East Region Fan Poll

[Frank Rossi]

Im glad someone else said something about Endicott jumping Fisher and not some Fisher homer like me.
Honest to god, what does it take for the committee to realize that this conference is just BAD?
Fisher doesnt deserve a spot but Endicott?  Really?

Neither of them deserve a spot, and unless some crazy ish happens this week, I'm pretty confident neither get a bid.

All it would require is one or two upsets nationally inside the Pool C potential one-loss teams remaining.  Fisher has the third best SOS nationally (granted, it should drop slightly this weekend).  That would've made the team the best two-loss team on the board for pure SOS purposes if a two-loss team is needed in the selection process.

[AUKaz00]

Cmon Kaz,
As much as you enjoyed that game.....Didnt you want a little better competition?

To be perfectly honest, I actually booed when they went into the hurry-up in the final minute of the first half up 43-0.  And I did want better competition... in the second round!

As to Pat's point, the play calling in the second half wasn't even vanilla.  I'd say it was more plain-flavored.

[Frank Rossi]

It would something like this.
1) MUC (Pool A)
2) Johns Hopkins (Pool A)
3) Salisbury (Pool A)
4) Widener (Pool A)
5) NJAC Winner (Pool A)
6) Hobart (Pool A)
7) NEFC Winner (Pool A)
8) Norwich (Pool A)

It's been pointed out several times that neither the NEFC rep or Norwich will be going to MUC because of the 500 mile rule...

Agree 100%, that is why MUC would most likely play the NJAC Winner because based on playoff seed usually the winner of #1 vs #8 team plays the winner of #4 vs. #5, so in all respect, they would allow MUC to play the #5 seed for the first round and assuming the #4 beats #8, the travel rule will still be in affect with MUC playing the #4 in the second round.

That's not how it works.  Hobart would be the team that travels under your bracket.

That said, if there is no East Pool C team and Union does not make the playoffs, the NCAA will likely be forced to move Mount Union in with another team from another bracket that can travel to Mount Union.  It's problematic if by moving Mount Union into the East allows for a First Round 1/6 matchup because of the 500-mile rule -- the decision begins lacking any kind of equity at that point.  That's why LD and I both spotted Albion -- they are 250 miles away from Mount Union and a legitimate 8-seed.  It would cleanly fill the East bracket in a less controversial way.

[lewdogg11]

It would something like this.
1) MUC (Pool A)
2) Johns Hopkins (Pool A)
3) Salisbury (Pool A)
4) Widener (Pool A)
5) NJAC Winner (Pool A)
6) Hobart (Pool A)
7) NEFC Winner (Pool A)
8) Norwich (Pool A)

It's been pointed out several times that neither the NEFC rep or Norwich will be going to MUC because of the 500 mile rule...

Agree 100%, that is why MUC would most likely play the NJAC Winner because based on playoff seed usually the winner of #1 vs #8 team plays the winner of #4 vs. #5, so in all respect, they would allow MUC to play the #5 seed for the first round and assuming the #4 beats #8, the travel rule will still be in affect with MUC playing the #4 in the second round.

That's not how it works.  Hobart would be the team that travels under your bracket.

That said, if there is no East Pool C team and Union does not make the playoffs, the NCAA will likely be forced to move Mount Union in with another team from another bracket that can travel to Mount Union.  It's problematic if by moving Mount Union into the East allows for a First Round 1/6 matchup because of the 500-mile rule -- the decision begins lacking any kind of equity at that point.  That's why LD and I both spotted Albion -- they are 250 miles away from Mount Union and a legitimate 8-seed.  It would cleanly fill the East bracket in a less controversial way.

For me, not only did distance play in, but I don't think the 'East' has 8 playoff worthy teams(AQ's included, as 2-3 of the AQ's could be ugly too).  I think they have 6.  And if the MAC sends 2, then we have 7, but have the flexibility of shipping DVC or Salisbury south.  I really think the MUC/Albion thing makes a ton of sense and if the NCAA wasn't thinking it before, if any wind of this board blows there way, it might open some eyes.

[Charles]

Im glad someone else said something about Endicott jumping Fisher and not some Fisher homer like me.
Honest to god, what does it take for the committee to realize that this conference is just BAD?
Fisher doesnt deserve a spot but Endicott?  Really?

91...it was me.  Like I said before, it is borderline pathetic.  Endicott played one "tough" team this year, and lost (to WNEC).  WNEC...the same team that needed to score with under two minutes to go to beat the ECFC champion, Norwich.  Honestly...even at 9-1...what team did Endicott beat that is even remotely "impressive", considering they only beat two teams with an above .500 record (Framingham State and Salve)?  When you are hanging your hat, and body of work, on a 7 point win over Salve (who isn't a bad team, just not an overly impressive one)...your body of work is pretty terrible.  Especially when you look at these "Regional Rankings"...where it is pretty obvious that whoever is voting on this poll is looking at nothing more that overall wins and loses...and doing zero homework on who is playing who.

