East Region Fan Poll

[DanPadavona]

I think Eastern Region has a good chance to have 2 undefeated teams this season IF Hobart survives against Fisher. The LL looks down again, so I can't see Hobart losing again after the Fisher game. Alfred looks like a monster so far, and I think they can run the table despite a difficult strength of schedule.

I believe the NJAC will be won by a team with 1 loss. Too many teams within 3-7 points of each other to run the table, imo. Wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Buffalo State plant a loss on either Kean, TCNJ, Montclair, or Rowan.

[AUKaz00]

Food for thought while I put together the week 3 rankings: is Montclair better than Ithaca based on their results to date?

Montclair beat Salve Regina 18-7 who beat Union on a last second field goal.  The same Union that Ithaca just homogenized (copyright dlip).  And the Red Hawks squeaked out a win against Moo'ville that also lost to Hartwick who no one is picking to finish better than Ithaca in the E8.

[AUKaz00]

Week 3 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Alfred( 4 )	2-0	58	1	vs. #6 Springfield
2   Kean( 2 )	2-0	56	5	at Western Connecticut
3   Salisbury	3-0	41	3	Open Date
4   Cortland State	1-1	34	2	at Rowan
5   Montclair State	2-0	31	4	vs. Buffalo State
6   Springfield	2-0	29	7	at #1 Alfred
7   Delaware Valley	3-0	28	6	at FDU-Florham
8   St. John Fisher	2-0	27	9t	vs. #9 Hobart
9   Hobart	1-0	17	9t	at #8 St. John Fisher
10  Widener	3-0	5	NR	at Wilkes

Dropped Out:
#8 Lycoming


Also Receiving votes:               
Albright 2
Endicott 1
Rowan 1

            
Voting Distribution:            

Alfred (2,1,1,1,NR,NR,1,NR,2,NR)
Kean (1,2,2,2,NR,NR,2,NR,1,NR)
Salisbury (5,4,3,5,NR,NR,5,NR,3,NR)
Cortland State (3,6,4,7,NR,NR,4,NR,8,NR)
Montclair State (NR,7,7,3,NR,NR,3,NR,4,NR)
Springfield (7,3,5,6,NR,NR,6,NR,10,NR)
Delaware Valley (6,8,6,4,NR,NR,7,NR,7,NR)
St. John Fisher (4,5,9,8,NR,NR,8,NR,5,NR)
Hobart (8,9,8,9,NR,NR,9,NR,6,NR)
Widener (10,10,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR)
Albright (9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Endicott (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR)
Rowan (NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)


Key Matchups:
#6 Springfield at #1 Alfred
#9 Hobart at #8 St. John Fisher

[maxpower]

Food for thought while I put together the week 3 rankings: is Montclair better than Ithaca based on their results to date?

Montclair beat Salve Regina 18-7 who beat Union on a last second field goal.  The same Union that Ithaca just homogenized (copyright dlip).  And the Red Hawks squeaked out a win against Moo'ville that also lost to Hartwick who no one is picking to finish better than Ithaca in the E8.

+k for the love. good points, too... of course, i'm sure someone will trot out the "hartwick could have beaten oklahoma" train we see every year....

[AUKaz00]

Food for thought while I put together the week 3 rankings: is Montclair better than Ithaca based on their results to date?

Montclair beat Salve Regina 18-7 who beat Union on a last second field goal.  The same Union that Ithaca just homogenized (copyright dlip).  And the Red Hawks squeaked out a win against Moo'ville that also lost to Hartwick who no one is picking to finish better than Ithaca in the E8.

+k for the love. good points, too... of course, i'm sure someone will trot out the "hartwick could have beaten oklahoma" train we see every year....

Yeah, I was thinking of that as well since comparative scores can be deceiving, but it struck me that Montclair ended up 5th in the East fan rankings (and 14th in the nation) while Ithaca didn't get a single vote in either.

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks, AUKaz00.  +1! 

