East Region Fan Poll

[AUKaz00]

how in my right mind can I think Salve could beat St. John Fisher or Kean just because they have 2 losses?  I think they would get buried. 

That's been my thought process as well these past few weeks.  I'd add both the Valleys to that list of teams that would bury Salve and there are probably another half dozen teams in the middle of the power East conferences that would be favored.

[lewdogg11]

how in my right mind can I think Salve could beat St. John Fisher or Kean just because they have 2 losses?  I think they would get buried. 

That's been my thought process as well these past few weeks.  I'd add both the Valleys to that list of teams that would bury Salve and there are probably another half dozen teams in the middle of the power East conferences that would be favored.

Yeah agreed.  But before this past week, i seemed to have 'more room' for Salve in the poll.  But now that the parity is apparent, I just don't have room anymore.  fullbakdad is gonna be pissed.

[AUKaz00]

how in my right mind can I think Salve could beat St. John Fisher or Kean just because they have 2 losses?  I think they would get buried. 

That's been my thought process as well these past few weeks.  I'd add both the Valleys to that list of teams that would bury Salve and there are probably another half dozen teams in the middle of the power East conferences that would be favored.

Yeah agreed.  But before this past week, i seemed to have 'more room' for Salve in the poll.  But now that the parity is apparent, I just don't have room anymore.  fullbakdad is gonna be pissed.

Well, room may open up after this week where 8 of the ERFP top 10 face off!

[AUKaz00]

Week 7 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Salisbury( 4 )	5-1	49	1	VS. #6 Alfred
2   Hobart( 1 )	6-0	45	2	at #9 RPI
3   Widener	6-0	39	3	at #7 Lycoming
4   Rowan	5-1	36	5	at #5 Cortland
5   Cortland State	5-1	27	6	vs. #4 Rowan
6   Alfred	4-1	23	10	at #1 Salisbury
7   Lycoming	5-1	21	7	vs. #3 Widener
8   St. John Fisher	4-2	12	4	vs. Ithaca
9   RPI	5-1	10	NR	vs. #2 Hobart
10  Delaware Valley	5-2	7	9	vs. Misericordia

Also Receiving votes:               
Kean 3
Salve Regina 2
Lebanon Valley 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Salisbury (1,1,1,1,2)
Hobart (2,2,2,3,1)
Widener (3,3,5,2,3)
Rowan (4,4,3,4,4)
Cortland State (6,5,4,7,6)
Alfred (7,8,6,6,5)
Lycoming(5,6,7,5,NR)
St. John Fisher (10,9,8,9,7)
RPI (8,7,NR,NR,8)
Delaware Valley (NR,NR,9,8,9)
Kean (9,NR,NR,NR,10)
Salve Regina (NR,10,10,NR,NR)
Lebanon Valley (NR,NR,NR,10,NR)


Key Matchups:
#6 Alfred at #1 Salisbury
#2 Hobart at #9 RPI
#3 Widener at #7 Lycoming
#4 Rowan at #5 Cortland State

[pg04]

how in my right mind can I think Salve could beat St. John Fisher or Kean just because they have 2 losses?  I think they would get buried. 

That's been my thought process as well these past few weeks.  I'd add both the Valleys to that list of teams that would bury Salve and there are probably another half dozen teams in the middle of the power East conferences that would be favored.

Yeah agreed.  But before this past week, i seemed to have 'more room' for Salve in the poll.  But now that the parity is apparent, I just don't have room anymore.  fullbakdad is gonna be pissed.

Damn you, you board elite.

[lewdogg11]

How can Widener beat Wilkes by 90 and Lebanon Valley only beat them by 8?  Did they kneel on the ball every down after the 1st quarter as a show of good sportsmanship?

[bman]

How can Widener beat Wilkes by 90 and Lebanon Valley only beat them by 8?  Did they kneel on the ball every down after the 1st quarter as a show of good sportsmanship?

