East Region Fan Poll

[wesleydad]

Week 5 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Hobart( 4 )	5-0	48	2	vs. Springfield
2   Ithaca	4-0	42	3	vs. #7 Buffalo State
3   St. John Fisher( 1 )	3-1	40	1	vs. Hartwick
4   Widener	5-0	36	4	Open
5   Lycoming	5-0	34	5	at #6 Delaware Valley
6   Delaware Valley	4-0	23	6	vs. #5 Lycoming
7   Buffalo State	4-1	16	9	at #2 Ithaca
8   Rowan	2-2	13	10	vs. William Paterson
9   Salisbury	2-2	8	NR	vs. Utica
10  RPI	4-1	7	NR	vs. Saint Lawrence

Dropped Out:
Alfred
Utica


Also Receiving votes:               
Utica 4
Framingham State 3
Alfred 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Hobart (1,3,1,1,1)
Ithaca (5,2,2,2,2)
St. John Fisher (2,1,3,5,4)
Widener (3,5,5,3,3)
Lycoming (4,4,4,4,5)
Delaware Valley (7,6,7,6,6)
Buffalo State (NR,7,6,7,8)
Rowan (6,NR,10,8,7)
Salisbury (NR,8,9,10,9)
RPI (9,9,8,NR,NR)
Utica (8,10,NR,NR,NR)
Framingham State (10,NR,NR,9,NR)
Alfred (NR,NR,NR,NR,10)


Key Matchups:
#7 Buffalo State at #2 Ithaca
#5 Lycoming at #6 Delaware Valley

Have to ask, How can fisher still receive a first place vote?  They lost to a sub 500 team at the time.  I get the fact that you might THINK they are better than everyone else, but the results don't back up the thinking.  I know it is just a poll, but shouldn't it at least reflect actual outcomes.  I take part in the South Region Fan Poll, so I like to see what the other regions are voting like.

[ExTartanPlayer]

Have to ask, How can fisher still receive a first place vote?  They lost to a sub 500 team at the time.  I get the fact that you might THINK they are better than everyone else, but the results don't back up the thinking.  I know it is just a poll, but shouldn't it at least reflect actual outcomes.  I take part in the South Region Fan Poll, so I like to see what the other regions are voting like.

Check out the NRFP's recent discussion and also the Top 25 fan poll's discussion for some thoughts on this.  I happen to agree with you, FTR.

[jknezek]

Have to ask, How can fisher still receive a first place vote?  They lost to a sub 500 team at the time.  I get the fact that you might THINK they are better than everyone else, but the results don't back up the thinking.  I know it is just a poll, but shouldn't it at least reflect actual outcomes.  I take part in the South Region Fan Poll, so I like to see what the other regions are voting like.

Check out the NRFP's recent discussion and also the Top 25 fan poll's discussion for some thoughts on this.  I happen to agree with you, FTR.

ExTP -- I don't usually disagree with you, but I do here. This is completely different than the NRFP situation because we aren't dealing with common opponents or even a H2H. I wonder if what we have here is a voter who sees SJF lost to Salisbury and simply doesn't care because SJF always loses to Salisbury. And, despite losing to Salisbury, a couple of years it still worked out pretty good for SJF. That's different than ignoring a H2H. Won't say if it is better or worse, just different than the NRFP discussion...

[ITH radio]

I think it's interesting they put HOB third. The Statesmen are hard to read, eventhough their record since 2011 is pretty compelling. Curious to see how things go vs. SC this wkd who seem to have a better team than the last two years.

[wesleydad]

Have to ask, How can fisher still receive a first place vote?  They lost to a sub 500 team at the time.  I get the fact that you might THINK they are better than everyone else, but the results don't back up the thinking.  I know it is just a poll, but shouldn't it at least reflect actual outcomes.  I take part in the South Region Fan Poll, so I like to see what the other regions are voting like.

