East Region Fan Poll

[Frank Rossi]

Between the statements on various boards, I believe that Wesleydad thinks every team sucks except Wesley.  Even the team that beat Wesley 

I won't fault him on that -- he just sort of missed the whole "before the semis" part of the issue.  Oh well, it's almost Saterday.

[Jonny Utah]

You want to lose to the best team in the country rather than a team that loses to that best team. 

So you would rather be Franklin, which lost to Whitewater in Round 1, than the team that lost to Mount in the National Semis?

Well Franklin got smoked so they showed that they had no business in the playoffs anyway so I would have rather be the team in the semifinals since they couldn't have lost worse than Franklin anyway.

[Jonny Utah]

You want to lose to the best team in the country rather than a team that loses to that best team. 

So you would rather be Franklin, which lost to Whitewater in Round 1, than the team that lost to Mount in the National Semis?

Seriously, you guys are nuts.  If you are an 8 seed, you are playing a team that is better than you in Round 1.  Case f'ing closed!

This has only been true when MUC and UWW have been so great in addition with the NCAA letting crappy teams in because of 'fairness'.

[wesleydad]

pg04, you make me chuckle.  i dont see where i ever said any of the teams suck.  i saw the game between kean and wesley, did you?  i know what the scoreboard said and i gave credit to kean for winning the game.  when the discussion turns to how good is kean that is a completely different issue.  when asked what i thought about the kean - rowan game i think i can give some insight since i have seen both play and did not think either was that good the day i saw them.  i also ripped wesley for how they played in the kean game, so i am an equal opportunity poster.  some agree with my opinion some dont, but that wont stop me from answering questions when i am asked.  since i do not have a team that i openly root for anymore since my son no longer plays at wesley i look at things a little different than most other posters.  when i say a team is not that good i am thinking on a national title chance scale, not that they suck.  it is a matter of definition, hopefully that will help the next time you read my posts.  if you dont believe me about who i root for, check out the around the mid atlantic thread and check out my travel this year to watch d3 football.

frank, you are correct i did look at it from a different perspective and i agree that it may have been different had they lost to uwww in the quarters instead.

[ExTartanPlayer]

Well Franklin got smoked so they showed that they had no business in the playoffs anyway so I would have rather be the team in the semifinals since they couldn't have lost worse than Franklin anyway.

I find it difficult to use this logic (the fact that Franklin got smoked by UWW) to illustrate that any team had no business in the playoffs. 

By this logic, almost no team besides Mount Union and UWW has had any business in the playoffs for nearly a decade, even multiple-time semifinalist Wesley (since they've been repeatedly blown out by UWW and UMU).  You gotta be kidding me.

[Jonny Utah]

Well Franklin got smoked so they showed that they had no business in the playoffs anyway so I would have rather be the team in the semifinals since they couldn't have lost worse than Franklin anyway.

I find it difficult to use this logic (the fact that Franklin got smoked by UWW) to illustrate that any team had no business in the playoffs. 

By this logic, almost no team besides Mount Union and UWW has had any business in the playoffs for nearly a decade, even multiple-time semifinalist Wesley (since they've been repeatedly blown out by UWW and UMU).  You gotta be kidding me.

I see what you are saying, and by looking at the boxscore that game may have been closer than the score indicated.  I'm only saying that I would want a chance at the best team in the country rather than losing to the distant 4th ranked team in a later round.

