East Region Fan Poll

[bman]

If you look over on the MAC board, I asked this question regarding Del Val and Widener (albeit related to the top 25 ranking) last week.  There are a couple pertinent responses there...

[ITH radio]

Read that and think that may be the case. Still based on how the regional committees tend to look at resumes, my guess is they will value the MSU win > ROW one. Obviously if Widener does beat DVC in Wk 11 to win the MAC and AQ they'd be viewed as a potential 1-3 east rep pending how the rest of the region pans out. In the initial run, my guess is they "stick to the script", but we'll see on 11/5.

[Bombers798891]

I wasnt making a case for Fisher.
I was stating that Del Vals body of work isnt worthy of a number 2.
I agree with your statement re Fisher....I just find it hard to believe that Del Val is a no2.

So who is the #2? If Del Valley's unworthy, who are you putting ahead of them?

You've said it isn't Fisher. Okay, so who is it?

Montclair lost the H2H to Del Valley. Widener's 7-0, but Del Valley's win over Montclair is better than Widener's win over Rowan, and there's very little distinguishing them in conference. Framingham is 6-1, but they lost to Rowan.

I've got Fisher #1 in my personal rankings, with Hobart and Del Valley close on their tails.

To me, it all depends how you construct your personal rankings.  Is it a ranking of how the teams have performed in all their games thus far? Or is it a ranking of "If these two teams played next week, who do I think would win"? I choose the latter, and always have. It's why I think a 2003 Ithaca team that nearly went to the national semifinals ranks behind a 2004 Ithaca team that missed the playoffs. The 2003 squad had a better season, but the 2004 squad was a better team.

Look, we can't erase the Salisbury game. But because I focus on how good I think the team is and not how good their season has gone, I think there is something to be said for the fact that a defensive performance against a TO team is pretty irrelevant piece of information.

I don't think Fisher's had the best season so far. But I think Fisher is the best, most complete team in the East, and to me, that is a designation based on their body of work

[D3MAFAN]

I have Widener ahead of them because as I mentioned in my past post, I feel they have the better Defense. However, without my subjectivity, they would be #2.

[jmcozenlaw]

Come playoff seeding time, none of this is really going to matter. Win one game before you get whacked by Mount Union or Wesley...............or maybe win a second game, before travelling to Ohio or Delaware to get whacked. DelVal is not the second best team............but they will and should be #2 in the first rankings, should they beat Kings, next week.

Nobody in the "pure East" has a prayer if we are being honest here so this is all fun, but quite meaningless come time to take the trip to Alliance or Dover in a few weeks.

Somebody from MU made an interesting proposal for a bet and I am thinking about it, and will probably decline.

If Mount Union is the #1 seed in the East, my buddy is offering me MU's first three playoff opponents +100 points combined vs. MU.

If MU wins the first round by 40, second round by 30 and third round by 25...............I'm in the money.

Would anybody take the 100 points vs. MU?

[ExTartanPlayer]

If Mount Union is the #1 seed in the East, my buddy is offering me MU's first three playoff opponents +100 points combined vs. MU.

This has been covered elsewhere, so apologies for those who have read this before, but the playoff brackets really are not constructed regionally any more and haven't been for several years.  There is no "Mount Union is the #1 seed in the East" because the brackets don't really have an "East" region, nor any other region.  Mount might be the #1 seed in a bracket that has 4 or 5 "East" teams in it but that doesn't make it "the East region" by any stretch.  Copying and pasting something from wally_wabash elsewhere, this is the bracket breakdown over the last few years.

2013:
Quad1-  3E, 2N, 3S
Quad2- 4N, 4W
Quad3- 1N, 3S, 4W
Quad4- 5E, 1N, 1S, 1W

2012:
Quad1-  2N, 6W
Quad2- 1E, 3N, 1S, 3W
Quad3- 3E, 2N, 3S
Quad4- 4E, 1N, 3S

2011:
Quad1-  3E, 2N, 2S, 1W
Quad2- 3E, 1N, 1S, 3W
Quad3- 1E, 4S, 3W
Quad4- 4N, 2S, 2W

[wally_wabash]

If Mount Union is the #1 seed in the East, my buddy is offering me MU's first three playoff opponents +100 points combined vs. MU.

[jmcozenlaw]

ExTartanPlayer - Let me rephrase................would you take 100 points and the total scores of Mount Union's first three opponents against Mount Union? I'm leaning no:)

[ExTartanPlayer]

ExTartanPlayer - Let me rephrase................would you take 100 points and the total scores of Mount Union's first three opponents against Mount Union? I'm leaning no:)

Oh, I'm totally with you on this.  Just clarifying the "Mount #1 seed in the East" thing because it's become a self-perpetuating myth that isn't really true.

