East Region Fan Poll

[lewdogg11]

This Cortland/Kean thing is bordering on absurd.

Nationally, the Hobart/Cortland issue is just as perplexing.  Just sayin'...

Maybe. I can at least see the "Conference/schedule strength" argument you could make for Cortland over Hobart. I don't necessarily agree that it trumps the differences in results right now, but there's a chance that Hobart only plays one team that finishes the season with a winning record. I know they stomped said team, but again, I can at least sort of get where it comes from.

I just can't wrap my head around the Kean/Cortland argument. The only argument for putting Cortland ahead of Kean is what? That they killed Morrisville? I mean, if we're saying that Kean hasn't looked impressive in their five wins, then don't we have to do the same for Cortland? They trailed Buffalo State in the second half too. And they had to come back against Rowan too.

The only thing I can see that Cortland's done that Kean hasn't is stomp someone. It just makes no sense.

This is just so aggravating to me.  Like why is this person even part of the polling process?  It's like ranking the Eagles at 1 in the NFL rankings because they are SUPPOSED to be good, but just haven't caught any breaks this year.  And at the same time, the Packers only beat Carolina by 7, so they get knocked down a few spots.  Just out of control. 

I hate to harp on it, but for some reason it just aggravates the piss out of me.

Well its kind of like the NFL power rankings.  Most have the Patriots ranked over the Bills, even though the Bills beat the Patriots.  If there was a "poll" would it be justified to rank the Pats over the Bills?

With the Bills then losing to the Bengals YES. 

I have no problem with people ranking 0 loss or even 1 loss teams in the top 5.  But to have a 2 loss team at 1 is ludicrous.  Most teams play 9 or 10 games.  Currently, Cortland has lost 40% of their games and at best will have lost 20% of their games.  NOT the best team in the East.

[lewdogg11]

Record doesn't count.  It's all about style points.

[Bombers798891]

When you reach a two-loss differential this early in the season, I think you're playing with fire, especially when the two-loss team's only real resume booster is a narrow win vs. Rowan this year.  Hobart thrashed SJF, which seems to be rebounding since that game.  It's not like they are restricted to all NEFC/ECFC games -- Hobart whacked Dickinson, whacked SJF, defensively beat down SLU and won at an arch-rival in Union in a game that went pretty much as expected.  I'd have trouble keeping Mount Union at 4-2 in my Top 25 ballot, let alone Cortland.  I'm not saying to place Hobart over Kean, Montclair or Salisbury.  I'm saying to look in the loss column and then consider if anything in the win column provides forgiveness for the differential.  I don't see it here.

That all makes sense. As I said, I'm not personally of the opinion that Cortland's better than Hobart. I do think Cortland would be 4-0 against Hobart's schedule, but I think Hobart might be better than 3-2 had they played Cortland's.

I do wish however, that we could see--without names--who voted who where. I understand this would be a lot of work, but I'd like to know, for example, where the pt. differential comes from. Two/three voters with Cortland ranked a lot higher? A bunch of voters who ranked Cortland one or two slots ahead of Hobart?

A lot of people have said which voter they are.  I'm 2 and I believe a Hobart guy and a Fisher guy are 3 and 4.  No idea on 1 though.

I meant seeing a voting breakdown in the national poll like we do here. sorry for the confusion

[lewdogg11]

I'd like to say the Patriots were the best team in 2007-2008 going 18-1.  But they lost the Super Bowl to the Giants so unfortunately...

The Red Sox SHOULD have been better than every team in MLB this year.  But can you rank them higher than the 8 playoff teams?

2011 NCAA Basketball National Champion UConn.  I hate them.  I don't THINK they were the best team.  But can you NOT rank them 1 at the end?

[Frank Rossi]

dlip just looked at this quickly, (he is at work and has his poll at home)

Wow, Mrs. Dlip has some power.  Dlip has to leave his poll at home these days...

[Bombers798891]

I have no problem with people ranking 0 loss or even 1 loss teams in the top 5.  But to have a 2 loss team at 1 is ludicrous.  Most teams play 9 or 10 games.  Currently, Cortland has lost 40% of their games and at best will have lost 20% of their games.  NOT the best team in the East.

Okay, breathe easy. The voter with Cortland ahead of Kean has the Red Dragons at four, not one. They've got undefeated Salisbury at #1

[lewdogg11]

I have no problem with people ranking 0 loss or even 1 loss teams in the top 5.  But to have a 2 loss team at 1 is ludicrous.  Most teams play 9 or 10 games.  Currently, Cortland has lost 40% of their games and at best will have lost 20% of their games.  NOT the best team in the East.

Okay, breathe easy. The voter with Cortland ahead of Kean has the Red Dragons at four, not one. They've got undefeated Salisbury at #1

I'm hungover.  leave me alone.

[dlippiel]

dlip just looked at this quickly, (he is at work and has his poll at home)

Wow, Mrs. Dlip has some power.  Dlip has to leave his poll at home these days...

The way dlip used to act, it is much better left there

[dlippiel]

I might check out the Endicott/Plymouth St. game this weekend.  After seeing them, I may have them in the top 3 next week.  Probably not.

This made dlip's day better, gotta ****ing love Lew quotes...

[Frank Rossi]

dlip just looked at this quickly, (he is at work and has his poll at home)

Wow, Mrs. Dlip has some power.  Dlip has to leave his poll at home these days...