Check out the NRFP's recent discussion and also the Top 25 fan poll's discussion for some thoughts on this.  I happen to agree with you, FTR.

ExTP -- I don't usually disagree with you, but I do here. This is completely different than the NRFP situation because we aren't dealing with common opponents or even a H2H. I wonder if what we have here is a voter who sees SJF lost to Salisbury and simply doesn't care because SJF always loses to Salisbury. And, despite losing to Salisbury, a couple of years it still worked out pretty good for SJF. That's different than ignoring a H2H. Won't say if it is better or worse, just different than the NRFP discussion...

JK, I just don't get how you can just toss a loss because they always lose to them.  They lost and that has to mean something.  I just think the vote losses some credibility.  It looks homerish to me.  I dropped Thomas More out of the top 10 in the South because they have 2 losses.  Do I think they may be still in the top 10, yes, but with 2 losses and others undefeated I have to make a change in my opinion and in the end that is all these polls are.  Does make for fun discussion though.

[jknezek]

JK, I just don't get how you can just toss a loss because they always lose to them.  They lost and that has to mean something.  I just think the vote losses some credibility.  It looks homerish to me.  I dropped Thomas More out of the top 10 in the South because they have 2 losses.  Do I think they may be still in the top 10, yes, but with 2 losses and others undefeated I have to make a change in my opinion and in the end that is all these polls are.  Does make for fun discussion though.

Oh I don't agree with it. I just think that might have been the logic. I also dropped TMC out of my South poll because the two losses weren't very close. And what else are the polls good for except some fun discussion?

[dlippiel]

Week 5 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Hobart( 4 )	5-0	48	2	vs. Springfield
2   Ithaca	4-0	42	3	vs. #7 Buffalo State
3   St. John Fisher( 1 )	3-1	40	1	vs. Hartwick
4   Widener	5-0	36	4	Open
5   Lycoming	5-0	34	5	at #6 Delaware Valley
6   Delaware Valley	4-0	23	6	vs. #5 Lycoming
7   Buffalo State	4-1	16	9	at #2 Ithaca
8   Rowan	2-2	13	10	vs. William Paterson
9   Salisbury	2-2	8	NR	vs. Utica
10  RPI	4-1	7	NR	vs. Saint Lawrence

Dropped Out:
Alfred
Utica


Also Receiving votes:               
Utica 4
Framingham State 3
Alfred 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Hobart (1,3,1,1,1)
Ithaca (5,2,2,2,2)
St. John Fisher (2,1,3,5,4)
Widener (3,5,5,3,3)
Lycoming (4,4,4,4,5)
Delaware Valley (7,6,7,6,6)
Buffalo State (NR,7,6,7,8)
Rowan (6,NR,10,8,7)
Salisbury (NR,8,9,10,9)
RPI (9,9,8,NR,NR)
Utica (8,10,NR,NR,NR)
Framingham State (10,NR,NR,9,NR)
Alfred (NR,NR,NR,NR,10)


Key Matchups:
#7 Buffalo State at #2 Ithaca
#5 Lycoming at #6 Delaware Valley

Have to ask, How can fisher still receive a first place vote?  They lost to a sub 500 team at the time.  I get the fact that you might THINK they are better than everyone else, but the results don't back up the thinking.  I know it is just a poll, but shouldn't it at least reflect actual outcomes.  I take part in the South Region Fan Poll, so I like to see what the other regions are voting like.

Dlip still has SJF at number #1 because he believes they still are the BEST team in the region. Their 1 loss was to a triple option offense that always gives them fits in the likes of Salisbury. When it comes to most teams in the middle of the pack Dlip concurs that there needs to be "solid" evidence that backs up a feeling. Well Dlip can tell you this. SJF IS BETTER than Hobart who they embarrassed last year in the playoffs. There is NO question this Hobart team is NOT as good as last years team an many believe this Fisher team is BETTER than they were last season. So if you would like to sit back and say "well I know they are probably better but the W's vs L's say they are not that's cool. Dlip knows they are better and has the balls to keep them where Dlip really believes they should be. Who would else would defeat them? Dlip would bet his mortgage that they would defeat the aforementioned Hobart, Lycoming, Widener, and Ithaca. Who will be there at the end? They lose another game and we'll talk.

