East Region Fan Poll

[lewdogg11]

RE the Nescac.

I'll include the Nescac teams in the poll because I usually catch 1-2 nescac games a year and 1-2 NEFC/ECFC games a year.  The Nescac top three teams would be 6-4 or 7-3 in the E8 or LL, while the bottom 5 teams would go 2-8 in those leagues (if they went in alone)

I will have to take your word for it JU...7-3 seems high....and again, it is tough to judge. 

As an example, based on watching Utica play IC and SJF the past two years, a lot of people argued that they would kill Hartwick (using Wick because it is easier for me to compare).  It probably made sense if you had to judge how Wick played against IC and SJF leading up to the Utica game.  Yet Wick won both. 

Now we are supposed to compare a team (from the NESCAC) that doesn't even play against any commom opponents?  To me...and me only...that makes it too tough to judge.  As far as I am concerned, they (the NESCAC football teams) are a club sport...nothing more.  And because of this, I will never cast a vote for them in my ERFP.

Ok, I think we can all agree that the E8 has been a bigger, more physical conference than the LL has been over the last two years.  If St. Lawrence can win the LL, then Trinity, Williams and Amherst would be able to win it as well.

Some of my opinion is also based on the fact that I coach high school football in MA and I see a lot the league all stars and all-state players going to Nescac schools.  Some of these players will even choose Williams over Harvard or Yale for football.

You aren't wrong in your assessment...and being in the position you are in, you will certainly have more insight on the type of players that go to the NESCAC.

I still won't vote for them...ever...but that doesn't mean you are wrong in your assessment.

I said it earlier (maybe yesterday?) that there is a definite possibility that the top NESCAC teams could mop the floor with the rest of the East.  But there's also a chance that they can't.  I could put Williams or Trinity at 1 in my poll every year and you can't really argue against me, cause maybe they are that good.  But because we have no real idea, it's tough to put them in a poll.  Just because good athletes go there doesn't mean they are just as good either.  It's the whole Mt. Union vs. a DI squad argument...They LOOK like they could compete...chances are they can't compete...but we probably will never find out.

[Jonny Utah]

RE the Nescac.

I'll include the Nescac teams in the poll because I usually catch 1-2 nescac games a year and 1-2 NEFC/ECFC games a year.  The Nescac top three teams would be 6-4 or 7-3 in the E8 or LL, while the bottom 5 teams would go 2-8 in those leagues (if they went in alone)

I will have to take your word for it JU...7-3 seems high....and again, it is tough to judge. 

As an example, based on watching Utica play IC and SJF the past two years, a lot of people argued that they would kill Hartwick (using Wick because it is easier for me to compare).  It probably made sense if you had to judge how Wick played against IC and SJF leading up to the Utica game.  Yet Wick won both. 

Now we are supposed to compare a team (from the NESCAC) that doesn't even play against any commom opponents?  To me...and me only...that makes it too tough to judge.  As far as I am concerned, they (the NESCAC football teams) are a club sport...nothing more.  And because of this, I will never cast a vote for them in my ERFP.

Ok, I think we can all agree that the E8 has been a bigger, more physical conference than the LL has been over the last two years.  If St. Lawrence can win the LL, then Trinity, Williams and Amherst would be able to win it as well.

Some of my opinion is also based on the fact that I coach high school football in MA and I see a lot the league all stars and all-state players going to Nescac schools.  Some of these players will even choose Williams over Harvard or Yale for football.

You aren't wrong in your assessment...and being in the position you are in, you will certainly have more insight on the type of players that go to the NESCAC.

I still won't vote for them...ever...but that doesn't mean you are wrong in your assessment.

I said it earlier (maybe yesterday?) that there is a definite possibility that the top NESCAC teams could mop the floor with the rest of the East.  But there's also a chance that they can't.  I could put Williams or Trinity at 1 in my poll every year and you can't really argue against me, cause maybe they are that good.  But because we have no real idea, it's tough to put them in a poll.  Just because good athletes go there doesn't mean they are just as good either.  It's the whole Mt. Union vs. a DI squad argument...They LOOK like they could compete...chances are they can't compete...but we probably will never find out.

