East Region Fan Poll

[XREDDRAGON77]

XRed hasn't been to Montclair for a game in ages. I am sure both teams will take care of buisiness this week setting up a great game for October 8th.  That should help sort things out.

[Doid23]

Both of those guys were head scratchers from the get go.  No way were you like "YES, WE GOT JD DREW!!!".  Same way I felt about Crawford and with re-signing Beckett.  You get to the point of spending money just cause you can. Kind of how I imagine Yankees fans felt about guys like Sheffield and AJ Burnett.

Exactly. And don't forget A-Rod. I'm actually to the point that the Yankees spending is starting to make this all feel empty, where if they win they were supposed to, and anything less than winning the WS is a failure. As opposed to the Yankees run in the late 90's, which was accomplished with home grown players and smart, value trades. THAT was a team that I loved rooting for, especially after the doldrums of the early 90's.

I'm a die hard Yankee fan, but this Red Sox thing is more akward than enjoyable. But yet, I still fear them more than the Rays if they were to meet in the ALCS.

No more awkward than, say, blowing a 3-0 lead in an ALCS...

But certainly less akward than, say, blowing the 1986 World Series with 1 out to go...

[Frank Rossi]

Both of those guys were head scratchers from the get go.  No way were you like "YES, WE GOT JD DREW!!!".  Same way I felt about Crawford and with re-signing Beckett.  You get to the point of spending money just cause you can. Kind of how I imagine Yankees fans felt about guys like Sheffield and AJ Burnett.

Exactly. And don't forget A-Rod. I'm actually to the point that the Yankees spending is starting to make this all feel empty, where if they win they were supposed to, and anything less than winning the WS is a failure. As opposed to the Yankees run in the late 90's, which was accomplished with home grown players and smart, value trades. THAT was a team that I loved rooting for, especially after the doldrums of the early 90's.

I'm a die hard Yankee fan, but this Red Sox thing is more akward than enjoyable. But yet, I still fear them more than the Rays if they were to meet in the ALCS.

No more awkward than, say, blowing a 3-0 lead in an ALCS...

But certainly less akward than, say, blowing the 1986 World Series with 1 out to go...

A little different since it's pegged on one player (Buckner).  We're discussing team collapses here, I thought.

[Bombers798891]

Both of those guys were head scratchers from the get go.  No way were you like "YES, WE GOT JD DREW!!!".  Same way I felt about Crawford and with re-signing Beckett.  You get to the point of spending money just cause you can. Kind of how I imagine Yankees fans felt about guys like Sheffield and AJ Burnett.

Exactly. And don't forget A-Rod. I'm actually to the point that the Yankees spending is starting to make this all feel empty, where if they win they were supposed to, and anything less than winning the WS is a failure. As opposed to the Yankees run in the late 90's, which was accomplished with home grown players and smart, value trades. THAT was a team that I loved rooting for, especially after the doldrums of the early 90's.

I'm a die hard Yankee fan, but this Red Sox thing is more akward than enjoyable. But yet, I still fear them more than the Rays if they were to meet in the ALCS.

No more awkward than, say, blowing a 3-0 lead in an ALCS...

But certainly less akward than, say, blowing the 1986 World Series with 1 out to go...

A little different since it's pegged on one player (Buckner).  We're discussing team collapses here, I thought.

Except that pegging it on one player is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened.

I mean, ignore the fact that it was 5-3 Boston with two outs and no-one on base before Calvin Schiraldi--who had blown a 3-2 lead in the 8th inning--allowed three straight singles. Then ignore that Bob Stanley came in an uncorked a wild pitch that tied the game.

Then in Game 7, forget that the Red Sox had a 3-0 lead in the 6th inning when Bruce Hurst allowed three runs to tie the game. Or that trailing 6-5 in the 7th, the Red Sox had the tying run on 2nd with no-one out, but Rich Gedman, Dave Henderson, and Don Baylor failed to get the runner in.

Of course, this also ignores the fact that the Red Sox were only in Game 6 because they failed to capitalize on winning the first two games in Shea Stadium and were soundly beaten in Games 3 and 4 at home.

Yeah, it was all Buckner's fault. Everyone else did their jobs to a T.

[Jonny Utah]

Both of those guys were head scratchers from the get go.  No way were you like "YES, WE GOT JD DREW!!!".  Same way I felt about Crawford and with re-signing Beckett.  You get to the point of spending money just cause you can. Kind of how I imagine Yankees fans felt about guys like Sheffield and AJ Burnett.

Exactly. And don't forget A-Rod. I'm actually to the point that the Yankees spending is starting to make this all feel empty, where if they win they were supposed to, and anything less than winning the WS is a failure. As opposed to the Yankees run in the late 90's, which was accomplished with home grown players and smart, value trades. THAT was a team that I loved rooting for, especially after the doldrums of the early 90's.

I'm a die hard Yankee fan, but this Red Sox thing is more akward than enjoyable. But yet, I still fear them more than the Rays if they were to meet in the ALCS.