[Bombers798891]

Week 3 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Alfred( 4 )	2-0	58	1	vs. #6 Springfield
2   Kean( 2 )	2-0	56	5	at Western Connecticut
3   Salisbury	3-0	41	3	Open Date
4   Cortland State	1-1	34	2	at Rowan
5   Montclair State	2-0	31	4	vs. Buffalo State
6   Springfield	2-0	29	7	at #1 Alfred
7   Delaware Valley	3-0	28	6	at FDU-Florham
8   St. John Fisher	2-0	27	9t	vs. #9 Hobart
9   Hobart	1-0	17	9t	at #8 St. John Fisher
10  Widener	3-0	5	NR	at Wilkes

Dropped Out:
#8 Lycoming


Also Receiving votes:               
Albright 2
Endicott 1
Rowan 1

            
Voting Distribution:            

Alfred (2,1,1,1,NR,NR,1,NR,2,NR)
Kean (1,2,2,2,NR,NR,2,NR,1,NR)
Salisbury (5,4,3,5,NR,NR,5,NR,3,NR)
Cortland State (3,6,4,7,NR,NR,4,NR,8,NR)
Montclair State (NR,7,7,3,NR,NR,3,NR,4,NR)
Springfield (7,3,5,6,NR,NR,6,NR,10,NR)
Delaware Valley (6,8,6,4,NR,NR,7,NR,7,NR)
St. John Fisher (4,5,9,8,NR,NR,8,NR,5,NR)
Hobart (8,9,8,9,NR,NR,9,NR,6,NR)
Widener (10,10,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR)
Albright (9,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Endicott (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR)
Rowan (NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)


Key Matchups:
#6 Springfield at #1 Alfred
#9 Hobart at #8 St. John Fisher

Can I make a suggestion? Can you eliminate the NR's for voters who didn't vote? It sort of clutters up the page when you're looking at it, especially since the spacing is different. Just an idea

[dlippiel]

dlip apologizes for not getting his poll in...he said poll in , this week. Kaz, he had a crazy Sunday/Monday and he will make sure he gets it in early for the rest of the season. Heah, sometimes you need to just call yourself out ya know.

[AUKaz00]

Can you eliminate the NR's for voters who didn't vote?

I was debating that while putting it together this week.  I'll move ahead with that process in the future unless anyone has an objection to it.

[AUKaz00]

Week 4 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Alfred( 5 )	3-0	59	1	at St. John Fisher
2   Kean( 1 )	3-0	43	2	vs. #10 New Jersey
3   Salisbury	3-0	42	3	at Utica
4t  Cortland State	2-1	38	4	vs. Morrisville State
4t  Montclair State	3-0	38	5	at Brockport State
6   Hobart	2-0	35	9	vs. St. Lawrence
7   Delaware Valley	4-0	31	7	at FDU-Florham
8   Springfield	2-1	25	6	at Merchant Marine
9   Albright	3-0	10	NR	at Lycoming
10  New Jersey	3-0	4	NR	at #2 Kean

Dropped Out:
#8 St. John Fisher
#10 Widener


Also Receiving votes:               
Endicott 2
Rowan 2
St. John Fisher 1

            
Voting Distribution:            

Alfred (1,1,1,1,1,2)
Kean (5,2,5,2,8,1)
Salisbury (4,3,4,5,5,3)
Cortland State (2,8,2,7,2,7)
Montclair State (7,6,3,3,4,5)
Hobart (3,4,7,6,7,4)
Delaware Valley (6,7,6,4,6,6)
Springfield (8,5,8,8,3,9)
Albright (9,NR,9,9,10,8)
New Jersey (NR,9,NR,10,NR,NR,10)
Endicott (NR,10,10,NR,NR,NR)
Rowan (NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR)
St. John Fisher (10,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)


Key Matchups:
#10 New Jersey at #2 Kean

[pumkinattack]

Interesting poll. 