[AUKaz00]

Here's the issue.  In 2012, the E8 will still have 8 (Buffalo State in, Springfield out).  In 2013, the E8 will have 6 (Frostburg and Salisbury out).  There are rumors (confirmed by people in the know a step or two removed, but what I would consider safe sources) that the LL is happy at 8 teams.  That said, if RPI goes to D1, leaving the LL at 7, one E8 school has shown repeated interest to jump to the LL.  The instability of the E8 is playing some role in that decision.  So what happens if that does happen?  The E8 moves down to 5.  They end up, at best, in Pool B, because, let's be realistic:  they couldn't find one school in two years to join until Buffalo State finally threw in the NJAC towel and decided to join.  Cortland and Brockport apparently did not jump still after repeated overtures.  How are they going to find TWO more schools to join unless they begin to redefine their own search parameters for permanent members?  Essentially, Ralph, the short-term "fix" they employed might actually lead to a deeper, longer-term disaster.  Sure, this could change, but I don't know how under the current climate -- and I really do see some odd but fitting comparisons being made between the Big East and E8 (a conference that had seemingly become stronger of late somehow still losing membership because of the instability members were witnessing and the potential for more stability and, at least in the Big East's case, revenues/less costs elsewhere).  So, in the end, this two-year agreement is potentially a problem REGARDLESS OF Salisbury's strength these two years.

I do agree that getting a more geographical proximate team to fill the void left by Norwich (who knew Norwich football could leave a void?!?) would have been preferrable.  And I can't believe the E8 didn't try every avenue before moving on to the Maryland fix.  However, after the two year agreement, won't the E8 be back to a two year grace period to get back to 7 members?  So, we're looking at 3+ years to find another dance partner.  With Buff State leaving the NJAC next year, Brockport and, to a lesser extent, Cortland will feel the same pinch that Springfield felt when Norwich left.  Port now becomes the NJAC team furthest west and the one with the most to gain budget-wise by making a switch.  And in the next 3 years that may intensify.  Maybe this is just Pollyannaish on my part, but I think by 2015 the Empire 8 football consortium will be all teams in the Empire State, if not 8 members.

[lewdogg11]

I'm surprised anyone even read Frank's novel.  Too long winded for my tiny brain.

[pg04]

I'm surprised anyone even read Frank's novel.  Too long winded for my tiny brain.

You may or may not be joking, but I know I didn't read it.  Whenever something reaches 10 lines of continuous chatter on this board I completely tune out.  I know I'm exposing myself to looking stupid (again).  But I need the info quick and move on to the next thing I'm doing.  Some people (ahem) have a tendency to make long winded posts. 

[lewdogg11]

I'm surprised anyone even read Frank's novel.  Too long winded for my tiny brain.

You may or may not be joking, but I know I didn't read it.  Whenever something reaches 10 lines of continuous chatter on this board I completely tune out.  I know I'm exposing myself to looking stupid (again).  But I need the info quick and move on to the next thing I'm doing.  Some people (ahem) have a tendency to make long winded posts.

10 lines?  That was like 10 paragraphs.  Dead serious.  Didn't even attempt it.

[pg04]

I guess all that matters is someone read it. 

[fisheralum91]

I got about halfway through it and then heard blah blah blah........
Sorry Frank...I have the Attention span of a flea....

[pg04]

I got about halfway through it and then heard blah blah blah........
Sorry Frank...I have the Attention span of a flea....

That means I'm even worse than a flea!

[Knightstalker]

What?

[Frank Rossi]

I do agree that getting a more geographical proximate team to fill the void left by Norwich (who knew Norwich football could leave a void?!?) would have been preferrable.  And I can't believe the E8 didn't try every avenue before moving on to the Maryland fix.  However, after the two year agreement, won't the E8 be back to a two year grace period to get back to 7 members?  So, we're looking at 3+ years to find another dance partner.  With Buff State leaving the NJAC next year, Brockport and, to a lesser extent, Cortland will feel the same pinch that Springfield felt when Norwich left.  Port now becomes the NJAC team furthest west and the one with the most to gain budget-wise by making a switch.  And in the next 3 years that may intensify.  Maybe this is just Pollyannaish on my part, but I think by 2015 the Empire 8 football consortium will be all teams in the Empire State, if not 8 members.

No, the exemption must be granted on a case-by-case basis.  It's plausible they could get an exemption, but how bad is it if a conference went back to the NCAA two years after a two-year exemption period to ask for yet another?  I'm not sure they'd grant another one to the E8.  So, it's a real roll of the dice.