East Region Fan Poll

[Jonny Utah]

I think clands point is (or should be) that you want your last game to be in the national championship game and not the first round.  I would agree with that.

But LDs point is also valid.  You want to lose to the best team in the country rather than a team that loses to that best team.  I'm just thinking back when Ithaca loses to Mt. union in the first round in a game that was close until the 3rd quarter.  Then TCNJ uspets RPI and gets crushed by Mt .Union in the second round.  I'd rather be Ithaca that season than TCNJ.

man, this just makes no sense to me, am I misunderstanding you....and perhaps LD?  Your post effectively states that you would rather lose to MUC in the first round, than in the second round?  I dont get it....or I just completely misunderstand your post.

It seems to me that the whole issue has been contorted now.  Thye earlier posts were discussing whether it mattered whether MUC was in your bracket in the scenario where you were going to either lose to them in the Regional finals, or the National semis and beyond.  It cannot be about whether the score was close in the 3rd quarter and then it was a blowout and then someone else upset someone and then got crushed, because that is all after the fact.  Before the games are played, would you rather have an impending showdown with MUC in the Regional finals or beyond.

It was gordonmann's point that it didnt matter because if you die, you die....and the play-offs are about a champion not who shats themself when the Purple people eaters take the field.  Mine, and others have claimed that one more game does matter, especially when it puts you one game closer to the prize.

I'm saying that Ithaca can look themselves in the mirror after that year and be proud of themselves because they gave the best team in the nation (At that point) a game and the best game they had all year.  TCNJ got crushed and went home knowing that they probably had no business in the playoffs anyway.

You also have to remember that you don't know what is going to happen before the playoffs start either.  If you were to ask Ithaca before the first round that year if they could have switched places with RPI and have a home game against TCNJ instead of playing at MUC, you might want to have that home game against TCNY.  If you look at it now, you would rather be Ithaca than RPI.  Does that make sense?

MUC should be in the east because they deserve an easier road to the national championship game more than Hobart deserves the chance to play in the national championship game against the UWW/MUC winner.

[SJFF82]

I think clands point is (or should be) that you want your last game to be in the national championship game and not the first round.  I would agree with that.

But LDs point is also valid.  You want to lose to the best team in the country rather than a team that loses to that best team.  I'm just thinking back when Ithaca loses to Mt. union in the first round in a game that was close until the 3rd quarter.  Then TCNJ uspets RPI and gets crushed by Mt .Union in the second round.  I'd rather be Ithaca that season than TCNJ.

man, this just makes no sense to me, am I misunderstanding you....and perhaps LD?  Your post effectively states that you would rather lose to MUC in the first round, than in the second round?  I dont get it....or I just completely misunderstand your post.

It seems to me that the whole issue has been contorted now.  Thye earlier posts were discussing whether it mattered whether MUC was in your bracket in the scenario where you were going to either lose to them in the Regional finals, or the National semis and beyond.  It cannot be about whether the score was close in the 3rd quarter and then it was a blowout and then someone else upset someone and then got crushed, because that is all after the fact.  Before the games are played, would you rather have an impending showdown with MUC in the Regional finals or beyond.

It was gordonmann's point that it didnt matter because if you die, you die....and the play-offs are about a champion not who shats themself when the Purple people eaters take the field.  Mine, and others have claimed that one more game does matter, especially when it puts you one game closer to the prize.

Yeah, you definitely shat yourself when reading these.  My bottom line is this....

Yes, EVERY team wants to get as far as humanly possible.  That's a no-brainer. 

If you're playing Mount Union in the first round, chances are you don't have much of a shot to win against anyone because you're an 8 seed. 

If you're playing Mount Union in the second round, same deal, you probably didn't have much of a chance to beat the 1 seed no matter who it is.  But if you did make it that far, would you rather lose to Alfred or Mount Union? 

If you make it to the 3rd round and beyond, the games just don't get any easier.  You're gonna play Wesley, UWW, Mount Union, MHB, St. Johns, Linfield etc etc who are perennial powerhouses.  Someone has to lose.  Let's stop crying like f'ing babies.   Mount Union is a d3 football team.  They should be treated like one.

UWW had to go on the road last year.  You know how they whined?  They beat everyone.

...ok, I just wiped myself, now I'm back

[SJFF82]

....so LD, you agree that it does matter whether you lose to MUC in the Regional finals versus 1 rd later?  That was the discussion earlier.  I mean, when you change the issue and then answer your own questions as if someone had a different point of view, it gets confusing.

