East Region Fan Poll

[jmcozenlaw]

Timeforachange - Should be a great game next Saturday in bucolic Doylestown (slightly less bucolic after last Saturday's snowstorm though)

Widener gets a chance to either prove you correct.......or not so.

[gordonmann]

If the Lycoming-Del Val play-by-play shows Lyco losing the ball at Del Val's 6 on the last play, that's a mistake. The ball never crossed Lyco's 35.  It was two laterals, basically backwards and then Vega grabbed it well into Lyco territory. I haven't seen the pbp yet, so I'm not sure what it shows.

[Frank Rossi]

Anyone notice that Albion, a team that has clinched and has Trine remaining on its schedule, is currently 5-4?  Also, unless Union wins the LL, the Committee has some issues regarding how to handle a Mount Union import -- Norwich (7-3) and WNEC/Worcester State are >500 miles from Mount Union (Union is 487 miles estimated).  Norwich is 400 miles from Delaware Valley.  Here's my projected East-centric Bracket if Union does not win the LL:

1) Mount Union
2) Delaware Valley (If They Beat Widener)
3) Salisbury (If They Beat Frostburg)
4) Montclair/Kean Winner (NJAC Pool A)
5) Hobart
6) WNEC/Framingham State Winner (NEFC Pool A)
7) Norwich
8) Albion

If the Top 3 win in their first games, no flights would be required in this bracket whatsoever.  However, even if the NEFC Champ won, there still would be no flight until the third round.

[Frank Rossi]

We also have an interesting overall Pool C problem:

Conferences with potential for one-loss runners-up for Pool C (Updated 11/6/11) (Letters preceding estimate chances of potential, * - clinched runner-up status with one loss):

(*) MWC – Illinois College in clubhouse at 9-1

(*) NEFC – Endicott in clubhouse at 9-1

(A) CCIW – Illinois Wesleyan must beat Augustana

(A) SCAC – Centre must beat Rhodes

(B) IND/Pool B – Wesley must beat Huntingdon; Case must beat Carnegie Mellon (Note: Case has one loss out of its region)

(B) MAC – Widener must beat DelVal

(B) SCIAC – Redlands must beat Chapman

(D) NWC – Lewis & Clark must beat Linfield

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(F) ASC – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team (Note: 1 McMurry loss vs. Non-D3 opponent; faces MS College)

(F) ECFC – Impossible for runner-up to have 1 loss (Note that Maritime's OOC loss was out of division)


If Linfield and DelVal win next week, there are only six teams remaining at the Pool C, 1-loss list.  Now, here's the kicker:  McMurry's (ASC) first loss was to a team outside of its division.  The second loss was to UMHB.  Chances are, McMurry will be viewed as a one-loss team for the purposes of selection.  Therefore, Endicott potentially gets trumped there.  What happens if one other upset occurs in the top list?  Does the Committee just blindly take Endicott as a Pool C team, or does the Committee enter into the sea of two-loss teams, like the NJAC runner up, Fisher and several other teams across the country? 

[rams1102]

We also have an interesting overall Pool C problem:

Conferences with potential for one-loss runners-up for Pool C (Updated 11/6/11) (Letters preceding estimate chances of potential, * - clinched runner-up status with one loss):

(*) MWC – Illinois College in clubhouse at 9-1

(*) NEFC – Endicott in clubhouse at 9-1

(A) CCIW – Illinois Wesleyan must beat Augustana

(A) SCAC – Centre must beat Rhodes

(B) IND/Pool B – Wesley must beat Huntingdon; Case must beat Carnegie Mellon (Note: Case has one loss out of its region)

(B) MAC – Widener must beat DelVal

(B) SCIAC – Redlands must beat Chapman

(D) NWC – Lewis & Clark must beat Linfield

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(F) ASC – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team (Note: 1 McMurry loss vs. Non-D3 opponent; faces MS College)

(F) ECFC – Impossible for runner-up to have 1 loss (Note that Maritime's OOC loss was out of division)


If Linfield and DelVal win next week, there are only six teams remaining at the Pool C, 1-loss list.  Now, here's the kicker:  McMurry's (ASC) first loss was to a team outside of its division.  The second loss was to UMHB.  Chances are, McMurry will be viewed as a one-loss team for the purposes of selection.  Therefore, Endicott potentially gets trumped there.  What happens if one other upset occurs in the top list?  Does the Committee just blindly take Endicott as a Pool C team, or does the Committee enter into the sea of two-loss teams, like the NJAC runner up, Fisher and several other teams across the country?

You can sure make a case for any (2) loss NJAC, MAC or E8 Team over Endicott.

[SUADC]

Here is my East bracket predictions as of now:
1. Delaware Valley
2. Salisbury
3. Winner of NJAC (Montclair St. or Kean)
4. Wesley (Moving from South)
5. Hobart
6. Western New England/Worchester Winner
7. Norwich
8. (2nd Place NJAC or St. John Fisher) or Endicott

I do not think that Mount Union will be moved from the North, due to the North not having that many undefeated teams. I believe that if Delaware Valley wins out they should be able to prove that they are the true #1 East team. Also, I think they will move Wesley into the bracket to help out with traveling. I believe that at least one two lost team should should be able to be the eight seed (e.g. Montclair/Kean, St. John Fisher, Widener/Lycoming.)