I'm the last set of votes (and the only oone who has Kean first, believe me, I'd rather have an E8 team there) for disclosure, but I'd be curious to hear about the #8 vote on Kean.  Is it just that someone doesn't trust the NJAC with only one OOC game (a good one for them for sure), or something else.  I have a hard time ignoring back to back wins over Wesley and Cortland though.  AU's done everything they're supposed to up til now, but the body doesn't seem to have the same kind of win. 

Haven't posted in a week, but the Hobart win was a very good one.  They return a lot of guys including a very veteran OL that runs 9-10 deep.  The questions were on the DL and at QB.  QB looks pretty resolved, I think.  We'll see about the DL, but I think the DE's are improved over last year and gives more heft to the DL.  If they hold up, no matter how the rest of the LL looks, Hobart is a playoff team.  Still (sadly) 3/4 of the season to go. 

[Yanks 99]

Interesting poll. 

I'm the last set of votes (and the only oone who has Kean first, believe me, I'd rather have an E8 team there) for disclosure, but I'd be curious to hear about the #8 vote on Kean.  Is it just that someone doesn't trust the NJAC with only one OOC game (a good one for them for sure), or something else.  I have a hard time ignoring back to back wins over Wesley and Cortland though.  AU's done everything they're supposed to up til now, but the body doesn't seem to have the same kind of win. 

Haven't posted in a week, but the Hobart win was a very good one.  They return a lot of guys including a very veteran OL that runs 9-10 deep.  The questions were on the DL and at QB.  QB looks pretty resolved, I think.  We'll see about the DL, but I think the DE's are improved over last year and gives more heft to the DL.  If they hold up, no matter how the rest of the LL looks, Hobart is a playoff team.  Still (sadly) 3/4 of the season to go.

Pumkin, for full disclosure, I am the #4 voter in the poll. 

Off-hand, I would guess that the person who has Kean #8 has probably made a simple mistake or simply looked quick at the records and was hasty with their vote.   There is no way a rational person could have and undefeated Kean ranked #8...while having a one-loss Cortland team ranked #2 (who Kean beat...at Cortland) and a one-loss Springfield team ranked #3.  Let's say we ignore the victory over Wesley (impossible and stupid to do, for sure)...and it still doesn't make any sense.  I am more then OK with ranking Alfred ahead of Kean for now (as I have Alfred ranked #1 and Kean #2) based on where you had Alfred ranked to start the year, but to have Kean ranked 6 spots below a team they beat while remaining undefeated is crazy...

[Bombers798891]

Here's the only thing I can think of with Kean--and I'm not a voter, so I'm just spitballing here:

In their win over Wesley, they were outgained 463-295 and allowed 24 first downs to the 17 they had. Against Cortland, they were ougained 455-277, and allowed 26 first downs to the 15 they had. And W. Conn is terrible, yet Kean didn't exactly astound there

So in two games against quality opponents, Kean was outgained 918-572 and allowed 50 first downs while getting 32. Now, Kean's special teams have been out of this world, and they've scored a touchdown each week, which can skew these numbers. But, I could see the argument that Kean hasn't really played as well as their record indicates. I don't personally believe that puts them eighth, but I can sort of see the argument.

I wouldn't have them over Springfield however. The Pride have beaten two not good teams, and lost the only tough game they played. I think #3 is way too high for them right now

[lewdogg11]

More confusing is that 3 voters have Cortland at 2???  Cortland lost to Kean who also beat #3 in the country(at the time) Wesley.  Having Cortland ahead of Kean is ludicrous at this point.  To me it's people not paying attention to what is going on.  The other voters have Cortland at 7 and 8 which I think is way more appropriate, at least at this point in the season.

[AUKaz00]

Well, as one of the Cortland over Kean voters, I think the Red Dragons (and Wolverines) are a better team than the Cougars.  Cougars, hehe.  Yes, they won both games and hats off to them for overperforming, but as Bombers pointed out they were outplayed on Offense and Defense and made West Conn look like a decent team.  That has to count for something.