East Region Fan Poll

[rams1102]

Kaz, Any idea when the New Poll will come out? Thanks.

[clandfan]

Rams, would rather have lost 31-14 than to comeback and lose like that.  I'm happy with our offense.  Our depth at RB has been great.  That kid sat is our 3rd back, now #2 with Autera out for season.  Pitcher is playing well and has some weapons at WR. Just ashame for us that first we drop the INT and then we let that kid get behind us in that situation.  Defensive lapses for sure.   Any word on Fischer?

Agree that the defense gave up big plays particularly the last pass to get MSU into fieldgoal range but the offense also had issues.  We took the lead on the safety with under 5 minutes to go and of course we get the ball back.  The offense has to be able to move the ball and kill the clock in that situation and just didn't get it done.  The final offensive play for Cortland was a 3rd and maybe 12 thanks to an penalty and MSU stuffing the run on the first 2 downs.  Pitcher throws to Green 2 yards down field.  Might as well have handed it off to him.  The play had no chance of getting the needed yardage.  Then on top of the offense not getting it done, we get like a 25 or 30 yard punt that goes out of bounds around the 25.  In addition, MSU fumbled 5-6 times and Cortland only came up with the ball once maybe.

I too believe Cortland is a better team than their record indicates but it is what it is at this point.

Actually the final play was the ball meant for Babin in desperation that got batted down with QB running for his life trying to keep the play alive.  The pass to Green...defense was in prevent, allowing nothing down field...only place to go with the ball and hope the kid can make a play, get first down and stop the clock.  I have no problem with the desperation 50 sec. series. 

Botched snap on the FG attempt though certainly was a factor.  What did you think of the decision to kick.  I  understand why you kick there but 4th and 1 from the 2...I was thinking go for it...if you don't get it, they are pinned on the 1-2 yd. line...it was a momentum opportunity and it went completely the other way with the botch and then the long TD run. 

We can second guess all day long...won't change a thing.  Look out W. Conn.

[wesleydad]

dlip, thanks.  always enjoy reading what is going on over here.  i try to be as unbiased as possible and even got myself in a little trouble on the wesley board ripping them when necessary.  i enjoy a good football game and will gladly try to tell all what i saw when i was there. 

[dlippiel]

Kaz, Any idea when the New Poll will come out? Thanks.

Poor Kaz, didn't help that dlip didn't get him his top ten until yesterday.

[RedDragonFan]

Rams, would rather have lost 31-14 than to comeback and lose like that.  I'm happy with our offense.  Our depth at RB has been great.  That kid sat is our 3rd back, now #2 with Autera out for season.  Pitcher is playing well and has some weapons at WR. Just ashame for us that first we drop the INT and then we let that kid get behind us in that situation.  Defensive lapses for sure.   Any word on Fischer?

Agree that the defense gave up big plays particularly the last pass to get MSU into fieldgoal range but the offense also had issues.  We took the lead on the safety with under 5 minutes to go and of course we get the ball back.  The offense has to be able to move the ball and kill the clock in that situation and just didn't get it done.  The final offensive play for Cortland was a 3rd and maybe 12 thanks to an penalty and MSU stuffing the run on the first 2 downs.  Pitcher throws to Green 2 yards down field.  Might as well have handed it off to him.  The play had no chance of getting the needed yardage.  Then on top of the offense not getting it done, we get like a 25 or 30 yard punt that goes out of bounds around the 25.  In addition, MSU fumbled 5-6 times and Cortland only came up with the ball once maybe.

I too believe Cortland is a better team than their record indicates but it is what it is at this point.

Actually the final play was the ball meant for Babin in desperation that got batted down with QB running for his life trying to keep the play alive.  The pass to Green...defense was in prevent, allowing nothing down field...only place to go with the ball and hope the kid can make a play, get first down and stop the clock.  I have no problem with the desperation 50 sec. series. 

Botched snap on the FG attempt though certainly was a factor.  What did you think of the decision to kick.  I  understand why you kick there but 4th and 1 from the 2...I was thinking go for it...if you don't get it, they are pinned on the 1-2 yd. line...it was a momentum opportunity and it went completely the other way with the botch and then the long TD run. 

We can second guess all day long...won't change a thing.  Look out W. Conn.

My bad.  I meant the last play of the series right after the safety.

I was right with you on the decision to kick instead of going for it.  I was thinking you've got two positive outcomes.  You either pick up the first down and have 3 more shots from the 1 or score outright.  Worst case as you point out is you turn it over to them on their own 2.  I would have gone for it but thats why I sit in the stands! 

