East Region Fan Poll

[Frank Rossi]

Raising the conference minimum would likely accomplish that, LD.

Raising the conference minimum sucks though because it cuts out OOC games and creates NEFC type of 'inbred' issues.   I'd rather see a 6-7 game in conference schedule and 2-4 OOC matchups.

That's an equation for 4- and 5-loss teams winning AQs, though.

Yeah vs. the equation for SUNY-Maritime's of the world getting top seeds.

That's a whole separate question -- Committee inability to differentiate relative conference strength.

How can you when they only play each other?

Three of their games are OOC games, LD.  It's a question of who they're scheduling in those games that you're concerned about here.

[pg04]

IMO, I like it better when teams play 2 or 3 OOC.  Therefore, I completely disagree with the super conference thing.  The OOC games are the ONLY way we can compare conferences in the regular season at all.  So now we eliminate that factor, yet you want more Pool C bids?  Talk about MORE subjectivity. 

[Bombers798891]

IMO, I like it better when teams play 2 or 3 OOC.  Therefore, I completely disagree with the super conference thing.  The OOC games are the ONLY way we can compare conferences in the regular season at all.  So now we eliminate that factor, yet you want more Pool C bids?  Talk about MORE subjectivity.

True, but even raising it to a 9-team conference would allow for two OOC games. So it wouldn't be eliminated, just reduced.

[lewdogg11]

IMO, I like it better when teams play 2 or 3 OOC.  Therefore, I completely disagree with the super conference thing.  The OOC games are the ONLY way we can compare conferences in the regular season at all.  So now we eliminate that factor, yet you want more Pool C bids?  Talk about MORE subjectivity.

True, but even raising it to a 9-team conference would allow for two OOC games. So it wouldn't be eliminated, just reduced.

Unless it's a 9 game schedule, which isn't uncommon, then you potentially have 1 OOC game against Castleton St. which does nothing.  I'd just rather see 2-4 OOC games where teams can actually schedule a couple freebies and a couple tough ones.

[Frank Rossi]

IMO, I like it better when teams play 2 or 3 OOC.  Therefore, I completely disagree with the super conference thing.  The OOC games are the ONLY way we can compare conferences in the regular season at all.  So now we eliminate that factor, yet you want more Pool C bids?  Talk about MORE subjectivity.

9-team conferences play 2 OOC games.  Superconferences actually would be allowed in general to play 2-3 OOC games.

[Bombers798891]

IMO, I like it better when teams play 2 or 3 OOC.  Therefore, I completely disagree with the super conference thing.  The OOC games are the ONLY way we can compare conferences in the regular season at all.  So now we eliminate that factor, yet you want more Pool C bids?  Talk about MORE subjectivity.

True, but even raising it to a 9-team conference would allow for two OOC games. So it wouldn't be eliminated, just reduced.

Unless it's a 9 game schedule, which isn't uncommon, then you potentially have 1 OOC game against Castleton St. which does nothing.  I'd just rather see 2-4 OOC games where teams can actually schedule a couple freebies and a couple tough ones.

Then schedule a 10-game schedule or, if you only do have one OOC game, don't make it a terrible Castleton State team.

[pg04]

But then, if it's a superconference, there will most likely be a conference championship game, which takes away one of the OOC games.  This can go on and on.  And, apparently it will, I'm not even sure what this argument is about anymore. 

[Frank Rossi]

But then, if it's a superconference, there will most likely be a conference championship game, which takes away one of the OOC games.  This can go on and on.  And, apparently it will, I'm not even sure what this argument is about anymore.

That's a team's option.  The NEFC has teams that play 11 games when the championship is included.  Also, there is nothing preventing Game 10 from being a conference crossover weekend, with the top game being the championship game and the underneath games being for 3/4, 5/6, 7/8, etc.  That would relieve the need for an extra conference game inside the base schedule.

[jknezek]

The NCAA's first regional rankings are up. Can be found here:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/category/regional-rankings/

1 Delaware Valley 7-0 8-0
2 Hobart 6-0 6-0
3 Salisbury 6-1 7-1
4 St. John Fisher 7-1 7-1
5 Montclair State 7-1 7-1
6 Kean 7-1 7-1
7 Widener 7-1 8-1
8 Lycoming 6-1 7-1
8 Western New England 8-1 8-1
10 SUNY-Maritime 7-0 7-1

[Frank Rossi]

The NCAA's first regional rankings are up. Can be found here:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/category/regional-rankings/

1 Delaware Valley 7-0 8-0
2 Hobart 6-0 6-0
3 Salisbury 6-1 7-1
4 St. John Fisher 7-1 7-1
5 Montclair State 7-1 7-1
6 Kean 7-1 7-1
7 Widener 7-1 8-1
8 Lycoming 6-1 7-1
8 Western New England 8-1 8-1
10 SUNY-Maritime 7-0 7-1

The proximity of SJF to Salisbury makes for bad news for teams like Endicott.  The loser of that head-to-head matchup will likely not fall too far under the Widener/Lycoming bloc.  That means that in Pool C rankings, Endicott may never see the board as one of the four regions' top teams not yet picked because SJF/Salisbury would block them until that team (if ever) gets picked.