I can see not ranking them at all since they don't really have any impact on the d3 world.  It just seems that sometimes late in the year we throw a bone to an NEFC team that is 7-0 but also hasn't played any other non-conference teams.  So why not put a nescac team there that we know is better?  As for the preseason poll, we can just put Union, Ithaca, Utica, RPI, Kean, or any other like school that we know isn't ranked just because they had an off year last year.  nescac schools like Williams, Trinity and Amherst are always in the top 3 because the other nescac schools really aren't that good.  But if one of them is 8-0 at the end of the season, I think they might be a top 10 d3 team if they did play other schools, while the 8-0 nefc team might not.

And although I only saw Mt. Union live once, they didn't look like a d1 or d1-aa team for that matter.  They had the same size as an E8 or LL team.  No 280 pound dlinemen.  No Olinemen over 6'5.  No 6'5 QB that could throw it 60 yards.  They just had some tough, quick players that didn't get full rides somewhere else.

[Bombers798891]

And although I only saw Mt. Union live once, they didn't look like a d1 or d1-aa team for that matter.  They had the same size as an E8 or LL team.  No 280 pound dlinemen.  No Olinemen over 6'5.  No 6'5 QB that could throw it 60 yards.  They just had some tough, quick players that didn't get full rides somewhere else.

I remember asking Jamie Donovan what it was like going up against MUC, and he said the size/strength jumped out at him. But he spent all day running into their line, so that's probably to be expected

[Jonny Utah]

And although I only saw Mt. Union live once, they didn't look like a d1 or d1-aa team for that matter.  They had the same size as an E8 or LL team.  No 280 pound dlinemen.  No Olinemen over 6'5.  No 6'5 QB that could throw it 60 yards.  They just had some tough, quick players that didn't get full rides somewhere else.

I remember asking Jamie Donovan what it was like going up against MUC, and he said the size/strength jumped out at him. But he spent all day running into their line, so that's probably to be expected

Oh yea he did.  But that Mt. Union had this DT All American Pat McCullough.  Mabye the best d3 player in the country and he was listed at 5'11 245 (probably 260 but still).  The other DT was listed under 250 as well (Parr?).

The oline was pretty big I remember, but they all weren't giants like you see some d3 teams these days.  Even Curry was probably bigger last year than Mt. Union was when I saw them.

[Pat Coleman]

I think that may tie back to the 2003 Stagg Bowl, when St. John's, much smaller on both sides of the ball, pretty much had its way with Mount Union. Seems to me like I remember that being Mount Union's reaction, to go just a little smaller and more athletic.

[rams1102]

Preseason Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Alfred( 2 )	0-0	62	NR	Open Date
2   Cortland State( 3 )	0-0	57	NR	vs. Buffalo State
3   Montclair State( 1 )	0-0	51	NR	Open Date
4   Rowan( 1 )	0-0	50	NR	at Lycoming
5   Delaware Valley	0-0	39	NR	vs. Muhlenberg
6   Salisbury	0-0	37	NR	vs. Newport News
7   Springfield	0-0	30	NR	Open Date
8   St. John Fisher	0-0	29	NR	Open Date
9   Hobart	0-0	8	NR	at Dickinson
10  Williams	0-0	5	NR	Open Date

Also Receiving votes:               
Ithaca 4
Endicott 3
Lebanon Valley 3
Lycoming 2
RPI 2
SUNY Maritime 2
Rochester 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Alfred (2,2,3,2,4,NR,1,NR,1,NR)
Cortland State (1,1,2,1,5,NR,2,NR,8,NR)
Montclair State (4,6,1,3,3,NR,3,NR,6,NR)
Rowan (3,3,4,7,1,NR,7,NR,2,NR)
Delaware Valley (8,7,5,4,7,NR,4,NR,3,NR)
Salisbury (6,5,6,6,2,NR,NR,NR,4,NR)
Springfield (9,4,7,5,6,NR,5,NR,NR,NR)
St. John Fisher (5,8,8,8,8,NR,6,NR,5,NR)
Hobart (10,10,NR,10,10,NR,NR,NR,7,NR)
Williams (7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR)
Ithaca (NR,NR,9,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Lebanon Valley (NR,NR,10,NR,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Lycoming (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR)
RPI (NR,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
SUNY Maritime (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR,NR,NR)
Rochester (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)

Kaz,

Just want to make sure that you received my week #1 Poll. Thanks.

Dave !!!

