East Region Fan Poll

[rams1102]

Who am I going to see at the Montclair/TCNJ game tomorrow?
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I'll be there at the top of the 50 of the visitors section. MSU hooded grey sweatshirt with a red Montclair Cap. Grey hair and 58. Remenber respect your elders young man.

[Frank Rossi]

Who am I going to see at the Montclair/TCNJ game tomorrow?

I'll be there at the top of the 50 of the visitors section. MSU hooded grey sweatshirt with a red Montclair Cap. Grey hair and 58. Remenber respect your elders young man.

I have no dog in the fight, so I'll be respectful to all.  I'll be at field level for most of the game, prepping for my D3report for this week.

[MSU Pride]

hey guys, take a look at this article one of my best friends from Montclair State wrote....I had a tear in my eye reading it as I can remember like it was yesterday...This is was D3football is about...

http://www.thewarriorinme.com/sports/why-i-cant-watch-football/

[wesleydad]

frank, i would love to meet you, but i am heading to gettysburg for their game with johns hopkins.  enjoy the game.

[DanPadavona]

If the poll is a prediction of who is going to win a given match-up, then how does the poll account for the classic scenario where A beats B, B beats C, but then C beats A?

A poll is an opinion piece compiled across ratings and rankings. And I differentiate between the two, because ratings and rankings are often used interchangeably when they shouldn't be.

A rating attempts to answer the question, "Who is the better team right now?"
A ranking attempts to answer the question, "Which team deserves higher status based on their achievements?"

Simple example from a recent event - Kean wins at home in a huge upset against Wesley. One can easily make the argument after that game that Kean should be ranked higher because they won head-to-head. But an objective judgement might determine that Wesley is more talented, and lost a road game by just a few points in a game where every bounce when Kean's way.

Hence Wesley might be rated higher than Kean by some people. The rating is an opinion that if the two teams played today on a neutral field, Wesley would probably win more times than they would lose. But in terms of rankings, at that point of the season, it would make more sense for Kean to get a playoff nod over Wesley because they beat them.

Polls can be confusing because pollsters are considering opinions about ratings and rankings. I would have ranked Kean higher than Wesley until the Brockport loss, but rated Wesley higher. And I think I would have been proven right after recent games, where Kean lost to Brockport and won ugly against Morrisville. Now the ratings and rankings agree - Wesley is better than Kean.

I don't think it is fair to judge the quality of a Poll by its subsequent performance at picking future games. A poll is more of a ranking opinion, based on strength of achievement thus far. I would rather judge computerized rating systems by their ability to pick future games. For instance, Massey vs The Laz Index vs Sagarin...  I ran my own computer ratings for over a decade, and I judged the results by the ability of the ratings to predict the winners of the following week's games. The system consistently picked 75%+ with total objectivity.

[DanPadavona]

drop the may.  they will need to win out to get the NCAA bid.

Not necessarily. They could win the conference championship, and hence the NEFC auto bid, with 1 loss. About the only difference it will make is where they get seeded.

[wesleydad]

after yesterday, looks like the only discussion about the top team comes down to salisbury and del val for now.  after this weekend, salisbury at wesley, i will be able to give some insight into that discussion.  even if salisbury losses i will compare them to what i saw from del val.  the njac must be a very balanced conference with no standout team since no one is able to run the table.  great for the fans, not so much for the playoff chances after the aq.  looks like the qb injury may have hurt montclaire.  still have the kean - montclaire game on the travel list for the last week, especially if it is for the njac title.

[DanPadavona]

@wesleydad - It would be a helluva trip, but you need to come up and see Cortland's stadium someday. Hot chocolate is on me!

[lewdogg11]

after yesterday, looks like the only discussion about the top team comes down to salisbury and del val for now.  after this weekend, salisbury at wesley, i will be able to give some insight into that discussion.  even if salisbury losses i will compare them to what i saw from del val.  the njac must be a very balanced conference with no standout team since no one is able to run the table.  great for the fans, not so much for the playoff chances after the aq.  looks like the qb injury may have hurt montclaire.  still have the kean - montclaire game on the travel list for the last week, especially if it is for the njac title.