[lewdogg11]

The NCAA's first regional rankings are up. Can be found here:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/category/regional-rankings/

1 Delaware Valley 7-0 8-0
2 Hobart 6-0 6-0
3 Salisbury 6-1 7-1
4 St. John Fisher 7-1 7-1
5 Montclair State 7-1 7-1
6 Kean 7-1 7-1
7 Widener 7-1 8-1
8 Lycoming 6-1 7-1
8 Western New England 8-1 8-1
10 SUNY-Maritime 7-0 7-1

The proximity of SJF to Salisbury makes for bad news for teams like Endicott.  The loser of that head-to-head matchup will likely not fall too far under the Widener/Lycoming bloc.  That means that in Pool C rankings, Endicott may never see the board as one of the four regions' top teams not yet picked because SJF/Salisbury would block them until that team (if ever) gets picked.

Yeah but it's entirely likely that Fisher, Kean/Montclair, and Widener AND Lyco(or even DVC) could tumble way down in the next 2 weeks. 

[Frank Rossi]

The NCAA's first regional rankings are up. Can be found here:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/category/regional-rankings/

1 Delaware Valley 7-0 8-0
2 Hobart 6-0 6-0
3 Salisbury 6-1 7-1
4 St. John Fisher 7-1 7-1
5 Montclair State 7-1 7-1
6 Kean 7-1 7-1
7 Widener 7-1 8-1
8 Lycoming 6-1 7-1
8 Western New England 8-1 8-1
10 SUNY-Maritime 7-0 7-1

The proximity of SJF to Salisbury makes for bad news for teams like Endicott.  The loser of that head-to-head matchup will likely not fall too far under the Widener/Lycoming bloc.  That means that in Pool C rankings, Endicott may never see the board as one of the four regions' top teams not yet picked because SJF/Salisbury would block them until that team (if ever) gets picked.

Yeah but it's entirely likely that Fisher, Kean/Montclair, and Widener AND Lyco(or even DVC) could tumble way down in the next 2 weeks.

I doubt the SJF/Salisbury falls below Endicott.  That's asking for a lot.

[lewdogg11]

The NCAA's first regional rankings are up. Can be found here:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/category/regional-rankings/

1 Delaware Valley 7-0 8-0
2 Hobart 6-0 6-0
3 Salisbury 6-1 7-1
4 St. John Fisher 7-1 7-1
5 Montclair State 7-1 7-1
6 Kean 7-1 7-1
7 Widener 7-1 8-1
8 Lycoming 6-1 7-1
8 Western New England 8-1 8-1
10 SUNY-Maritime 7-0 7-1

The proximity of SJF to Salisbury makes for bad news for teams like Endicott.  The loser of that head-to-head matchup will likely not fall too far under the Widener/Lycoming bloc.  That means that in Pool C rankings, Endicott may never see the board as one of the four regions' top teams not yet picked because SJF/Salisbury would block them until that team (if ever) gets picked.

Yeah but it's entirely likely that Fisher, Kean/Montclair, and Widener AND Lyco(or even DVC) could tumble way down in the next 2 weeks.

I doubt the SJF/Salisbury falls below Endicott.  That's asking for a lot.

I doubt Salisbury would because I expect them to win, but what if Salisbury wins 42-3?

[Frank Rossi]

The NCAA's first regional rankings are up. Can be found here:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/category/regional-rankings/

1 Delaware Valley 7-0 8-0
2 Hobart 6-0 6-0
3 Salisbury 6-1 7-1
4 St. John Fisher 7-1 7-1
5 Montclair State 7-1 7-1
6 Kean 7-1 7-1
7 Widener 7-1 8-1
8 Lycoming 6-1 7-1
8 Western New England 8-1 8-1
10 SUNY-Maritime 7-0 7-1

The proximity of SJF to Salisbury makes for bad news for teams like Endicott.  The loser of that head-to-head matchup will likely not fall too far under the Widener/Lycoming bloc.  That means that in Pool C rankings, Endicott may never see the board as one of the four regions' top teams not yet picked because SJF/Salisbury would block them until that team (if ever) gets picked.

Yeah but it's entirely likely that Fisher, Kean/Montclair, and Widener AND Lyco(or even DVC) could tumble way down in the next 2 weeks.

I doubt the SJF/Salisbury falls below Endicott.  That's asking for a lot.

I doubt Salisbury would because I expect them to win, but what if Salisbury wins 42-3?

Margin of victory is supposed to be ignored unless comparing teams that have played the same team.

[lewdogg11]

Frank,

If you were a cat, and I called you a cat, would you tell me that you are not a cat, but in fact you are a dog?