East Region Fan Poll

[lewdogg11]

I am a little surprised to see that Ithaca was not in tne Top 10. I had them at #9. To be honest, I overlooked Williams. No knock on Hobart, but surprised with them at #9. I had Montclair at #1 and like I told Kaz when I sent my ballet, you can justify any order for the Top (3). By the end of Sept we should have a much better look.

My take on Williams, or anyone in the NESCAC, is unless someone is really sticking out by season's end, it's just a waste of a spot in the top 10 to put them on there.

dlip concurrs, any NESCAC team is a waste of a spot in this poll IDHO. dlip is really not trying to be spiteful or anything like that but if they don't play any OOC games and on top of that choose to not participate in the NCAA tournement, you deserve ZERO coverage from any national or regional poll. If one wants to play by themselves then they can have their own poll. dlip wouldn't want to waste the spot that could be filled by a fully participating member of D3 football.

There is D3...and DNESCAC...  The poll is for D3.

[Yanks 99]

Preseason Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Alfred( 2 )	0-0	62	NR	Open Date
2   Cortland State( 3 )	0-0	57	NR	vs. Buffalo State
3   Montclair State( 1 )	0-0	51	NR	Open Date
4   Rowan( 1 )	0-0	50	NR	at Lycoming
5   Delaware Valley	0-0	39	NR	vs. Muhlenberg
6   Salisbury	0-0	37	NR	vs. Newport News
7   Springfield	0-0	30	NR	Open Date
8   St. John Fisher	0-0	29	NR	Open Date
9   Hobart	0-0	8	NR	at Dickinson
10  Williams	0-0	5	NR	Open Date

Also Receiving votes:               
Ithaca 4
Endicott 3
Lebanon Valley 3
Lycoming 2
RPI 2
SUNY Maritime 2
Rochester 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Alfred (2,2,3,2,4,NR,1,NR,1,NR)
Cortland State (1,1,2,1,5,NR,2,NR,8,NR)
Montclair State (4,6,1,3,3,NR,3,NR,6,NR)
Rowan (3,3,4,7,1,NR,7,NR,2,NR)
Delaware Valley (8,7,5,4,7,NR,4,NR,3,NR)
Salisbury (6,5,6,6,2,NR,NR,NR,4,NR)
Springfield (9,4,7,5,6,NR,5,NR,NR,NR)
St. John Fisher (5,8,8,8,8,NR,6,NR,5,NR)
Hobart (10,10,NR,10,10,NR,NR,NR,7,NR)
Williams (7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR)
Ithaca (NR,NR,9,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Lebanon Valley (NR,NR,10,NR,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Lycoming (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR)
RPI (NR,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
SUNY Maritime (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR,NR,NR)
Rochester (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)

I was surprised to see SUNY Maritime get a #9 spot in someones poll (and two "votes").  Unless anyone in the ECFC keeps a non-conference game against any E8, NJAC, MAC, or LL team to under 50 by half time...they will never get my vote.

[Yanks 99]

Also...I agree with LewDogg about the NESCAC not getting votes in this poll...not trying to pick a fight here, but we have nothing to base how good their teams are because they do not play anyone else.  For all I know an undefeated NESCAC team is no better then an undefeated ECFC team like SUNY-Maritime last year.

[lewdogg11]

Yanks, didn't even notice that, but agree wholefartedly.  ECFC will not see a vote from me, OR the NEFC until atleast Week 8.  And probably not then either, unless St. Lawrence is winning the LL with a 4-5 record again.

[Yanks 99]

Yanks, didn't even notice that, but agree wholefartedly.  ECFC will not see a vote from me, OR the NEFC until atleast Week 8.  And probably not then either, unless St. Lawrence is winning the LL with a 4-5 record again.

Even if SLU does the "impossible" again (.500 record but league champs), I am sure I can find 10 teams better then anyone the NEFC or the ECFC have to offer.

I will actually be up at the SLU-Utica game this weekend...that is an interesting match up for both teams considering the way their seasons went last year.

[AZDutchman]

More questions??

*If you're thinking that Willliams shouldn't be in the poll, how did they end up in the last three polls of 2010?

*"There is D3...and DNESCAC...  The poll is for D3."
   So DNESCAC is not in the D3?

*Is there a place to see the 2010 playoff bracket?