These conferences (NEFC and ECFC), with their utterly weak overall play and performance, are killing the East Region.  An additional problem that we are seeing right now is because of their (the NEFC and ECFC leagues) geographical location, they pretty much have to remain in the East Region (with the current 500 mile rule).  So now...unlike almost every NJAC, MAC, E8, or LL rep who could be shipped to the South Region (or even the North Region in some instances)...the East Region is stuck with these two stellar Pool A reps, and also get to avoid a #1 seed like MUC in the first round. 

Honestly...I think running up scores on teams in almost every case is in ridiculously poor taste...but if I were an NJAC, MAC, E8, or LL rep, I would be hard pressed to take my foot off the gas against any NEFC/ECFC team in the first round match-up in attempt to send a message to the NCAA that they need to do a better job of managing the tournament.

Like I said it was border line pathetic. You're funny.

[Yanks 99]

Im glad someone else said something about Endicott jumping Fisher and not some Fisher homer like me.
Honest to god, what does it take for the committee to realize that this conference is just BAD?
Fisher doesnt deserve a spot but Endicott?  Really?

91...it was me.  Like I said before, it is borderline pathetic.  Endicott played one "tough" team this year, and lost (to WNEC).  WNEC...the same team that needed to score with under two minutes to go to beat the ECFC champion, Norwich.  Honestly...even at 9-1...what team did Endicott beat that is even remotely "impressive", considering they only beat two teams with an above .500 record (Framingham State and Salve)?  When you are hanging your hat, and body of work, on a 7 point win over Salve (who isn't a bad team, just not an overly impressive one)...your body of work is pretty terrible.  Especially when you look at these "Regional Rankings"...where it is pretty obvious that whoever is voting on this poll is looking at nothing more that overall wins and loses...and doing zero homework on who is playing who.

These conferences (NEFC and ECFC), with their utterly weak overall play and performance, are killing the East Region.  An additional problem that we are seeing right now is because of their (the NEFC and ECFC leagues) geographical location, they pretty much have to remain in the East Region (with the current 500 mile rule).  So now...unlike almost every NJAC, MAC, E8, or LL rep who could be shipped to the South Region (or even the North Region in some instances)...the East Region is stuck with these two stellar Pool A reps, and also get to avoid a #1 seed like MUC in the first round. 

Honestly...I think running up scores on teams in almost every case is in ridiculously poor taste...but if I were an NJAC, MAC, E8, or LL rep, I would be hard pressed to take my foot off the gas against any NEFC/ECFC team in the first round match-up in attempt to send a message to the NCAA that they need to do a better job of managing the tournament.

Like I said it was border line pathetic. You're funny.

Not sure what you are getting at here...I never said that you said it was pathetic.  I am saying that the regional poll that has Endicott above Fisher is pathetic.  And it is.

And you can ask anyone...I am the furthest thing from a St. John Fisher fan...

[Charles]

Im glad someone else said something about Endicott jumping Fisher and not some Fisher homer like me.
Honest to god, what does it take for the committee to realize that this conference is just BAD?
Fisher doesnt deserve a spot but Endicott?  Really?

91...it was me.  Like I said before, it is borderline pathetic.  Endicott played one "tough" team this year, and lost (to WNEC).  WNEC...the same team that needed to score with under two minutes to go to beat the ECFC champion, Norwich.  Honestly...even at 9-1...what team did Endicott beat that is even remotely "impressive", considering they only beat two teams with an above .500 record (Framingham State and Salve)?  When you are hanging your hat, and body of work, on a 7 point win over Salve (who isn't a bad team, just not an overly impressive one)...your body of work is pretty terrible.  Especially when you look at these "Regional Rankings"...where it is pretty obvious that whoever is voting on this poll is looking at nothing more that overall wins and loses...and doing zero homework on who is playing who.

These conferences (NEFC and ECFC), with their utterly weak overall play and performance, are killing the East Region.  An additional problem that we are seeing right now is because of their (the NEFC and ECFC leagues) geographical location, they pretty much have to remain in the East Region (with the current 500 mile rule).  So now...unlike almost every NJAC, MAC, E8, or LL rep who could be shipped to the South Region (or even the North Region in some instances)...the East Region is stuck with these two stellar Pool A reps, and also get to avoid a #1 seed like MUC in the first round. 

Honestly...I think running up scores on teams in almost every case is in ridiculously poor taste...but if I were an NJAC, MAC, E8, or LL rep, I would be hard pressed to take my foot off the gas against any NEFC/ECFC team in the first round match-up in attempt to send a message to the NCAA that they need to do a better job of managing the tournament.

Like I said it was border line pathetic. You're funny.

Not sure what you are getting at here...I never said that you said it was pathetic.  I am saying that the regional poll that has Endicott above Fisher is pathetic.  And it is.

And you can ask anyone...I am the furthest thing from a St. John Fisher fan...

Listen Matt, you should stop bashing Endicott and the NEFC. It is offensive to people.

[Yanks 99]

Im glad someone else said something about Endicott jumping Fisher and not some Fisher homer like me.
Honest to god, what does it take for the committee to realize that this conference is just BAD?
Fisher doesnt deserve a spot but Endicott?  Really?

