East Region Fan Poll

[AUKaz00]

If you can't beat 'em... That was the GREATEST night of baseball I have ever watched.  With mlb.tv open and flipping between all three games, I was able to catch all the action.  This was the baseball equivalent of March Madness and I will tell my grandchildren about this night!

You have made PG sad, but I agree, that was insane last night. Not just what happened, but how it unfolded.

Yeah, Sox and Braves fans can be excused from the enjoyment of what occurred, but it certainly seemed providential with the rain delay allowing both games to dramatically end within minutes of each other.  And all the insane plays the past 3 days to get to that point: the Andino 3 base error and throwing error which was scored an inside the parker, the triple play, the Dan Johnson equalizer.  Amazing. 

I guess Viper won't have time for us after all...

[lewdogg11]

Been a tough week on many fronts, so let's shake it up with some predictions:

LDstradamus's's's's Week 5 Predictions:

(H) St. John Fisher - 21
(A) Alfred - 31

(H) Kean - 28
(A) New Jersey - 10

(H) Utica - 24
(A) Salisbury - 35

(H) Cortland St. - 49
(A) Morrisville St. - 13

(H) Brockport St. - 16
(A) Montclair St. - 21

(H) Hobart - 51
(A) St. Lawrence - 17

(H) Delaware Valley - 27
(A) Stevenson - 6

(H) MMA - 9
(A) Springfield - 38

(H) Lycoming - 21
(A) Albright - 20

No huge upsets this week.  Lyco/Albright is my only upset, but Lyco at home I think is an equalizer.  I think Alfred takes care of a reeling Fisher team.  Kean exposes that TCNJ hasn't played anyone yet.  I think Utica Salisbury could be a shootout with the better team winning.  And Montclair might have a battle with Brockport.  The rest should be business as usual.

[maxpower]

No IC-'Wick pick?

[lewdogg11]

No IC-'Wick pick?

This is the Top 10 board.  I only picked those games.

[dlippiel]

                       dlip will give it a go:

Alfred 3-0 at St. John Fisher
dlip thinks this may be a tough one for The Saxons coming off a reall challenge last week. SJF is pissed and may just be up to knock Alfred from it's first place perch that seems to get more convincing each week. Saxons-28 Cardinals-24

Kean 3-0 vs. New Jersey
Looking at Kean's very impressive wins over Cortland and Wesley dlip was "****ing Shocked" at the result of last weeks close game against arguably the worst team in the east and maybe the nation. Why this result and performance hit dlip so hard he isn't quite sure. Just call it a feeling. Kean still wins this week and maybe restores dlip's confidence in them. Kean-42 TCNJ-17

Salisbury 3-0 at Utica
We have another pissed off team in Utica this week after losing on the road to a motiovated Frostburg team. it seems that anytime we even start to drink Utica cool-aide this team lays a big L that stops their gradual rise into the upper epchelon of the E8. The Gulls won't be ****ing around this week after a rabbits foot win over a not so good Christopher Newport team before the bye week. Utica has a solid Qb and some very athletic kids who will continue to make an impact on the program. Yet that impact will not happen this week. Closer than Salisbury would like but a W none the less. Gulls-28 Utica-13

Cortland State 2-1 vs. Morrisville State
Morrisville may be better than some thought but this week they get hammered by Pitcher and company. The Red Dragons are playing for their lives after losing to Kean (who they are arguably better than ) and will not lose this game to their young geographically close neighbor. Cortland-48 Mo'ville-6

Montclair State 3-0 at Brockport State
Montclair's offense and playcalling seem to have been in constant question by some but by putting up 53 on a capable Buff State team last week dlip has some renewed confidence in them. Their D is nasty and this team is looking to really make some noise in the tourney...if they get there. Montclair-34 Brockport-17