No more awkward than, say, blowing a 3-0 lead in an ALCS...

But certainly less akward than, say, blowing the 1986 World Series with 1 out to go...

A little different since it's pegged on one player (Buckner).  We're discussing team collapses here, I thought.

Except that pegging it on one player is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened.

I mean, ignore the fact that it was 5-3 Boston with two outs and no-one on base before Calvin Schiraldi--who had blown a 3-2 lead in the 8th inning--allowed three straight singles. Then ignore that Bob Stanley came in an uncorked a wild pitch that tied the game.

Then in Game 7, forget that the Red Sox had a 3-0 lead in the 6th inning when Bruce Hurst allowed three runs to tie the game. Or that trailing 6-5 in the 7th, the Red Sox had the tying run on 2nd with no-one out, but Rich Gedman, Dave Henderson, and Don Baylor failed to get the runner in.

Of course, this also ignores the fact that the Red Sox were only in Game 6 because they failed to capitalize on winning the first two games in Shea Stadium and were soundly beaten in Games 3 and 4 at home.

Yeah, it was all Buckner's fault. Everyone else did their jobs to a T.

You do have to admit that a grounder between the legs is a little different than all of the other things you mention.  The wild pitch might fall into that category but come on.  Most World Series are won or lost by players leaving batters on base, letting up a few hits in a row, not putting games away etc.

[AUKaz00]

Thought I'd try to steer this discussion back toward the subject by pointing out that Williams received 3 votes in the D3 Top 25 poll.

[Jonny Utah]

Thought I'd try to steer this discussion back toward the subject by pointing out that Williams received 3 votes in the D3 Top 25 poll.

Which kind of shocks me since they just squeezed by a weak Bowdoin team.  I predict Trinity will replace them next week when they beat them by 2TDs.

[Bombers798891]

Both of those guys were head scratchers from the get go.  No way were you like "YES, WE GOT JD DREW!!!".  Same way I felt about Crawford and with re-signing Beckett.  You get to the point of spending money just cause you can. Kind of how I imagine Yankees fans felt about guys like Sheffield and AJ Burnett.

Exactly. And don't forget A-Rod. I'm actually to the point that the Yankees spending is starting to make this all feel empty, where if they win they were supposed to, and anything less than winning the WS is a failure. As opposed to the Yankees run in the late 90's, which was accomplished with home grown players and smart, value trades. THAT was a team that I loved rooting for, especially after the doldrums of the early 90's.

I'm a die hard Yankee fan, but this Red Sox thing is more akward than enjoyable. But yet, I still fear them more than the Rays if they were to meet in the ALCS.

No more awkward than, say, blowing a 3-0 lead in an ALCS...

But certainly less akward than, say, blowing the 1986 World Series with 1 out to go...

A little different since it's pegged on one player (Buckner).  We're discussing team collapses here, I thought.

Except that pegging it on one player is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened.

I mean, ignore the fact that it was 5-3 Boston with two outs and no-one on base before Calvin Schiraldi--who had blown a 3-2 lead in the 8th inning--allowed three straight singles. Then ignore that Bob Stanley came in an uncorked a wild pitch that tied the game.

Then in Game 7, forget that the Red Sox had a 3-0 lead in the 6th inning when Bruce Hurst allowed three runs to tie the game. Or that trailing 6-5 in the 7th, the Red Sox had the tying run on 2nd with no-one out, but Rich Gedman, Dave Henderson, and Don Baylor failed to get the runner in.

Of course, this also ignores the fact that the Red Sox were only in Game 6 because they failed to capitalize on winning the first two games in Shea Stadium and were soundly beaten in Games 3 and 4 at home.

Yeah, it was all Buckner's fault. Everyone else did their jobs to a T.

You do have to admit that a grounder between the legs is a little different than all of the other things you mention.  The wild pitch might fall into that category but come on.  Most World Series are won or lost by players leaving batters on base, letting up a few hits in a row, not putting games away etc.

If it were game 7 and the Red Sox were winning 5-4 at the time, yes. But even if Buckner makes the play, all it means is that the game goes to the 11th. The Red Sox don't win the World Series if Buckner fields it cleanly. And how can the error lose the series when there was still another game to play? Were the Red Sox incapable of winning Game 7? The jumped out to an early lead, so it appears not

[Jonny Utah]

Both of those guys were head scratchers from the get go.  No way were you like "YES, WE GOT JD DREW!!!".  Same way I felt about Crawford and with re-signing Beckett.  You get to the point of spending money just cause you can. Kind of how I imagine Yankees fans felt about guys like Sheffield and AJ Burnett.

Exactly. And don't forget A-Rod. I'm actually to the point that the Yankees spending is starting to make this all feel empty, where if they win they were supposed to, and anything less than winning the WS is a failure. As opposed to the Yankees run in the late 90's, which was accomplished with home grown players and smart, value trades. THAT was a team that I loved rooting for, especially after the doldrums of the early 90's.