[rams1102]

Here is my East bracket predictions as of now:
1. Delaware Valley
2. Salisbury
3. Winner of NJAC (Montclair St. or Kean)
4. Wesley (Moving from South)
5. Hobart
6. Western New England/Worchester Winner
7. Norwich
8. (2nd Place NJAC or St. John Fisher) or Endicott

I do not think that Mount Union will be moved from the North, due to the North not having that many undefeated teams. I believe that if Delaware Valley wins out they should be able to prove that they are the true #1 East team. Also, I think they will move Wesley into the bracket to help out with traveling. I believe that at least one two lost team should should be able to be the eight seed (e.g. Montclair/Kean, St. John Fisher, Widener/Lycoming.)

Not bad, only that Wesley S/B #2, Salisbury #3 and Montclair/Kean #4.

[Pat Coleman]

I do not think that Mount Union will be moved from the North, due to the North not having that many undefeated teams.

I'm not sure that's really a thing, and even so, they would move undefeated Whitewater into that bracket.

[Ralph Turner]

I do not think that Mount Union will be moved from the North, due to the North not having that many undefeated teams.

I'm not sure that's really a thing, and even so, they would move undefeated Whitewater into that bracket.

I agree.  You have a log jam of quality teams in the West...Linfield, Tommies, UWW, ,

And the West has had more unique schools as national champions in the last 18 years of the Salem era...Pac LU, Linfield, St Johns, UWW UW-La Crosse.

It is the West Region that is causing trouble for the committee.

[Knightstalker]

I do not think that Mount Union will be moved from the North, due to the North not having that many undefeated teams.

I'm not sure that's really a thing, and even so, they would move undefeated Whitewater into that bracket.

I agree.  You have a log jam of quality teams in the West...Linfield, Tommies, UWW, ,

And the West has had more unique schools as national champions in the last 18 years of the Salem era...Pac LU, Linfield, St Johns, UWW UW-La Crosse.

It is the West Region that is causing trouble for the committee.

Well they should stop causing so much damn trouble.

[lewdogg11]

Ok, dependent on what Delaware Valley does this week, I think the bracket's will shake out as such:

Bracket 1:  (Delaware Valley wins this week)
1.  Mount Union
2.  Delaware Valley
3.  Salisbury
4.  Kean/Montclair
5.  Hobart
6.  WNEC/Framingham
7.  Norwich
8.  Albion

Bracket 2:  (Delaware Valley still wins this week)
1.  Delaware Valley
2.  Johns Hopkins
3.  Salisbury
4.  Kean/Montclair
5.  Hobart
6.  WNEC/Framingham
7.  Endicott
8.  Norwich

Bracket 3:  (Delaware Valley loses this week)
1.  Mount Union
2.  Widener
3.  Kean/Montclair
4.  Hobart
5.  Delaware Valley
6.  WNEC/Framingham
7.  Norwich
8.  Albion
*In this case, I think Salisbury gets a 3-5 seed in the South Region. 

I think Albion makes all the sense in the world to the NCAA.  They are relatively close to Mount Union and shouldn't warrant any more than an 8 seed.

I think DVC is in win or lose but losing could just move Salisbury South.  I think there is a SMALL chance that Endicott gets in but I find my Bracket 2 to be the least likely.

[wesleydad]

Lew, i would like to see the del val - salisbury game.  having seen both teams play this year i think they would match up well.  both offenses will likely be able to move the ball.  as usual the question will be can del val stop the triple option.  not sure if anyone runs it in the mac.  they are strong on defense as usual, but can the d line do what is necessary to stop it.  I think del val will be able to move the ball after watching fisher move the ball this past weekend.  del val has a mobile qb just like fisher.  turnovers may be the difference.  i think del val would win but it would be a good one.

[Upstate]

Bracket 3:  (Delaware Valley loses this week)
1.  Mount Union
2.  Widener
3.  Kean/Montclair
4.  Hobart
5.  Delaware Valley
6.  WNEC/Framingham
7.  Norwich
8.  Albion
*In this case, I think Salisbury gets a 3-5 seed in the South Region. 

I think this bracket is pretty solid...

[AUKaz00]

If UMU to the East is a fait accompli, then as fans of the East we should probably root for Widener to win the MAC so we can get a Pool C bid that isn't Endicott.  However, I'm hopeful that Mount's inclusion in our sandbox has been a function of lacking an undefeated regional representative these past 5 years, so I'll be pulling for the Aggies if only to test that theory.

[Frank Rossi]

Ok, dependent on what Delaware Valley does this week, I think the bracket's will shake out as such:

Bracket 1:  (Delaware Valley wins this week)
1.  Mount Union
2.  Delaware Valley
3.  Salisbury
4.  Kean/Montclair
5.  Hobart
6.  WNEC/Framingham
7.  Norwich
8.  Albion

Wow... Identical to mine, Boss, from yesterday afternoon.