Hobart 2-0 vs. St. Lawrence
dlip's beloved LL provides us with a very interesting match-up between reigning LL champ SLU and what looks to be a very good Hobart Statesmen team. The Statesmen (who dlip picked to win the LL) will be looking for revenge for last years crazy loss to the Saints and will get it this week. With an eight game schedule this team almost "must" win the LL to get into the tourney, so every week is of top notch importance to the Pumpkins. dlip believes SLU is a decent team capable of more than two/three wins in LL play this season. Yet their running game will not be enough and ****, it's october, it's the season of the pumpkin. Bart rolls in the air and spreads the ball out on the ground again for multiple double digit runners! Hobart-38 SLU-17

Delaware Valley 4-0 at FDU-Florham
dlip admittingly knows **** about FDU-Florham and does not need to this week (no offense). Even with a young offense the Aggies are getting hot and starting to make many think the MAC is definitely theirs for the taking. Del Val-28 FDU-Florham 3

Springfield 2-1 at Merchant Marine
dlips favorite team outside the LL, Springfield, who joins the LL next season visits MMA and looks to rebound after a tough loss to #1 Alfred last week where their triple option offense was literally "stuffed" in the second half of this game. When the Pride gets rolling look out. If Carter is healthy for this game the Pride will roll big. Aside from the win over rival Coast Guard the mariners don't have alot to be happy about. This sadness continues. Pride-52 MMA-21

Albright 3-0 at Lycoming
Albright, (whom dlip voted for this week) looks to convince any doubters this week with a big W over a good (IDHO) Lyco team. Albright's 192 points in four game quite impressive. They will however run into a motivated defensive team in Lyco that held Rowan to six points but lost focus against a good Widener team two weeks ago. This one may be close. dlip is feeling the "slight" upset since the game is at Lyco. Lycoming-28 Albright-27

[AUKaz00]

Week 5 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Kean( 5 )	4-0	64	2	vs. Buffalo State
2   Salisbury	4-0	53	3	vs. #9 Springfield
3   Delaware Valley	4-0	50	7	at Wilkes
4   Montclair State	4-0	47	4t	vs. #5t Cortland State
5t  Cortland State( 2 )	3-1	46	4t	at #4 Montclair State
5t  Hobart	3-0	46	6	at Union
7   Alfred	3-1	32	1	vs. Hartwick
8   St. John Fisher	3-1	19	NR	at Ithaca
9   Springfield	3-1	12	8	at #2 Salisbury
10t Endicott	5-0	5	NR	at Nichols
10t New Jersey	3-1	5	10	vs. Brockport

Dropped Out:
#9 Albright


Also Receiving votes:               
Lycoming 3
Albright 1
Lebanon Valley 1
Rowan 1

            
Voting Distribution:            

Kean (5,1,3,1,1,1,1)
Salisbury (3,3,4,4,3,3,4)
Delaware Valley (4,5,7,3,2,4,2)
Montclair State (8,4,2,2,5,2,7)
Cortland State (1,8,1,6,4,5,6)
Hobart (2,2,6,5,7,6,3)
Alfred (6,6,5,8,6,9,5)
St. John Fisher (7,NR,9,7,9,7,8)
Springfield (NR,7,8,9,8,NR,NR)
Endicott (NR,9,NR,NR,NR,8,NR)
New Jersey (9,10,NR,NR,NR,NR,9)
Lycoming (10,NR,10,10,NR,NR,NR)
Albright (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10)
Lebanon Valley (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
Rowan (NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR)


Key Matchups:
#9 Springfield at #2 Salisbury
#5t Cortland State at #4 Montclair State

[lewdogg11]

Week 5 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Kean( 5 )	4-0	64	2	vs. Buffalo State
2   Salisbury	4-0	53	3	vs. #9 Springfield
3   Delaware Valley	4-0	50	7	at Wilkes
4   Montclair State	4-0	47	4t	vs. #5t Cortland State
5t  Cortland State( 2 )	3-1	46	4t	at #4 Montclair State
5t  Hobart	3-0	46	6	at Union
7   Alfred	3-1	32	1	vs. Hartwick
8   St. John Fisher	3-1	19	NR	at Ithaca
9   Springfield	3-1	12	8	at #2 Salisbury
10  New Jersey	3-1	6	10	vs. Brockport