[Ralph Turner]

Preseason Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Alfred( 2 )	0-0	62	NR	Open Date
2   Cortland State( 3 )	0-0	57	NR	vs. Buffalo State
3   Montclair State( 1 )	0-0	51	NR	Open Date
4   Rowan( 1 )	0-0	50	NR	at Lycoming
5   Delaware Valley	0-0	39	NR	vs. Muhlenberg
6   Salisbury	0-0	37	NR	vs. Newport News
7   Springfield	0-0	30	NR	Open Date
8   St. John Fisher	0-0	29	NR	Open Date
9   Hobart	0-0	8	NR	at Dickinson
10  Williams	0-0	5	NR	Open Date

Also Receiving votes:               
Ithaca 4
Endicott 3
Lebanon Valley 3
Lycoming 2
RPI 2
SUNY Maritime 2
Rochester 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Alfred (2,2,3,2,4,NR,1,NR,1,NR)
Cortland State (1,1,2,1,5,NR,2,NR,8,NR)
Montclair State (4,6,1,3,3,NR,3,NR,6,NR)
Rowan (3,3,4,7,1,NR,7,NR,2,NR)
Delaware Valley (8,7,5,4,7,NR,4,NR,3,NR)
Salisbury (6,5,6,6,2,NR,NR,NR,4,NR)
Springfield (9,4,7,5,6,NR,5,NR,NR,NR)
St. John Fisher (5,8,8,8,8,NR,6,NR,5,NR)
Hobart (10,10,NR,10,10,NR,NR,NR,7,NR)
Williams (7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR)
Ithaca (NR,NR,9,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Lebanon Valley (NR,NR,10,NR,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Lycoming (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR)
RPI (NR,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
SUNY Maritime (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR,NR,NR)
Rochester (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)

HSCTiger74 alerted me to your including Salisbury in your East Region Fan Poll.

We will be including Salisbury in the South Region Fan Poll.  This should be interesting to follow.

Once again, thanks to all of the contributors, both pollsters and pundits, on this board.  Your discussions help us out-of-region fans sort out what is happening in the East Region.

[AUKaz00]

I was hoping to have this out today, but with the holiday I only have 5 submissions so I'll hold off until tomorrow (and miss deadline for the Alfred Sun - sorry Pep!).

[AUPepBand]

I was hoping to have this out today, but with the holiday I only have 5 submissions so I'll hold off until tomorrow (and miss deadline for the Alfred Sun - sorry Pep!).

If you get it together tonight or tomorrow morning, the editor can likely still get it in. Stop the Presses!!

[Yanks 99]

I was hoping to have this out today, but with the holiday I only have 5 submissions so I'll hold off until tomorrow (and miss deadline for the Alfred Sun - sorry Pep!).

Kaz...I will have my info to you tomorrow morning...

[AUKaz00]

Week 1 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Alfred( 2 )	0-0	72	1	vs. RPI
2   Cortland State( 4 )	1-0	71	2	Open Date
3   Montclair State( 1 )	0-0	63	3	vs. Salve Regina
4   Salisbury( 1 )	1-0	59	6	vs. Ithaca
5   St. John Fisher	0-0	40	7	vs. Buffalo State
6   Springfield	0-0	35	8	vs. Frostburg State
7   Delaware Valley	1-0	33	5	at #8 (South) Washington & Jefferson
8   Hobart	1-0	23	9	Open Date
9   Lycoming	1-0	17	NR	at Westminster (PA)
10  Rowan	0-1	11	4	Open Date

Dropped Out:
#10 Williams


Also Receiving votes:               
Ithaca 6
Williams 4
Lebanon Valley 2
RPI 2
Rochester 1
Utica 1

            
Voting Distribution:            

Alfred (2,2,3,2,3,NR,2,NR,1,1)
Cortland State (1,1,2,1,4,NR,1,NR,3,4)
Montclair State (3,5,1,3,2,NR,3,NR,5,3)
Salisbury (5,4,4,6,1,NR,5,NR,2,2)
St. John Fisher (4,7,6,7,8,NR,7,NR,4,5)
Delaware Valley (NR,6,8,4,7,NR,4,NR,8,7)
Hobart (6,8,7,9,10,NR,9,NR,7,9)
Lycoming (9,10,NR,10,NR,NR,8,NR,6,6)
Rowan (8,NR,10,NR,6,NR,NR,NR,9,NR)
Ithaca (NR,NR,9,8,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR)
Williams (7,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Lebanon Valley (NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
RPI (NR,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Rochester (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
Utica (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10)


Key Matchups:
RPI at #1 Alfred
Ithaca at #4 Salisbury
#7 Delaware Valley at #8 (South) Washington & Jefferson

[AUKaz00]