91...it was me.  Like I said before, it is borderline pathetic.  Endicott played one "tough" team this year, and lost (to WNEC).  WNEC...the same team that needed to score with under two minutes to go to beat the ECFC champion, Norwich.  Honestly...even at 9-1...what team did Endicott beat that is even remotely "impressive", considering they only beat two teams with an above .500 record (Framingham State and Salve)?  When you are hanging your hat, and body of work, on a 7 point win over Salve (who isn't a bad team, just not an overly impressive one)...your body of work is pretty terrible.  Especially when you look at these "Regional Rankings"...where it is pretty obvious that whoever is voting on this poll is looking at nothing more that overall wins and loses...and doing zero homework on who is playing who.

These conferences (NEFC and ECFC), with their utterly weak overall play and performance, are killing the East Region.  An additional problem that we are seeing right now is because of their (the NEFC and ECFC leagues) geographical location, they pretty much have to remain in the East Region (with the current 500 mile rule).  So now...unlike almost every NJAC, MAC, E8, or LL rep who could be shipped to the South Region (or even the North Region in some instances)...the East Region is stuck with these two stellar Pool A reps, and also get to avoid a #1 seed like MUC in the first round. 

Honestly...I think running up scores on teams in almost every case is in ridiculously poor taste...but if I were an NJAC, MAC, E8, or LL rep, I would be hard pressed to take my foot off the gas against any NEFC/ECFC team in the first round match-up in attempt to send a message to the NCAA that they need to do a better job of managing the tournament.

Like I said it was border line pathetic. You're funny.

Not sure what you are getting at here...I never said that you said it was pathetic.  I am saying that the regional poll that has Endicott above Fisher is pathetic.  And it is.

And you can ask anyone...I am the furthest thing from a St. John Fisher fan...

Listen Matt, you should stop bashing Endicott and the NEFC. It is offensive to people.

You think I am bashing them...but the truth is that the entire East Region wants...and needs...these two leagues to get better.

You know what is offensive?  The overall quality of the NEFC and the ECFC.  Get better...quickly...please...for the entire Region's sake.

[lewdogg11]

My hopes and dreams would be answered if Endicott plays Fisher in an ECAC game.

My guess is that it would go something like:

St. John Fisher - 63
Endicott - 21

But Endicott would score all 21 with 3 minutes remaining and then next year say 'We scored 21 on big bad St. John Fisher!'

[lewdogg11]

What is so offensive about saying the NEFC and ECFC aren't very good?  I am a LL fan and I can say, without hurting my own feelings, that the Liberty League is not very good and has not been good for a few years running. 

Hang on, i'll be back.  Need tissues.

[Yanks 99]

My hopes and dreams would be answered if Endicott plays Fisher in an ECAC game.

My guess is that it would go something like:

St. John Fisher - 63
Endicott - 21

But Endicott would score all 21 with 3 minutes remaining and then next year say 'We scored 21 on big bad St. John Fisher!'

Then they will come up with some excuse like they were too excited at the start of the game...or they had a long drive...or whatever else they could come up with...

[Frank Rossi]

You know what is offensive?  The overall quality of the NEFC and the ECFC.  Get better...quickly...please...for the entire Region's sake.

Actually, what's offensive is the overall scheduling practices of these conferences.  If they don't change their ways, they should just adopt the NESCAC standard of inter-scheduling and no playoff bids.  The Committee needs to begin to understand that rewarding fake SOS numbers (since inter-scheduling automatically helps to inflate SOS standings for many of these "strong" teams) is having a backward affect on teams' desires to schedule stronger teams in OOC scenarios.  There is no real reward to strong OOC scheduling under current scenarios if your conference schedule already contains 6 or 7 other strong teams.

[EDIT: I want to parse out Salve Regina from this discussion.  That team took some nice risks and performed reasonably in doing so.  However, the NEFC should not be able to just sit there and ride the coattails of one team that made the right decisions.  If Salve was in the clubhouse at 9-1, I'd be the first person out front to say they deserve a Pool C bid, if nothing else, to reward that scheduling.]

[Yanks 99]

Kind of like LD...I am an E8 fan...but you can check on the E8 board and see that very recently I went into detail on why this hasn't been a good year for the E8.  By Charles' logic, I should take offense to my own remarks about "bashing" the E8.  Looks like I owe myself an apology...

[Charles]

Kind of like LD...I am an E8 fan...but you can check on the E8 board and see that very recently I went into detail on why this hasn't been a good year for the E8.  By Charles' logic, I should take offense to my own remarks about "bashing" the E8.  Looks like I owe myself an apology...

Matt, you make me laugh.

[Yanks 99]

Kind of like LD...I am an E8 fan...but you can check on the E8 board and see that very recently I went into detail on why this hasn't been a good year for the E8.  By Charles' logic, I should take offense to my own remarks about "bashing" the E8.  Looks like I owe myself an apology...

Matt, you make me laugh.

That's good...I guess...good for you...