[lewdogg11]

I agree that Fisher shouldn't be 1 right now.  Fisher may very well end the season at 1 on this poll, but you really can't put them at 1 after this past week.  They deserved to be dropped to at least 2 or 3.  In a few weeks if they do their business in convincing fashion, have at it.  It's a week to week poll.  Kinda similar but opposite of 3 SEC teams in the top 4 in D1.  You know it's impossible for all of them to be there at the end of the year, but as of this week, you have to rank them as they sit right now.

[wesleydad]

Week 5 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Hobart( 4 )	5-0	48	2	vs. Springfield
2   Ithaca	4-0	42	3	vs. #7 Buffalo State
3   St. John Fisher( 1 )	3-1	40	1	vs. Hartwick
4   Widener	5-0	36	4	Open
5   Lycoming	5-0	34	5	at #6 Delaware Valley
6   Delaware Valley	4-0	23	6	vs. #5 Lycoming
7   Buffalo State	4-1	16	9	at #2 Ithaca
8   Rowan	2-2	13	10	vs. William Paterson
9   Salisbury	2-2	8	NR	vs. Utica
10  RPI	4-1	7	NR	vs. Saint Lawrence

Dropped Out:
Alfred
Utica


Also Receiving votes:               
Utica 4
Framingham State 3
Alfred 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Hobart (1,3,1,1,1)
Ithaca (5,2,2,2,2)
St. John Fisher (2,1,3,5,4)
Widener (3,5,5,3,3)
Lycoming (4,4,4,4,5)
Delaware Valley (7,6,7,6,6)
Buffalo State (NR,7,6,7,8)
Rowan (6,NR,10,8,7)
Salisbury (NR,8,9,10,9)
RPI (9,9,8,NR,NR)
Utica (8,10,NR,NR,NR)
Framingham State (10,NR,NR,9,NR)
Alfred (NR,NR,NR,NR,10)


Key Matchups:
#7 Buffalo State at #2 Ithaca
#5 Lycoming at #6 Delaware Valley

Have to ask, How can fisher still receive a first place vote?  They lost to a sub 500 team at the time.  I get the fact that you might THINK they are better than everyone else, but the results don't back up the thinking.  I know it is just a poll, but shouldn't it at least reflect actual outcomes.  I take part in the South Region Fan Poll, so I like to see what the other regions are voting like.

Dlip still has SJF at number #1 because he believes they still are the BEST team in the region. Their 1 loss was to a triple option offense that always gives them fits in the likes of Salisbury. When it comes to most teams in the middle of the pack Dlip concurs that there needs to be "solid" evidence that backs up a feeling. Well Dlip can tell you this. SJF IS BETTER than Hobart who they embarrassed last year in the playoffs. There is NO question this Hobart team is NOT as good as last years team an many believe this Fisher team is BETTER than they were last season. So if you would like to sit back and say "well I know they are probably better but the W's vs L's say they are not that's cool. Dlip knows they are better and has the balls to keep them where Dlip really believes they should be. Who would else would defeat them? Dlip would bet his mortgage that they would defeat the aforementioned Hobart, Lycoming, Widener, and Ithaca. Who will be there at the end? They lose another game and we'll talk.