[dlippiel]

Even if SLU does the "impossible" again (.500 record but league champs), I am sure I can find 10 teams better then anyone the NEFC or the ECFC have to offer.

dlip was very happy for SLU's success last year. With that said dlip really does not want the LL champ to have a 0-5 OOC record again though. If SLU can win it's OOC games and/or at least some of them, dlip will have no problem with them repeating. If not dlip, would prefer an undefeated or at least a team with a winning record to win the conferene title.

[Yanks 99]

Even if SLU does the "impossible" again (.500 record but league champs), I am sure I can find 10 teams better then anyone the NEFC or the ECFC have to offer.

dlip was very happy for SLU's success last year. With that said dlip really does not want the LL champ to have a 0-5 OOC record again though. If SLU can win it's OOC games and/or at least some of them, dlip will have no problem with them repeating. If not dlip, would prefer an undefeated or at least a team with a winning record to win the conferene title.

I agree with this 100%.  I am a pseudo outside "fan" of SLU...and you can look back last year that I was calling for Mark Raymond to receive some serious consideration for regional/national coach of the year for what he was able to do up there in Canton.  Like you said...you can handle almost anyone winning the league championship with even a 6-3 record.  From an overall "league" standpoint a 5-5 League Champ is tough...but I have to give them credit for getting the job done (and coming from nowhere).

[lewdogg11]

*"There is D3...and DNESCAC...  The poll is for D3."
   So DNESCAC is not in the D3?

For all rules, regulations, and requirements, yes, the NESCAC is D3.  But they are an isolated conference in football and all we would be doing is placing some team from that conference into a ranking system solely based on record or what we have heard, or for the 14 people who watch NESCAC games, on how you think they look or could match up. 

Hell, for all we know, the NESCAC might be leaps and bounds above the top teams of the East.  For all we know, they would get smacked down by the ECFC.  We have nothing to judge it on, we probably never will, so it is not worth a spot on this poll as far as i'm concerned.

[AUKaz00]

But we got some conversation rolling about East football, so the poll has done it's thing!  We do need one more pollster, preferrably not from the E8 or LL, since I misread a confirmation while collecting names.  Hopefully we can get this all sorted out and have 10 votes in the near future.

[dlippiel]

...or for the 14 people who watch NESCAC games, on how you think they look or could match up. 

A perfect example of why dlip is such a huge LD fan. ****ing priceless! +k

[AZDutchman]

*"There is D3...and DNESCAC...  The poll is for D3."
   So DNESCAC is not in the D3?

For all rules, regulations, and requirements, yes, the NESCAC is D3.  But they are an isolated conference in football and all we would be doing is placing some team from that conference into a ranking system solely based on record or what we have heard, or for the 14 people who watch NESCAC games, on how you think they look or could match up. 

Hell, for all we know, the NESCAC might be leaps and bounds above the top teams of the East.  For all we know, they would get smacked down by the ECFC.  We have nothing to judge it on, we probably never will, so it is not worth a spot on this poll as far as i'm concerned.

I just checked all the NESCAC teams schedules. I have never seen a conference only play within their own conference before?
I'm not sure if I would exclude them or not? Doesn't the comment, "They haven't played any real teams yet", come up quite often through out the entire D3 league?

[AZDutchman]

I'm still wondering why Williams was considered in the polls last year, but not wanting to include them this year??

[lewdogg11]

*"There is D3...and DNESCAC...  The poll is for D3."
   So DNESCAC is not in the D3?

For all rules, regulations, and requirements, yes, the NESCAC is D3.  But they are an isolated conference in football and all we would be doing is placing some team from that conference into a ranking system solely based on record or what we have heard, or for the 14 people who watch NESCAC games, on how you think they look or could match up. 

Hell, for all we know, the NESCAC might be leaps and bounds above the top teams of the East.  For all we know, they would get smacked down by the ECFC.  We have nothing to judge it on, we probably never will, so it is not worth a spot on this poll as far as i'm concerned.

I just checked all the NESCAC teams schedules. I have never seen a conference only play within their own conference before?
I'm not sure if I would exclude them or not? Doesn't the comment, "They haven't played any real teams yet", come up quite often through out the entire D3 league?

Every other conference in the East sends a representative(or atleast intends to send one) to the playoffs where they can branch out of their incest-fest conference play and you can have an idea where they match up overall.  NESCAC does not.  Why am I defending this?  I'm pretty sure my logic makes sense to everyone else here.  You don't have to agree, but you should be able to understand my logic.

[lewdogg11]

I'm still wondering why Williams was considered in the polls last year, but not wanting to include them this year??

Other people can choose to include them if they want.  I'm just letting you know that I won't.