I wouldn't forget about Hobart.  Fisher appears to be stronger than I thought and Hobart throttled them. 

[lewdogg11]

Endicott is dropping a spot in my poll this week because Widener's win was way more impressive in my mind.  A solid win vs. WNEC would do them good though.  Salisbury is flat out scary.  Looking forward to see what happens vs. Wesley.  Fisher is clearly a team on the rise.  And Utica at 5-2 is starting to raise some eyebrows.  Hobart has the schedule lined up to win out. 

What the hell happened to Alfred and Springfield though?

[wesleydad]

dan, went by cortland a couple of times during our travels to brockport and morrisville.  not that hard of a drive for me, straight up northeast extension, think i am there in about 3 - 3.5 hours.  will be on the agenda next year if all goes well.  i will take you up on the hot chocolate although i prefer a nice cold adult beverage.

lew, did not forget them, just dont think they are as good as salisbury and del val.  i will be going to the fisher-salisbury game so i will know then for sure.

[Charles]

Endicott is dropping a spot in my poll this week because Widener's win was way more impressive in my mind.  A solid win vs. WNEC would do them good though.  Salisbury is flat out scary.  Looking forward to see what happens vs. Wesley.  Fisher is clearly a team on the rise.  And Utica at 5-2 is starting to raise some eyebrows.  Hobart has the schedule lined up to win out. 

What the hell happened to Alfred and Springfield though?

Endicott did well to win a serious trap game. Senior day ceremonies seemed to make the team a little flat just before kickoff and UMass Dartmouth came to play. I also thought they were looking ahead to the game next week. However they took care of business and should be up for what is looking like a big game at WNEC. 

[Frank Rossi]

However they took care of business and should be up for what is looking like a big game at WNEC.

[boobyhasgameyo]

after yesterday, looks like the only discussion about the top team comes down to salisbury and del val for now.  after this weekend, salisbury at wesley, i will be able to give some insight into that discussion.  even if salisbury losses i will compare them to what i saw from del val.  the njac must be a very balanced conference with no standout team since no one is able to run the table.  great for the fans, not so much for the playoff chances after the aq.  looks like the qb injury may have hurt montclaire.  still have the kean - montclaire game on the travel list for the last week, especially if it is for the njac title.

I wouldn't forget about Hobart.  Fisher appears to be stronger than I thought and Hobart throttled them.

Hobart gave Fisher a giant punch right to the kisser when they played, but I think if they were to play a rematch next week the results would be dramatically different.  Offensively I'd still expect Fisher to struggle but I don't understand what happened to Fisher's defense that day.  I've seen five of their games this year and the D was inexplicably non existent against Hobart.  I still think Hobart is the best team Fisher has faced this year however. 

As well as Fisher's defense has performed, I can still see them getting lit up by Salisbury in a couple of weeks.  What they are doing is just nasty. 

[rams1102]

after yesterday, looks like the only discussion about the top team comes down to salisbury and del val for now.  after this weekend, salisbury at wesley, i will be able to give some insight into that discussion.  even if salisbury losses i will compare them to what i saw from del val.  the njac must be a very balanced conference with no standout team since no one is able to run the table.  great for the fans, not so much for the playoff chances after the aq.  looks like the qb injury may have hurt montclaire.  still have the kean - montclaire game on the travel list for the last week, especially if it is for the njac title.

I wouldn't forget about Hobart.  Fisher appears to be stronger than I thought and Hobart throttled them.

Hobart gave Fisher a giant punch right to the kisser when they played, but I think if they were to play a rematch next week the results would be dramatically different.  Offensively I'd still expect Fisher to struggle but I don't understand what happened to Fisher's defense that day.  I've seen five of their games this year and the D was inexplicably non existent against Hobart.  I still think Hobart is the best team Fisher has faced this year however. 

As well as Fisher's defense has performed, I can still see them getting lit up by Salisbury in a couple of weeks.  What they are doing is just nasty.

We will sure find out when they go to Wesley this Saturday.