They are Dutchmen...by nature they fight the idea of anything other than a tie...to win by large margins would be offensive...

[wesleydad]

this weeks schedule would make a nice first round of the east playoffs.

Key Matchups:
#6 Alfred at #1 Salisbury
#2 Hobart at #9 RPI
#3 Widener at #7 Lycoming
#4 Rowan at #5 Cortland State

2,3, and 4 going on the road against strong opponents.  the lycoming/widener game is interesting to me.  will lyco's d shut down widener's o.  i have not seen rowan since week one but they seem to have proven that the win against del val was not a fluke.  rivalry between hobart/rpi is always a good one from what i hear.  i am heading to salisbury since it is the shortest ride to a good game for me this week.  i will take the gulls in a close one, hobart making a statement, lyco playing tough d for the win, and rowan keeps rolling.

[ITH radio]

Hobart and RPI have played within 4 points or less of each other four out of the last five years (one exception was a 10-0 shutout Hermann's FY in Geneva).  Top passing O vs. the top passing D in the LL....something's gotta give.

[AUKaz00]

Week 8 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Salisbury( 3 )	6-1	48	1	at Ithaca
2   Hobart( 2 )	7-0	47	2	vs. Union
3   Widener	7-0	40	3	vs. Albright
4   Cortland State	6-1	34	5	at #10 Kean
5   Rowan	5-2	29	4	vs. Morrisville State
6   Alfred	4-2	25	6	at Utica
7   Lycoming	5-2	18	7	at Wilkes
8   St. John Fisher	5-2	12	8	at Frostburg State
9   Delaware Valley	6-2	8	10	at Lebanon Valley
10  Kean	5-2	6	NR	vs. #4 Cortland State

Also Receiving votes:               
RPI 5
Lebanon Valley 3
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Salisbury (1,1,2,2,1)
Hobart (2,2,1,1,2)
Widener (3,3,3,3,3)
Cortland State (4,4,5,4,4)
Rowan (5,5,6,5,5)
Alfred (7,6,4,6,7)
Lycoming(9,7,7,8,6)
St. John Fisher (8,8,NR,7,9)
Delaware Valley (NR,9,8,9,10)
Kean (10,NR,10,10,8)
RPI (6,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Lebanon Valley (NR,10,9,NR,NR)


Key Matchups:
#4 Cortland State at #10 Kean

[lewdogg11]

Who in the hell still has RPI at 6???

[Yanks 99]

Who in the hell still has RPI at 6???

It's me...I struggled with that one...but looking at my ERFP from last week...and with a lot of similar teams losing to the higher ranking teams in the East...I had a tough time NOT listing them there.  RPI (my #6) has the same record as Alfred (my #7) and beat them H2H...so I had a hard time ranking them behind Alfred.  Alfred (my #7) has the same record as Fisher (my #8) and beat them head to head.  Then it was a toss up between Lycoming, Kean, and Del Valley for the final two spots.  I left Del Valley out because their 5 wins are against the bottom feeders (with the exception of Albright) with a combined record of 8-27.

My top five is the same as everyone else.  Besides...if RPI wins out...and it should...they will be a very respectable 8-2, with a quality win over a good Alfred team, and losses against Hobart (no shame in losing to the #11 team in the country) and MMA (who if they beat Union and SLU would finish the year 6-4).

[SUADC]

Who in the hell still has RPI at 6???

It's me...I struggled with that one...but looking at my ERFP from last week...and with a lot of similar teams losing to the higher ranking teams in the East...I had a tough time NOT listing them there.  RPI (my #6) has the same record as Alfred (my #7) and beat them H2H...so I had a hard time ranking them ahead of Alfred.  Alfred (my #7) has the same record as Fisher (my #8) and beat them head to head.  Then it was a toss up between Lycoming, Kean, and Del Valley for the final two spots.  I left Del Valley out because their 5 wins are against the bottom feeders (with the exception of Albright) with a combined record of 8-27.