[MasterJedi]

If Mount Union is the #1 seed in the East, my buddy is offering me MU's first three playoff opponents +100 points combined vs. MU.

You my good sir, win the internet today with that gif. +k! 

[boobyhasgameyo]

Come playoff seeding time, none of this is really going to matter. Win one game before you get whacked by Mount Union or Wesley...............or maybe win a second game, before travelling to Ohio or Delaware to get whacked. DelVal is not the second best team............but they will and should be #2 in the first rankings, should they beat Kings, next week.

Nobody in the "pure East" has a prayer if we are being honest here so this is all fun, but quite meaningless come time to take the trip to Alliance or Dover in a few weeks.

Somebody from MU made an interesting proposal for a bet and I am thinking about it, and will probably decline.

If Mount Union is the #1 seed in the East, my buddy is offering me MU's first three playoff opponents +100 points combined vs. MU.

If MU wins the first round by 40, second round by 30 and third round by 25...............I'm in the money.

Would anybody take the 100 points vs. MU?

Promise you that this year's Fisher team is no slouch.  They have a shot against anybody.  And I'm not an unabashed homer that will always say that.  If I think Fisher has a low ceiling I'll state as much.  If last year's team was able to be within one score of MHB with a half quarter remaining in the game before the wheels came off, then this team which looks better in every facet, can certainly do damage against anyone. 

[AUKaz00]

Week 8 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Hobart( 5 )	7-0	50	1	vs. Union
2   St. John Fisher	6-1	43	2	vs. #10t Buffalo State
3   Widener	7-0	41	3	vs. Stephenson
4   Delaware Valley	7-0	36	4	at King's
5   Montclair State	6-1	26	NR	at Cortland State
6   St. Lawrence	6-1	24	9	at WPI
7   Lycoming	5-2	15	6t	at Misericordia
8   Ithaca	5-2	13	NR	at Brockport State
9   Framingham State	6-1	10	10	at Massachusetts Maritime
10t Buffalo State	5-2	5	5	at #2 St. John Fisher
10t Rowan	4-3	5	6t	vs. Southern Virginia

Dropped Out:
Salisbury


Also Receiving votes:               
Utica 3
Brockport 2
MIT 2
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Hobart (1,1,1,1,1)
St. John Fisher (3,3,2,2,2)
Widener (2,2,3,3,4)
Delaware Valley (4,4,4,4,3)
Montclair State (5,8,5,5,6)
St. Lawrence (6,7,6,7,5)
Lycoming (NR,6,8,6,9)
Ithaca (10,5,9,NR,7)
Framingham State (8,9,7,10,NR)
Buffalo State (NR,NR,NR,9,8)
Rowan (7,NR,10,NR,NR)
Utica (NR,NR,NR,8,NR)
Brockport State (NR,10,NR,NR,10)
MIT (9,NR,NR,NR,NR)


Key Matchups:
#10t Buffalo State at #2 St. John Fisher

[Saxon73]

With all the strange outcomes this year, Buff St vs. Utica could be a key matchup.  Bengals beware.

This week perhaps, the Bombers should beware of Brockport. 

[Bartman]

Come playoff seeding time, none of this is really going to matter. Win one game before you get whacked by Mount Union or Wesley...............or maybe win a second game, before travelling to Ohio or Delaware to get whacked. DelVal is not the second best team............but they will and should be #2 in the first rankings, should they beat Kings, next week.

Nobody in the "pure East" has a prayer if we are being honest here so this is all fun, but quite meaningless come time to take the trip to Alliance or Dover in a few weeks.

Somebody from MU made an interesting proposal for a bet and I am thinking about it, and will probably decline.

If Mount Union is the #1 seed in the East, my buddy is offering me MU's first three playoff opponents +100 points combined vs. MU.

If MU wins the first round by 40, second round by 30 and third round by 25...............I'm in the money.

Would anybody take the 100 points vs. MU?

Agree the East has no real shot against MU, and looking at the "pure east " in the playoffs since 2007 against MU that bet of taking 100 pts. looks good for MU fans. The average margin of victory since 2007 is 40 points with a spread range from 24 to 55. Not since Fisher in 2006 did an East team finish with one score, 26-14. With those stats I would want a few more points..... or lots of snow 

[jmcozenlaw]

Thanks Bartman, the question was a bit obtuse for wally_wabash and MasterJedi

I am taking a pass on the bet. I need something a little more than the inevitable meeting between THE BIG FOUR

For other's, not even attached to either institution, another MU vs. UW-W meeting is somehow captivating