Dropped Out:
#9 Albright


Also Receiving votes:               
Endicott 4
Lycoming 3
Albright 1
Lebanon Valley 1
Rowan 1

            
Voting Distribution:            

Kean (5,1,3,1,1,1,1)
Salisbury (3,3,4,4,3,3,4)
Delaware Valley (4,5,7,3,2,4,2)
Montclair State (8,4,2,2,5,2,7)
Cortland State (1,8,1,6,4,5,6)
Hobart (2,2,6,5,7,6,3)
Alfred (6,6,5,8,6,9,5)
St. John Fisher (7,NR,9,7,9,7,8)
Springfield (NR,7,8,9,8,NR,NR)
New Jersey (9,9,NR,NR,NR,NR,9)
Endicott (NR,10,NR,NR,NR,8,NR)
Lycoming (10,NR,10,10,NR,NR,NR)
Albright (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10)
Lebanon Valley (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
Rowan (NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR)


Key Matchups:
#9 Springfield at #2 Salisbury
#5t Cortland State at #4 Montclair State

Kaz, you messed up mine.  I have Endicott at 9 don't I?

[AUKaz00]

Kaz, you messed up mine.  I have Endicott at 9 don't I?

Indeed.  That'll force a tie for 10th.  I'll get the corrected version up shortly.

EDIT: Updated.

[SJFF82]

Interesting to see the wide spread voting disparities

A couple that jump out....Kean having so many 1's but also being as low as 5....dont recall seeing that in other years.

also, one voter has Hobart 2 (presumably on the strength of the blow-out of Fisher), yet that same voter has Fisher "NR" ;

...also Cortland with two "1" votes but also a "8" vote.

...and where is IC  (arent they 3-1 right now?)  Some teams getting vote(s) have similar records of 3-1 or 4-1 but their schedules are high schoolish so far.  Leb Valley's wins are against a combined 4-10 record (and one of those wins was against 1-4 Stevenson that is a 3pt win away from being 0-10 this year (assuming they lose the rest)  Lycoming and Albright have similar resumes in that their opponent's records are weak on their face and even weaker when you examine their opponent's victories.

Of course knowing how astute you all are, I just examined IC's resume in this same way and they are worse on paper....  I guess I was just ready to give IC the benefit of the doubt and partly because they are in a much stronger conference (albeit they havent beaten anyone in their conference worthy of note yet)

From the philosophy of ranking teams based not on their week to week performance but on how you feel they are as a whole, I would think IC is stronger than many teams ahead of them right now.

[lewdogg11]

Interesting to see the wide spread voting disparities

A couple that jump out....Kean having so many 1's but also being as low as 5....dont recall seeing that in other years.

also, one voter has Hobart 2 (presumably on the strength of the blow-out of Fisher), yet that same voter has Fisher "NR" ;

...also Cortland with two "1" votes but also a "8" vote.

...and where is IC  (arent they 3-1 right now?)  Some teams getting vote(s) have similar records of 3-1 or 4-1 but their schedules are high schoolish so far.  Leb Valley's wins are against a combined 4-10 record (and one of those wins was against 1-4 Stevenson that is a 3pt win away from being 0-10 this year (assuming they lose the rest)  Lycoming and Albright have similar resumes in that their opponent's records are weak on their face and even weaker when you examine their opponent's victories.

Of course knowing how astute you all are, I just examined IC's resume in this same way and they are worse on paper....  I guess I was just ready to give IC the benefit of the doubt and partly because they are in a much stronger conference (albeit they havent beaten anyone in their conference worthy of note yet)

From the philosophy of ranking teams based not on their week to week performance but on how you feel they are as a whole, I would think IC is stronger than many teams ahead of them right now.