The way dlip used to act, it is much better left there

Oh, so this isn't your first "Fan Poll" -- Got it...

[SJFF82]

I'd like to say the Patriots were the best team in 2007-2008 going 18-1.  But they lost the Super Bowl to the Giants so unfortunately...

The Red Sox SHOULD have been better than every team in MLB this year.  But can you rank them higher than the 8 playoff teams?

2011 NCAA Basketball National Champion UConn.  I hate them.  I don't THINK they were the best team.  But can you NOT rank them 1 at the end?

yes...although it depends on what the criteria of the rankings are?  Are you looking for perception or reality?  Lets say a 34-2 Duke squad somehow got upset on a half-court buzzer beater in the Sweet Sixteen by a very good, upstart mid-major.  But prior, and without any doubt they were the hands-down best team in the land.  Now the field is wide-open and a 26-8 UCONN cuts down the nets, but more than likely, but for the upset by lets say, Gonzaga, circa 1999, Duke goes 38-2, then who is the true best team at the end?  34-3 Duke (who lost to UNC  and MD, conference rivals on the road plus Gonzaga as explained) or 26-8 UCONN which coulda been any other 26-8 team like Mich St or Fla or UCLA?

If the so called "BEST" team has to be the end champion, or the team with the best record, then what is the purpose of the poll?  Just leave the 'POLL' in your pocket and wait to whip it out after the champion is crowned.  The in-season poll has to be based on perception, which is any given voters opinion of the games' outcomes.  Certainly it does not appear to make sense that a 3-2 Cortland is ahead of a 5-0 Kean, that beat Cortland, but is it not possible, that Cortland, in the end, goes farther than Kean, such that the voter turns out to be correct using your theory of the last 'man' standing is the better team?  Perhaps the voter is convinced that Cortland is the better overall team, and is confident that his pole...poll will be vindicated at the end of the season

Now I get your point about the Eagles (i think it was your point) at 1-4, but 1-4 is much different than 3-2.  And 1 of those losses is to the 5-0 Kean team that is otherwise the top team.  So isnt it possible that Cortland is #1?

[SJFF82]

I have no problem with people ranking 0 loss or even 1 loss teams in the top 5.  But to have a 2 loss team at 1 is ludicrous.  Most teams play 9 or 10 games.  Currently, Cortland has lost 40% of their games and at best will have lost 20% of their games.  NOT the best team in the East.

Okay, breathe easy. The voter with Cortland ahead of Kean has the Red Dragons at four, not one. They've got undefeated Salisbury at #1

uhhhh.....does that mean I just typed that whole post for nothing....

[lewdogg11]

I'd like to say the Patriots were the best team in 2007-2008 going 18-1.  But they lost the Super Bowl to the Giants so unfortunately...

The Red Sox SHOULD have been better than every team in MLB this year.  But can you rank them higher than the 8 playoff teams?

2011 NCAA Basketball National Champion UConn.  I hate them.  I don't THINK they were the best team.  But can you NOT rank them 1 at the end?

yes...although it depends on what the criteria of the rankings are?  Are you looking for perception or reality?  Lets say a 34-2 Duke squad somehow got upset on a half-court buzzer beater in the Sweet Sixteen by a very good, upstart mid-major.  But prior, and without any doubt they were the hands-down best team in the land.  Now the field is wide-open and a 26-8 UCONN cuts down the nets, but more than likely, but for the upset by lets say, Gonzaga, circa 1999, Duke goes 38-2, then who is the true best team at the end?  34-3 Duke (who lost to UNC  and MD, conference rivals on the road plus Gonzaga as explained) or 26-8 UCONN which coulda been any other 26-8 team like Mich St or Fla or UCLA?

If the so called "BEST" team has to be the end champion, or the team with the best record, then what is the purpose of the poll?  Just leave the 'POLL' in your pocket and wait to whip it out after the champion is crowned.  The in-season poll has to be based on perception, which is any given voters opinion of the games' outcomes.  Certainly it does not appear to make sense that a 3-2 Cortland is ahead of a 5-0 Kean, that beat Cortland, but is it not possible, that Cortland, in the end, goes farther than Kean, such that the voter turns out to be correct using your theory of the last 'man' standing is the better team?  Perhaps the voter is convinced that Cortland is the better overall team, and is confident that his pole...poll will be vindicated at the end of the season

Now I get your point about the Eagles (i think it was your point) at 1-4, but 1-4 is much different than 3-2.  And 1 of those losses is to the 5-0 Kean team that is otherwise the top team.  So isnt it possible that Cortland is #1?

I think the poll should represent at this point in time.  So while it is possible that Cortland goes further than Kean in the end, they currently can not be ranked higher at this point in time.  It's science really.  If everyone just used science this would all be much easier.  Looking at Wesley's track record, most of their losses over the last 6 years came in the playoffs to the eventual National Champion or National finalist.  I wouldn't be surprised if they have the same fate this year.  To see Kean knock them off is extremely impressive as of right now.  A few losses could change that dramatically, but i'm drinking their Kool-Aid right now until proven otherwise.

[SJFF82]

I agree LD, the Wesley win puts them at the top.  I dont think I could justify Cortland being #1 right now, but the poll is a moving target from week to week, and some pollsters may be attempting to keep their pole, one step ahead of the other guys'.....ouch, I am going home now....

[rams1102]

Yanks, for the record I'm voter #3. A Montclair fan.