Dlip, always like your fire and beliefs, but if that is the thinking then shouldn't Salisbury be #1 since they beat the team that you think is the best.  I don't disagree with you that there is a good possibility that Fisher could beat all those teams mentioned if they play them, but the loss to the Gulls is not good when the Gulls lost to Buff St last week.  Great thing is is that Fisher has the chance to run the table and get in the playoffs and likely play someone above them in the national rankings like last year and prove you right.  +1

[dlippiel]

Dlip gets what you guys are saying, really he does. He guesses he just looks at this loss to Salisbury as a ****-up and a ****-up that doesn't do enough to make me put them behind Hobart. Honestly though he does get everyone's point and will look to take this experience into consideration in the future. Dlip did reward the Gulls for the win by entering them into his poll but just firmly believes, even with the loss, SJF is the best team in the East Region right now. Definitely great comments fellas and wesleydad you know Dlip really respects your knowledge and what you bring to the table! +k as well

[lewdogg11]

Dlip gets what you guys are saying, really he does. He guesses he just looks at this loss to Salisbury as a ****-up and a ****-up that doesn't do enough to make me put them behind Hobart. Honestly though he does get everyone's point and will look to take this experience into consideration in the future. Dlip did reward the Gulls for the win by entering them into his poll but just firmly believes, even with the loss, SJF is the best team in the East Region right now. Definitely great comments fellas and wesleydad you know Dlip really respects your knowledge and what you bring to the table! +k as well

To your point about Salisbury being in the poll, I'm down to only entertaining 13 teams the rest of the year, and that will likely move to 11-12 in the next few weeks.  After that, i'll be shuffling the same teams around the rest of the year.  There are a few conferences that will not get a team on my radar unless they win a post season game against a decent team.  Just not gonna happen until then.

[ITH radio]

Maybe Fisher would beat Hobart if they played tmw, but we don't know if the Statesmen are better or worse until they play some tougher teams / games. In 2011 HOB kicked their ass after they embarassed the Statesmen in 2010, so I don't think one can downplay the 2013 revenge factor for Fisher in last year's game.

In some ways I think this year's squad may be better in certain areas than last year's version. Losing Webb is tough but the corp of RBs they are using all look good and have different strengths that make it harder to game plan for opposing DC's b/c they don't know who's coming in on each play whereas last year, if you could stop Webb, that was it.

Also in the wings are kids like Shed and Pfohl who are big, MIAC sized WRs. Shed could really take Hobart to a whole other level.

Defense looks solid, if not better against the run than last year. Time will tell.

[@d3jason]

When will they schedule some tougher non conference team? Seems like Hobart has been living off we played Wesley tough and crushed SJF for three years now. Salisbury, with an exception of this season, always plays Wesley tough and beats SJF. Hobart probably wins a 1st round game against a New England school and gets beat in the 2nd round

Rowan is the same as last year. If you can stop the run, they're in trouble. The QB isn't able to get the ball to some decent receivers enough. I like their defense.

I think Widener may be emerging again. The QB has another year under belt and they have the best receiver in the East. The run game and D look like they've improved since last season too.

Don't know what to make of Lyco. Can't get watching Brockport dominate them two years ago out of my head. Another team that needs to schedule a tough non conference game. Would love to see them play Del Val this week. Big test for them.

[rams1102]

OK Guys,

Let's take a realistic look at the East. If the season would end today ther is no team that could host a bracket. The (4) would be UWW, MTU, MHB and Wesley. This is coming from a Montclair homer. I firmly believe that there is no current team in the East that could beat those (4). This is not a knock on the East, but reality is what it is. I also question RPI at #10 and not Alfred. I think Alfred beat them and I was the only one who voted for Alfred?

[lewdogg11]

OK Guys,

Let's take a realistic look at the East. If the season would end today ther is no team that could host a bracket. The (4) would be UWW, MTU, MHB and Wesley. This is coming from a Montclair homer. I firmly believe that there is no current team in the East that could beat those (4). This is not a knock on the East, but reality is what it is. I also question RPI at #10 and not Alfred. I think Alfred beat them and I was the only one who voted for Alfred?

Your argument on Alfred held up until they lost to Hartwick. The Ithaca loss didn't hurt them but Hartwick loss is bad.  The RPI game could have gone either way.