[AUKaz00]

Sorry for the late post, but I was away at a conference for work and this is the first I've had to compile the poll.  There was one entry that listed Cortland twice and being so late already I didn't want to try and follow up on a correction.  So, without further ado:

Week 6 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Kean( 5 )	5-0	55	1	at Brockport State
2   Salisbury( 1 )	5-0	50	2	at #6 Alfred
3   Montclair State	5-0	48	4	vs. William Paterson
4   Delaware Valley	5-0	45	3	at Albright
5   Hobart	4-0	40	5t	Open Date
6   Alfred	4-1	25	7	vs. #2 Salisbury
7   St. John Fisher	4-1	24	8	vs. Frostburg State
8   Cortland State	3-2	18	5t	at Western Connecticut
9   Endicott	6-0	8	10t	vs. Plymouth State
10  New Jersey	4-1	7	10t	at Buffalo State

Dropped Out:
#9 Springfield


Also Receiving votes:               
Lycoming 6
Lebanon Valley 4

            
Voting Distribution:            

Kean (6,1,1,1,1,1)
Salisbury (1,2,3,4,3,3)
Montclair State (5,3,2,2,4,2)
Delaware Valley (3,5,4,3,2,4)
Hobart (2,4,5,5,5,5)
Alfred (7,7,6,7,7,7)
St. John Fisher (8,6,7,6,6,9)
Cortland State (4,10,10,10,8,6)
Endicott (NR,8,9,NR,NR,8)
New Jersey (9,9,8,NR,NR,NR)
Lycoming (10,NR,NR,8,9,NR)
Lebanon Valley (NR,NR,NR,9,10,10)


Key Matchups:
#2 Salisbury at #6 Alfred

[maxpower]

Wow, someone's down on Kean.

[Yanks 99]

Wow, someone's down on Kean.

Agreed...Voter #1 has some explaining to do...not only with an undefeated Kean team being #6 and an undefeated Montclair State team being #5, but with a two-loss Cortland team being #4, with both of their losses to Kean and Montclair.

[lewdogg11]

Wow, someone's down on Kean.

It's someone being stubborn saying 'I saw Kean and they aren't that good.'  It's ridiculous.  Bottom line is this...They have BEATEN Wesley(7), Cortland and TCNJ.  Not to mention they are ranked 10th in the country right now.  10th in the country, but 6th in an East Region poll?  Stop being so stubborn.  Whether you like it or not, they have beaten good teams, and they are undefeated, and they deserve respect for that.  If they lose to Rowan and Montclair, they STILL should probably be in the top 10 in this poll. 

Pacific Lutheran didn't look like much in 1999, but they won the National Championship.  Ask Rowan what they thought of them before the game.

GET OVER YOURSELF!!!

[Yanks 99]

Wow, someone's down on Kean.

It's someone being stubborn saying 'I saw Kean and they aren't that good.'  It's ridiculous.  Bottom line is this...They have BEATEN Wesley(7), Cortland and TCNJ.  Not to mention they are ranked 10th in the country right now.  10th in the country, but 6th in an East Region poll?  Stop being so stubborn.  Whether you like it or not, they have beaten good teams, and they are undefeated, and they deserve respect for that.  If they lose to Rowan and Montclair, they STILL should probably be in the top 10 in this poll. 

Pacific Lutheran didn't look like much in 1999, but they won the National Championship.  Ask Rowan what they thought of them before the game.

GET OVER YOURSELF!!!

I couldn't agree more LD...you could possibly make the arguement about where the remaining undefeated teams fall...but there is no way that a two-loss Cortland team who lost to both Kean (5-0) and Montclair State (5-0) within the last 4 weeks should be ranked ahead of these guys...there is just no logical explanation for that...

[lewdogg11]

Wow, someone's down on Kean.

It's someone being stubborn saying 'I saw Kean and they aren't that good.'  It's ridiculous.  Bottom line is this...They have BEATEN Wesley(7), Cortland and TCNJ.  Not to mention they are ranked 10th in the country right now.  10th in the country, but 6th in an East Region poll?  Stop being so stubborn.  Whether you like it or not, they have beaten good teams, and they are undefeated, and they deserve respect for that.  If they lose to Rowan and Montclair, they STILL should probably be in the top 10 in this poll. 

Pacific Lutheran didn't look like much in 1999, but they won the National Championship.  Ask Rowan what they thought of them before the game.

GET OVER YOURSELF!!!

I couldn't agree more LD...you could possibly make the arguement about where the remaining undefeated teams fall...but there is no way that a two-loss Cortland team who lost to both Kean (5-0) and Montclair State (5-0) within the last 4 weeks should be ranked ahead of these guys...there is just no logical explanation for that...

Those Cortland dudes look really sexy in their uniforms though.

[lewdogg11]

Can we also mention that Wesley has lost 3 regular season games in the past 6 years?  Not an easy team to beat.

[AUKaz00]

Interesting discussion about where teams are slotted.  Here are the Massey Ratings for D3 for the teams we're considering here:

Hobart (16)
Salisbury (22)
Kean (25)
Del Valley (27)
Fisher (28)
Montclair (29)
Lycoming (33)
Cortland (34)
Rowan (45)
TCNJ (49)

A lot of compression between the 3rd and 8th ranked teams and something completely different than any of our ballots.

[Charles]

Interesting discussion about where teams are slotted.  Here are the Massey Ratings for D3 for the teams we're considering here:

Hobart (16)
Salisbury (22)
Kean (25)
Del Valley (27)
Fisher (28)
Montclair (29)
Lycoming (33)
Cortland (34)
Rowan (45)
TCNJ (49)

A lot of compression between the 3rd and 8th ranked teams and something completely different than any of our ballots.

Endicott (52) Massey rating...

[AUKaz00]

Endicott (52) Massey rating...

Yes, and Leb Valley at 51, but I decided to just list a top 10.