East Region Fan Poll

[Bombers798891]

Why don't you tell me why Hobart can hang with SJF and Wesley, but struggle in their conference?

For the same reason Ithaca can hang with Fisher and struggle, Jonny. (Although Hobart hardly struggled in Conference)

When you only look at one or two games, you can pretty much come to any conclusion you want. There's almost always going to be something that supports any conclusion you want to draw. That's why you have to, as best you can, look at the body of work for a team, or conference.

[Jonny Utah]

I don't think Hendel could complete 65% of his passes, because he has not shown me anything that would indicate that he could do that.  RPI did show me that they could in fact beat a good team. 

Factoring in RPIs last game only shows that they can still lose to crappy teams, but has no bearing on their ability to win big games, since they beat Hobart the week before in the second to last game of the season.  Hendel never threw 65% (I am assuming we are making up these numbers for Hendel), so I would have no basis to speculate whether or not Hendel could ever throw 65%.

You missed the part where Hendel had these numbers against Union.

18/26 = 69.23%

No I didn't even look.  I thought bombers was throwing out a number that Hendel did not have.  We can use 75% for this argument then.  Or if you want to use 65% that's fine too. But you wouldn't find me saying that he couldn't do it against other teams then.

So you would feel comfortable with me saying, "If Jason Hendel were Ithaca's starting QB next year, he would complete 70% of his passes" on the basis of that one game?

No but he has the ability to do it in one game against a team like Union.  I don't think I could say he has the ability to tear up great defenses though based on one game.  Just like I knew Juvan had the ability to pass the ball against any defense in the country because he tore up Mt. Union in a playoff game.  So in any given game, I would have faith that Juvan could beat any team on any given day, and I wouldn't be suprised if he could do it on a consistent basis.  I do not have that faith in Hendel and his completion percentage since he only did it once early in the season against an average team.

Show me where I said RPI could go 10-0 against every team?  Ever have that gut feeling that Ithaca is going to lose to SJF every year?  Why is that?  Because they haven't proved in recent history that they could do it.  SJF hasn't been the better team at the end of the season in the past 10 years, but they beat Ithaca every year, and there aren't any numbers which would tell you that they should beat Ithaca every year.

[Jonny Utah]

Why don't you tell me why Hobart can hang with SJF and Wesley, but struggle in their conference?

For the same reason Ithaca can hang with Fisher and struggle, Jonny. (Although Hobart hardly struggled in Conference)

When you only look at one or two games, you can pretty much come to any conclusion you want. There's almost always going to be something that supports any conclusion you want to draw. That's why you have to, as best you can, look at the body of work for a team, or conference.

That is why I said gut feeling.  It is the same gut feeling that you and I get when Ithaca plays SJF every year.  Or the same gut feeling I had in 2009 when I thought Ithaca was going to beat Alfred.  I had no numbers to back up my prediction that year, but I had a gut feeling Ithaca would win.  The greatest thing about football is the emotion and inner passion and strength and faith that people have before football games.  It is the story of the underdog.

So no, If you forced me to bet on d3 college games, I would make some bets that might not make sense to the numbers people, and I'm sure I would lose some money.  But in the end I think I would do alright.

[Bombers798891]

Why don't you tell me why Hobart can hang with SJF and Wesley, but struggle in their conference?

For the same reason Ithaca can hang with Fisher and struggle, Jonny. (Although Hobart hardly struggled in Conference)

When you only look at one or two games, you can pretty much come to any conclusion you want. There's almost always going to be something that supports any conclusion you want to draw. That's why you have to, as best you can, look at the body of work for a team, or conference.

That is why I said gut feeling.  It is the same gut feeling that you and I get when Ithaca plays SJF every year.  Or the same gut feeling I had in 2009 when I thought Ithaca was going to beat Alfred.  I had no numbers to back up my prediction that year, but I had a gut feeling Ithaca would win.  The greatest thing about football is the emotion and inner passion and strength and faith that people have before football games.  It is the story of the underdog.

So no, If you forced me to bet on d3 college games, I would make some bets that might not make sense to the numbers people, and I'm sure I would lose some money.  But in the end I think I would do alright.

Well, my Ithaca-Fisher skepticism isn't a gut feeling. It's backed up by lots and lots and lots of numbers.

Hey man, you want to use your gut, I say go ahead. That's cool. But I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Good debate though!

[lewdogg11]

Let's just get this out of the way....

Hobart should have been ranked in the Top 25, probably around 18-22.  This was computed by a scientific algorithm that is much too complicated for the tiny brains perusing this site, but have no fear, it is science.

[Bombers798891]

Let's just get this out of the way....

Hobart should have been ranked in the Top 25, probably around 18-22.  This was computed by a scientific algorithm that is much too complicated for the tiny brains perusing this site, but have no fear, it is science.

+K

[Upstate]

Let's just get this out of the way....

Hobart should have been ranked in the Top 25, probably around 18-22.  This was computed by a scientific algorithm that is much too complicated for the tiny brains perusing this site, but have no fear, it is science.

I'm surprised it took this long for science to be brought into the equation!

+K

[boobyhasgameyo]

Why don't you tell me why Hobart can hang with SJF and Wesley, but struggle in their conference?

For the same reason Ithaca can hang with Fisher and struggle, Jonny. (Although Hobart hardly struggled in Conference)

When you only look at one or two games, you can pretty much come to any conclusion you want. There's almost always going to be something that supports any conclusion you want to draw. That's why you have to, as best you can, look at the body of work for a team, or conference.

That is why I said gut feeling.  It is the same gut feeling that you and I get when Ithaca plays SJF every year.  Or the same gut feeling I had in 2009 when I thought Ithaca was going to beat Alfred.  I had no numbers to back up my prediction that year, but I had a gut feeling Ithaca would win.  The greatest thing about football is the emotion and inner passion and strength and faith that people have before football games.  It is the story of the underdog.

So no, If you forced me to bet on d3 college games, I would make some bets that might not make sense to the numbers people, and I'm sure I would lose some money.  But in the end I think I would do alright.

Mmmmm that still tastes good. 

[SJFF82]

wow...when is the last time we had a 6 page 'off-season' discussion?  Good thing Hobart got stiffed...

[Bombers798891]

wow...when is the last time we had a 6 page 'off-season' discussion?  Good thing Hobart got stiffed accurately rated

Fixed that for you

[SJFF82]

Merry Christmas to all....

it was a fun season...and my Karma went from -50 at season start to +27 (I guess I am less of a douche bag when the Cardinals win).....I would like to thank all my loyal supporters out there....

[fisheralum91]

Merry Christmas to all as well.
Great season!
Safe travels all!

[Cardinal Pride]

Merry Christmas!! 

I have learned alot about D3 football this season from some very intelligent people with a distinct passion for the game.

  Best Wishes to All !

[Knightstalker]

Merry Christmas!! 

I have learned alot about D3 football this season from some very intelligent people with a distinct passion for the game.

  Best Wishes to All !

What board have you been reading?   

Merry Christmas Everyone.

[kubiack78]

Let's just get this out of the way....

Hobart should have been ranked in the Top 25, probably around 18-22.  This was computed by a scientific algorithm that is much too complicated for the tiny brains perusing this site, but have no fear, it is science.

Well since I went to one of those "State institutions" it's a damn good thing that the team I follow hasn't dropped below # 2 in the past few years or I'd be screwed trying to figure out where they are ranked with my tiny brain.   

Hooray for Science