East Region Fan Poll

[Frank Rossi]

I got about halfway through it and then heard blah blah blah........
Sorry Frank...I have the Attention span of a flea....

That means I'm even worse than a flea!

It's ok, since your name isn't Ralph...

[pg04]

I got about halfway through it and then heard blah blah blah........
Sorry Frank...I have the Attention span of a flea....

That means I'm even worse than a flea!

It's ok, since your name isn't Ralph...

Maybe it is! 

[AUKaz00]

I do agree that getting a more geographical proximate team to fill the void left by Norwich (who knew Norwich football could leave a void?!?) would have been preferrable.  And I can't believe the E8 didn't try every avenue before moving on to the Maryland fix.  However, after the two year agreement, won't the E8 be back to a two year grace period to get back to 7 members?  So, we're looking at 3+ years to find another dance partner.  With Buff State leaving the NJAC next year, Brockport and, to a lesser extent, Cortland will feel the same pinch that Springfield felt when Norwich left.  Port now becomes the NJAC team furthest west and the one with the most to gain budget-wise by making a switch.  And in the next 3 years that may intensify.  Maybe this is just Pollyannaish on my part, but I think by 2015 the Empire 8 football consortium will be all teams in the Empire State, if not 8 members.

No, the exemption must be granted on a case-by-case basis.  It's plausible they could get an exemption, but how bad is it if a conference went back to the NCAA two years after a two-year exemption period to ask for yet another?  I'm not sure they'd grant another one to the E8.  So, it's a real roll of the dice.

Fair enough, but I still don't understand how the conference is worse off with this temporary bridge.  They have already lined up Buff State and have 18 months to find one more partner.  My presumption is that whether they went Pool B, were able to land a WNY SUNY school, or brought in the Maryland contingent that Springfield would make the move to the LL anyway, so this move really gave them additional time to negotiate. 

Considering the exemption, even if there is only a small chance for another exemption, that chance is larger than going back and asking for more time prior to this season.  And I find it hard to believe that Buff State would burn their bridges with the NJAC to move to a league that will lose it's AQ a year later.  Maybe we can get Alfred State to make the leap from NJCAA and get a rivalry game here in Mayberry out of the deal!

[AUPepBand]

I do agree that getting a more geographical proximate team to fill the void left by Norwich (who knew Norwich football could leave a void?!?) would have been preferrable.  And I can't believe the E8 didn't try every avenue before moving on to the Maryland fix.  However, after the two year agreement, won't the E8 be back to a two year grace period to get back to 7 members?  So, we're looking at 3+ years to find another dance partner.  With Buff State leaving the NJAC next year, Brockport and, to a lesser extent, Cortland will feel the same pinch that Springfield felt when Norwich left.  Port now becomes the NJAC team furthest west and the one with the most to gain budget-wise by making a switch.  And in the next 3 years that may intensify.  Maybe this is just Pollyannaish on my part, but I think by 2015 the Empire 8 football consortium will be all teams in the Empire State, if not 8 members.

No, the exemption must be granted on a case-by-case basis.  It's plausible they could get an exemption, but how bad is it if a conference went back to the NCAA two years after a two-year exemption period to ask for yet another?  I'm not sure they'd grant another one to the E8.  So, it's a real roll of the dice.

Fair enough, but I still don't understand how the conference is worse off with this temporary bridge.  They have already lined up Buff State and have 18 months to find one more partner.  My presumption is that whether they went Pool B, were able to land a WNY SUNY school, or brought in the Maryland contingent that Springfield would make the move to the LL anyway, so this move really gave them additional time to negotiate. 

Considering the exemption, even if there is only a small chance for another exemption, that chance is larger than going back and asking for more time prior to this season.  And I find it hard to believe that Buff State would burn their bridges with the NJAC to move to a league that will lose it's AQ a year later.  Maybe we can get Alfred State to make the leap from NJCAA and get a rivalry game here in Mayberry out of the deal!

You mean like the Saxons playing the Pioneers for the "Traffic Light Trophy"?

[Pat Coleman]

I do agree that getting a more geographical proximate team to fill the void left by Norwich (who knew Norwich football could leave a void?!?) would have been preferrable.  And I can't believe the E8 didn't try every avenue before moving on to the Maryland fix.  However, after the two year agreement, won't the E8 be back to a two year grace period to get back to 7 members?  So, we're looking at 3+ years to find another dance partner.  With Buff State leaving the NJAC next year, Brockport and, to a lesser extent, Cortland will feel the same pinch that Springfield felt when Norwich left.  Port now becomes the NJAC team furthest west and the one with the most to gain budget-wise by making a switch.  And in the next 3 years that may intensify.  Maybe this is just Pollyannaish on my part, but I think by 2015 the Empire 8 football consortium will be all teams in the Empire State, if not 8 members.

No, the exemption must be granted on a case-by-case basis.  It's plausible they could get an exemption, but how bad is it if a conference went back to the NCAA two years after a two-year exemption period to ask for yet another?  I'm not sure they'd grant another one to the E8.  So, it's a real roll of the dice.