I'm the voter w/ Hobart at 2 and SJF not ranked.  I actually have rankings up to 18.  I have Fisher at 11 right now.  Chances are, they will get there soon enough.  A loss that bad to Hobart has me shaken up about Fisher.  They confuse me.  As does Alfred at this point.  I don't disagree about SJF, but there are a LOT of 0 or 1 loss teams right now and just not room for everyone.  Fisher vs. Ithaca and Springfield will really play a huge part.  They could be top 5, or they could disappear.  I think 8-11 is right at this point.

I have Lebanon Valley at 15 so I agree with you there.

I typically vow not to put a NEFC team in the top 10 until week 8 or 9, but Endicott impressed me the last 2 weeks.  They won't go any higher than 8 or 9 all year though. 

Fisher, Widener, and Lyco are the 3 that didn't make it that I have a close eye on.  It's an interesting year and it's tough making everyone happy.

[lewdogg11]

And I just don't understand how ANYONE can have Cortland ranked 1 ahead of Kean.  They played head to head and lost.  Cortland's only loss.  Kean is undefeated.  Until Kean loses, I just don't know how that can be justified. 

[SJFF82]

Another glance at record comparisons....Rowan is 2-2   IC is 3-1  both beat Brockport by 7 and 5 points respectively.  Both lost 2 Top 25 teams (Cort. and Salisbury). Even so far.   IC has beaten Union who is 2-3 with no glaringly bad losses.  One (Union) loss was to Salve Regina who does not seem to be a terrible team.  They also handled Hartwick in a conference victory. 

Rowan's other win (other than B-port mentioned above) is West Conn who is on the wrong side of a total score this year of 225-64!!!!  Rowan's other loss was in a game where they only scored 6 points agaisnt a mediocre at best Lycoming team.

Based on those numbers....I give the nod to IC over ROWAN at this point......well until SJF monkeystomps them at Butterfield this Saterday

[SJFF82]

LD11....wasnt 'concerned' at all about SJF at "NR".  Was just looking for explanation of the corresponding Hobart ranking at "2".  In my opinion Hobart hasnt earned that ranking unless I am convinced SJF is a Top 5 team in the East and even Nationally ranked.  Hobart's other wins are nothing to bank on.  Another voter agrees with you (Hobart) so you have some company.  That voter does have SJF at "7" so presumably he/she thinks stronger about the Fisher blow-out.

I agree that SJF may easily lose to Salisbury-IC-SC or at least 2 of them and they will be out of the discussion

[pumkinattack]

The other voter you reference is me.  I've got Fisher at 7 and think they could end up around 4-5 depending on how the season shakes out.  Not sure I agree that it would take beating a top 5 team to be #2 (I have Bart #3).  Who else in the east has done that other than Kean?  That one road win looks better than mosts datapoints for all eastern teams right now, especially in light of them turning around and beating Alfred in what looks like a pretty sound way. 

As far as I'm concerned, Kean is the only NJAC team that's really impressed with OOC schedule, so I've had them a little lower in general (Cort & MSU) than many. 

Know nothing about the MAC, but giving DelVal more credit after dropping them pretty low based on the early results.   

[SJFF82]

The other voter you reference is me.  I've got Fisher at 7 and think they could end up around 4-5 depending on how the season shakes out.  Not sure I agree that it would take beating a top 5 team to be #2 (I have Bart #3).  Who else in the east has done that other than Kean?  That one road win looks better than mosts datapoints for all eastern teams right now, especially in light of them turning around and beating Alfred in what looks like a pretty sound way. 

As far as I'm concerned, Kean is the only NJAC team that's really impressed with OOC schedule, so I've had them a little lower in general (Cort & MSU) than many. 

Know nothing about the MAC, but giving DelVal more credit after dropping them pretty low based on the early results.

I was referencing the voter who has Bart #2 and Fisher #7.  The Bart #3 voter appears to have SJF at #8.....or am I reading this all wrong?