My top five is the same as everyone else.  Besides...if RPI wins out...and it should...they will be a very respectable 8-2, with a quality win over a good Alfred team, and losses against Hobart (no shame in losing to the #11 team in the country) and MMA (who if they beat Union and SLU would finish the year 6-4).

Great breakdown, I was looking at it that way as well. I think that RPI losing to Hobart the way they did at home and the loss to MMA @ MMA, is the reason why not many voters consider them to be top 10 in the east, but as you indicated they won a head to head against Alfred who fought tough against Salisbury @ Salisbury and beat SJF & Growney Stadium.

Also, it appears that Hobart is getting the respect they deserve, they have two first place votes and are now Top 10 in D3 polls. Hopefully, they can win out.

[lewdogg11]

Who in the hell still has RPI at 6???

It's me...I struggled with that one...but looking at my ERFP from last week...and with a lot of similar teams losing to the higher ranking teams in the East...I had a tough time NOT listing them there.  RPI (my #6) has the same record as Alfred (my #7) and beat them H2H...so I had a hard time ranking them behind Alfred.  Alfred (my #7) has the same record as Fisher (my #8) and beat them head to head.  Then it was a toss up between Lycoming, Kean, and Del Valley for the final two spots.  I left Del Valley out because their 5 wins are against the bottom feeders (with the exception of Albright) with a combined record of 8-27.

My top five is the same as everyone else.  Besides...if RPI wins out...and it should...they will be a very respectable 8-2, with a quality win over a good Alfred team, and losses against Hobart (no shame in losing to the #11 team in the country) and MMA (who if they beat Union and SLU would finish the year 6-4).

I just think at this point, you're probably putting WAY too much weight on the RPI/Alfred game.  It was the first game of the year and I think  that has to play into this at some point too.  If RPI just lost to Hobart like they did this week, i'd feel differently, but the loss to MMA shows me that they are not quite top 10 calibur.  I'd probably be ok with a 9 or 10, but 6 just seems way too high for me.

[Yanks 99]

Who in the hell still has RPI at 6???

It's me...I struggled with that one...but looking at my ERFP from last week...and with a lot of similar teams losing to the higher ranking teams in the East...I had a tough time NOT listing them there.  RPI (my #6) has the same record as Alfred (my #7) and beat them H2H...so I had a hard time ranking them behind Alfred.  Alfred (my #7) has the same record as Fisher (my #8) and beat them head to head.  Then it was a toss up between Lycoming, Kean, and Del Valley for the final two spots.  I left Del Valley out because their 5 wins are against the bottom feeders (with the exception of Albright) with a combined record of 8-27.

My top five is the same as everyone else.  Besides...if RPI wins out...and it should...they will be a very respectable 8-2, with a quality win over a good Alfred team, and losses against Hobart (no shame in losing to the #11 team in the country) and MMA (who if they beat Union and SLU would finish the year 6-4).

I just think at this point, you're probably putting WAY too much weight on the RPI/Alfred game.  It was the first game of the year and I think  that has to play into this at some point too.  If RPI just lost to Hobart like they did this week, i'd feel differently, but the loss to MMA shows me that they are not quite top 10 calibur.  I'd probably be ok with a 9 or 10, but 6 just seems way too high for me.

I can't totally disagree...just trying to stay marginally consistent here.  In any event, I think it will probably work itself out.  If RPI wins its last two games and finishes 8-2...that is pretty respectable.  Neither RPI, Fisher, Alfred play anyone the rest of the way that would be a "significant" win, and would allow them to move up in the polls based on a single game.  Kean and a bunch of the MAC schools do...so it will be interesting to see how that plays out.  I just think this is one of those years where we could be looking at #6 - #10 and say "they all look about the same to me...solid...but with flaws" and with at least one "bad" loss (outside of the top teams in their league in Salisbury and Hobart) that will probably cost them consideration for a Pool C bid (RPI to MMA, Fisher to Alfred, Alfred to RPI)...