Week 2 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Alfred( 6 )	1-0	78	1	vs. St. Lawrence
2   Cortland State( 2 )	1-0	65	2	vs. #5 Kean
3   Salisbury	2-0	60	4	at Christopher Newport
4   Montclair State	1-0	54	3	at Morrisville State
5   Kean	1-0	37	NR	at #2 Cortland
6   Delaware Valley	2-0	36	7	vs. Lebanon Valley
7   Springfield	1-0	33	6	vs. Husson
8   Lycoming	2-0	26	9	at Widener
9t  Hobart	1-0	22	8	Open Date
9t  St. John Fisher	1-0	22	5	vs. Rochester

Dropped Out:
#10 Rowan


Also Receiving votes:               
Rowan 5
Endicott 1
Rochester 1

            
Voting Distribution:            

Alfred (2,1,1,N2,1,NR,1,NR,1,1)
Cortland State (1,2,3,1,3,NR,3,NR,4,6)
Salisbury (4,4,4,6,2,NR,4,NR,2,2)
Montclair State (5,5,2,3,4,NR,2,NR,6,7)
Kean (3,6,NR,5,7,NR,NR,NR,3,5)
Delaware Valley (NR,7,6,4,5,NR,6,NR,9,4)
Springfield (10,3,5,7,6,NR,5,NR,NR,8)
Lycoming (9,9,8,10,NR,NR,7,NR,5,3)
Hobart (6,10,7,9,9,NR,9,NR,7,9)
St. John Fisher (7,8,9,8,8,NR,8,NR,8,10)
Rowan (8,NR,10,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Endicott (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR)
Rochester (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)


Key Matchups:
#5 Kean at #2 Cortland State
Rochester at #9t St. John Fisher

[dlippiel]

dlip's week #3 picks:

Alfred vs SLU

This may get real ugly fast! The Saxons torched the unknown comodity called RPI last week on it's first six drives. At home again this week and welcoming the defending LL champs Alfred will most likely "Saxonize" the Saints.
52-14 Saxons

Cortland vs Kean

All of a sudden Kean is relevant in the king of the East Region hill discussion. This may not last long. Kean had an impressive win of Wesley last week that was great for the region and the NJAC as a whole. Kean gets brought back to reality this week but it'll be close.
28-24 Red Dragons

Salisbury @ Christopher Newport

dlip is no CN expert by any means but he knows enough to say that CN will not come out of this one on top. Salisbury had a less than impressive second half against a good bombers D last week and will not be happy with that let down. This is an opportunity to jump on a weaker opponent and gain some momentum going forward. The Gulls come out 3-0 after this week and win with a desisive victory at CN.
44-10 Gulls

Montclair St @ SUNY Morrisville

Not going to be much of a contest unless Montclair allows it to be. Not much to say here, Montclair may wish to put more of an exclamation point on this W than last weeks closer then comfort game against a good Salve Regina team.
45-3 Montclair

Delaware Valley vs Lebanon Valley

This game is usually supposed to be close but hasn't turned out that way. This may be the year Leb Val takes down The Aggies. Del Val has an excellent defense but it's offense has yet to explode. Two close wins to be 2-0 may just not be enough.
Lebanon Valley 24-17

Springfield vs Husson

Going to be even unglier than...
Pride runs and won't stop until next week 76-10

Lycoming @ Widener

Lycoming looks strong and that first week defensive W against the Profs still looks legit.
Lyco 17-6

SJF vs University of Rochester (Neutral Site) Courage Bowl

The LL needs this and U of R is coming off a very good defensive performance in their W against CWR. The yellowjackets have confidence and new accomplishments sitting on the horizen as we speak. This would be a HUGE win for U of R and the LL as a whole.
Unfortunately they still can't get to the horizen because Kramer's kid brother Kramer comes into his own as a QB.
SJF 27-24

This is the way dlip sees it for the East Regions top ten this week. Good luck to all teams and let's hope for exciting, competitive, and injury free football.

[AUKaz00]

Only have 5 submissions, so I'm going to hold off on posting.  Also, we are still short 2 pollsters in case there is anyone interested in participating.  Otherwise, we may just scale the poll down to fewer voters like the South Region.

[Yanks 99]

Only have 5 submissions, so I'm going to hold off on posting.  Also, we are still short 2 pollsters in case there is anyone interested in participating.  Otherwise, we may just scale the poll down to fewer voters like the South Region.

Kaz...did you get the my info???