I'm a die hard Yankee fan, but this Red Sox thing is more akward than enjoyable. But yet, I still fear them more than the Rays if they were to meet in the ALCS.

No more awkward than, say, blowing a 3-0 lead in an ALCS...

But certainly less akward than, say, blowing the 1986 World Series with 1 out to go...

A little different since it's pegged on one player (Buckner).  We're discussing team collapses here, I thought.

Except that pegging it on one player is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened.

I mean, ignore the fact that it was 5-3 Boston with two outs and no-one on base before Calvin Schiraldi--who had blown a 3-2 lead in the 8th inning--allowed three straight singles. Then ignore that Bob Stanley came in an uncorked a wild pitch that tied the game.

Then in Game 7, forget that the Red Sox had a 3-0 lead in the 6th inning when Bruce Hurst allowed three runs to tie the game. Or that trailing 6-5 in the 7th, the Red Sox had the tying run on 2nd with no-one out, but Rich Gedman, Dave Henderson, and Don Baylor failed to get the runner in.

Of course, this also ignores the fact that the Red Sox were only in Game 6 because they failed to capitalize on winning the first two games in Shea Stadium and were soundly beaten in Games 3 and 4 at home.

Yeah, it was all Buckner's fault. Everyone else did their jobs to a T.

You do have to admit that a grounder between the legs is a little different than all of the other things you mention.  The wild pitch might fall into that category but come on.  Most World Series are won or lost by players leaving batters on base, letting up a few hits in a row, not putting games away etc.

If it were game 7 and the Red Sox were winning 5-4 at the time, yes. But even if Buckner makes the play, all it means is that the game goes to the 11th. The Red Sox don't win the World Series if Buckner fields it cleanly. And how can the error lose the series when there was still another game to play? Were the Red Sox incapable of winning Game 7? The jumped out to an early lead, so it appears not

I'm not saying the Red Sox would have won that game or that Buckner lost the series for them, but if Buckner makes that play it means they don't lose that game at that point.  Making an error like that to lose a game is different than striking out to lose the game.  That is what makes the series remarkable. 

[Bombers798891]

I'm not saying the Red Sox would have won that game or that Buckner lost the series for them, but if Buckner makes that play it means they don't lose that game at that point.  Making an error like that to lose a game is different than striking out to lose the game.  That is what makes the series remarkable.

I know you're not. Frank's response was that the Red Sox losing the 1986 World Series , is, however blamed almost solely on Buckner, and in fact, that's how many people remember it.

And even though you're right that the error was the most memorable moment from that series, and it's what most people associate with the loss, Buckner's error was simply one step in an process that had a lot of culprits.

It's like the ESPN piece on Bartman's life after that foul ball in the 2003 NLCS. It's criminal that he's become the symbol of that collapse, when really, the Cubs just stunk the joint up. But it's easier in some ways for fans to scapegoat one guy than it is to admit your team as a whole played terribly.

I, for example, blame Max for Ithaca not being able to beat Fisher all these years. Him and his glasses

[lewdogg11]

I'm not saying the Red Sox would have won that game or that Buckner lost the series for them, but if Buckner makes that play it means they don't lose that game at that point.  Making an error like that to lose a game is different than striking out to lose the game.  That is what makes the series remarkable.

I know you're not. Frank's response was that the Red Sox losing the 1986 World Series , is, however blamed almost solely on Buckner, and in fact, that's how many people remember it.

And even though you're right that the error was the most memorable moment from that series, and it's what most people associate with the loss, Buckner's error was simply one step in an process that had a lot of culprits.

It's like the ESPN piece on Bartman's life after that foul ball in the 2003 NLCS. It's criminal that he's become the symbol of that collapse, when really, the Cubs just stunk the joint up. But it's easier in some ways for fans to scapegoat one guy than it is to admit your team as a whole played terribly.

I, for example, blame Max for Ithaca not being able to beat Fisher all these years. Him and his glasses

I still blame Grady Little for not taking Pedro out.

[pg04]

Good try Kaz, I applaud your efforts 

[AUKaz00]

If you can't beat 'em... That was the GREATEST night of baseball I have ever watched.  With mlb.tv open and flipping between all three games, I was able to catch all the action.  This was the baseball equivalent of March Madness and I will tell my grandchildren about this night!

[maxpower]

I, for example, blame Max for Ithaca not being able to beat Fisher all these years. Him and his glasses

I got contacts two years ago to go into hiding after running on the field and tipping the ball into a Fisher receiver's hand in 2004.


Seriously, Cubs fans are idiots. Moises Alou is an idiot.

[Doid23]

If you can't beat 'em... That was the GREATEST night of baseball I have ever watched.  With mlb.tv open and flipping between all three games, I was able to catch all the action.  This was the baseball equivalent of March Madness and I will tell my grandchildren about this night!

You have made PG sad, but I agree, that was insane last night. Not just what happened, but how it unfolded.