There's no evidence to suggest this, by the way. This is pure, pure speculation to fit Frank's worldview that the Empire 8 is somehow any more in trouble than usual.

[Frank Rossi]

I do agree that getting a more geographical proximate team to fill the void left by Norwich (who knew Norwich football could leave a void?!?) would have been preferrable.  And I can't believe the E8 didn't try every avenue before moving on to the Maryland fix.  However, after the two year agreement, won't the E8 be back to a two year grace period to get back to 7 members?  So, we're looking at 3+ years to find another dance partner.  With Buff State leaving the NJAC next year, Brockport and, to a lesser extent, Cortland will feel the same pinch that Springfield felt when Norwich left.  Port now becomes the NJAC team furthest west and the one with the most to gain budget-wise by making a switch.  And in the next 3 years that may intensify.  Maybe this is just Pollyannaish on my part, but I think by 2015 the Empire 8 football consortium will be all teams in the Empire State, if not 8 members.

No, the exemption must be granted on a case-by-case basis.  It's plausible they could get an exemption, but how bad is it if a conference went back to the NCAA two years after a two-year exemption period to ask for yet another?  I'm not sure they'd grant another one to the E8.  So, it's a real roll of the dice.

There's no evidence to suggest this, by the way. This is pure, pure speculation to fit Frank's worldview that the Empire 8 is somehow any more in trouble than usual.

Excuse me?

[dewcrew88]

attention FR y PC:
Don't hijack this thread like my FB status 
kthxbye

[Frank Rossi]

attention FR y PC:
Don't hijack this thread like my FB status 
kthxbye

What, where Pat didn't think that the year Joe Buck's dad died allowed for Joe to use his dad's line... and the year that the Cardinals pulled out a Game 6 miracle nine years later shouldn't allow for his first use of said line since?  Yeah, you're right, DC.  No need to hijack.  soknightynight

[dewcrew88]

attention FR y PC:
Don't hijack this thread like my FB status 
kthxbye

What, where Pat didn't think that the year Joe Buck's dad died allowed for Joe to use his dad's line... and the year that the Cardinals pulled out a Game 6 miracle nine years later would allow for his first use of said line?  Yeah, you're right, DC.  No need to hijack.  soknightynight

I was kidding, mang. Good luck to your Dutchmen tomorrow.

[Frank Rossi]

attention FR y PC:
Don't hijack this thread like my FB status 
kthxbye

What, where Pat didn't think that the year Joe Buck's dad died allowed for Joe to use his dad's line... and the year that the Cardinals pulled out a Game 6 miracle nine years later would allow for his first use of said line?  Yeah, you're right, DC.  No need to hijack.  soknightynight

I was kidding, mang. Good luck to your Dutchmen tomorrow.

So was I.  Although, I meant it last night when I said Joe did it as a tribute to his dad since the only other time he ever used it was the year his dad died -- never in any other CS or WS.  That was my point to you last night, and I was glad he used it for his dad's team.

Thanks for the wish of luck.  Should be a good one, potentially in the snow.

[pg04]

Endicott lost to WNEC 40-37.  Say goodbye to the gulls' playoff chances.  I guess we won't be seeing Endicott in Salem this year. 

The other gulls, Salisbury also lost (to Wesley).

[dlippiel]

Endicott lost to WNEC 40-37.  Say goodbye to the gulls' playoff chances.  I guess we won't be seeing Endicott in Salem this year. 

The other gulls, Salisbury also lost (to Wesley).

Dlip is ****ing annoyed by the Salisbury loss.

[Frank Rossi]

Endicott lost to WNEC 40-37.  Say goodbye to the gulls' playoff chances.  I guess we won't be seeing Endicott in Salem this year. 

The other gulls, Salisbury also lost (to Wesley).

Not so fast, pg.  If WNEC and Endicott run the table, Endicott will be in serious Pool C consideration.  One-loss runners up are hard to come by, and we saw this happen in 2008 (Curry).

[Mr. Ypsi]

Endicott lost to WNEC 40-37.  Say goodbye to the gulls' playoff chances.  I guess we won't be seeing Endicott in Salem this year. 

The other gulls, Salisbury also lost (to Wesley).

Dlip is ****ing annoyed by the Salisbury loss.

Is that a purely E8 pride thing, or that 'the east' will now almost inevitably go thru Alliance again?

I'm annoyed because Mr. Mom (OAC) and Wally_Wabash (NCAC) had such divergent spreads that I would have won (picking differently) in BOTH pools if Wesley had won by 8 or less!

[Charles]

Endicott lost to WNEC 40-37.  Say goodbye to the gulls' playoff chances.  I guess we won't be seeing Endicott in Salem this year. 

The other gulls, Salisbury also lost (to Wesley).

Not so fast, pg.  If WNEC and Endicott run the table, Endicott will be in serious Pool C consideration.  One-loss runners up are hard to come by, and we saw this happen in 2008 (Curry).

Endicott had 505 yards of offense to 255 for WNEC. At times you couldn't see across the field, the field had 4 inches of snow on it. Too bad they had to play in that weatehr. Oh well, both teams had to play in it. I'm thinking that the guys will be in Salem tonight for Halloween.