly. Yet dlip has a buring feeling that Cortland may just derail MSU's good fortune. We shall see.

Watch out for Willy P too, they are a dangerous team.

[Pat Coleman]

Should Pat be sending out that info??  I think not.  Pat runs D3.com and therefor has an obvious interest in the poll.  Pollsters should go about finding their own information and gauge the criteria they use individually.  If everyone is given the same 'packet', this will undoubtedly direct voters down a certain path.  If Pat has faith in each pollster to ask them to be involved, he should have the same faith that they should do their own research and present an unbiased poll.  By sending the exact same info to everyone, don't you run the danger of a biased product?

This model worked wonders when I was at Baseball Weekly and we ran the Division I baseball coaches' poll. I'm not concerned. Leaving 25 voters to do their own research would lead to a pretty piss-poor preseason poll because who has the time to do all that work? All I do is provide the baseline so that voters are educated about what is outside their area. They still are free to use their brains.

I think perhaps you don't know how difficult it is to rank 25 teams of 238. It's not like a regional poll. I can't ask them to spend as much time on it as you seem to expect. They all have teams to coach, games to cover, stories to write, news releases to send out, etc.

seems like a good starting point...its not like the games are on espn/cbs/nbc every week. So if pbr was a pollster living here in eastern pa. any info/baseline someone could give me on linfield, etc with not getting a chance to see them would be appreciated. Would still do a bunch of research on my own to figure out where each team would be slotted but w/o influencing anyone and giving good background information is a good way to start.

Technology helps a lot.  A gmail account.  Set it up to look for certain news, and one can be pretty informed spending 10-15 minutes a day.  Plus, there are certain posters around the country that draw a lot of respect. And don't forget the regional fan polls.  I've used all these sources. I'd take this as the definitive poll top 25 for D3.

I don't know all the voters, but the ones I know, are top notch.  I would imagine the rest are too.

These don't help much in July, though -- are you saying you were doing all that research and had all those sources available for the preseason poll?

Nope.  During the season I'd spend a a few minutes a day checking emailed articles, and surfing post patterns.  Preseason is really up to how thorough school submissions are to your inquiries. 

Right, OK -- that is what I believe the discussion was originally about, was preseason.