[Jonny Utah]

....so LD, you agree that it does matter whether you lose to MUC in the Regional finals versus 1 rd later?  That was the discussion earlier.  I mean, when you change the issue and then answer your own questions as if someone had a different point of view, it gets confusing.

I think it still depends.  Would you rather lose 60-0 in the semifinals or lose 21-17 in the first round?  I might agree that losing by any amount in the national championship would be worth it, but I'd rather be close in the first round than blown out in the semifinals.

[Jonny Utah]

....so LD, you agree that it does matter whether you lose to MUC in the Regional finals versus 1 rd later?  That was the discussion earlier.  I mean, when you change the issue and then answer your own questions as if someone had a different point of view, it gets confusing.

I think it still depends.  Would you rather lose 60-0 in the semifinals or lose 21-17 in the first round (to the same team)?  I might agree that losing by any amount in the national championship would be worth it, but I'd rather be close in the first round than blown out in the semifinals.

[lewdogg11]

....so LD, you agree that it does matter whether you lose to MUC in the Regional finals versus 1 rd later?  That was the discussion earlier.  I mean, when you change the issue and then answer your own questions as if someone had a different point of view, it gets confusing.

Yeah, I understand your argument, this was more spawned off of the Cortland dude's post.  If you ask me, if you're playing Mount Union in Round 1, you should just be happy that you made the playoffs because you probably weren't going far anyway.  But then you can tell people your whole life that you played Mount Union.  I think those St. Lawrence kids are pretty happy about getting the opportunity.

And who knows, like a few years ago, maybe the NCAA will be nice and match up Mount Union with another team that they ship into the East.  There's gonna be slim pickens in a few weeks me thinks.

[AUKaz00]

For those of you who say it doesn't matter when you play MUC or WW,  thats BS.  It does matter. It matters to every kid on the field who has a dream of winning a national championship.  Yes, to be the best you have to beat the best but there isn't a player out there that wouldnt want that opportunity to be in the final or at the very least, the semis.  With rare exception, that last game a senior plays at the DIII level is the end.  These young men break down and cry when it is over. For you it doesn't matter but don't be so naive to think that it doesn't matter to the players on the field. They are the only ones that count.

I agree that every kid who takes the field in August has a dream, even if insanely remote, of winning the national championship and running into UMU or UWW in the playoffs is the fastest way for that dream to die.  However, that dream is for every kid, as you stated, and not just kids in the East region.  It's no more fair for the East teams to face one of the perennial powers in the quarters than it is to a North or West team.

[Bombers798891]

You want to lose to the best team in the country rather than a team that loses to that best team. 

So you would rather be Franklin, which lost to Whitewater in Round 1, than the team that lost to Mount in the National Semis?

[lewdogg11]

You want to lose to the best team in the country rather than a team that loses to that best team. 

So you would rather be Franklin, which lost to Whitewater in Round 1, than the team that lost to Mount in the National Semis?

Seriously, you guys are nuts.  If you are an 8 seed, you are playing a team that is better than you in Round 1.  Case f'ing closed!

[AUKaz00]

From LD's posts, I think what he's saying is he'd rather his team lost a close game to one of the purple powers in the first round than get homogenized in anything short of the Final Four.  And he'd rather lose to them at any point along the way than lose to someone else.

[SJFF82]

I think if an OAC poster was reading this thread....he is now hanging from the ceiling by his mouse cord....

[SJFF82]

From LD's posts, I think what he's saying is he'd rather his team lost a close game to one of the purple powers in the first round than get homogenized in anything short of the Final Four.  And he'd rather lose to them at any point along the way than lose to someone else.

yeh just what we need to clear up the confusion is for posters to start trying to clarify other posters misclaifications of other posters comments that were taken out of context of another posters understanding of what some poster posted in a posthumous post.....

[SJFF82]

Suggestion to insure fairness for the East in the event that MUC gets shipped here this year....Assemble an ALL-EAST Region squad (cue debate about who's considered an East team, the 500 mile rule and whether Endicott should be considered in the discussion) to compete against MUC in a best 2/3 series.  After they win both games 59-3, then they get a week-off before they beat Wesley in the National semis 59-4......ok?

[pg04]

Boy I have a headache after reading all of this.  What the f*ck is anyone even saying anymore?? 

[Knightstalker]

Boy I have a headache after reading all of this.  What the f*ck is anyone even saying anymore?? 

It doesn't matter when the dlip you play Mount or UWW you are most likely getting your azzes handed to you.  As LD would say It's Science.