East Region Fan Poll

[Bartman]

East region top 10 takes a beating again.  3 teams go down.  Just going to be crazy each week if the first 2 weeks are any indication.

The Gap between Wesley and the rest of the teams in this poll is "Donald Trump Huge" at this point of the season.

[jknezek]

East region top 10 takes a beating again.  3 teams go down.  Just going to be crazy each week if the first 2 weeks are any indication.

The Gap between Wesley and the rest of the teams in this poll is "Donald Trump Huge" at this point of the season.

Yeah, but there's good reason for Wesley to be out ahead!

[AUKaz00]

Week 2 Fan Poll

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Wesley ( 7 )	1-0	70	1	vs. Christopher Newport
2   Hobart	2-0	60	2	at #4 Ithaca
3   Rowan	1-0	58	3	at William Paterson
4   Ithaca	1-0	47	5	vs. #2 Hobart
5t  Cortland State	2-0	30	NR	at St. John Fisher
5t  Stevenson	2-0	30	NR	at Lebanon Valley
7   Widener	1-1	26	7	at Albright
8   Morrisville State	1-0	18	8t	at Utica
9   Buffalo State	1-0	17	8t	at #10 Alfred
10  Alfred	2-0	7	NR	vs. #9 Buffalo State

Also Receiving votes:               
Christopher Newport 5
Brockport State 4
St. Lawrence 3
Wilkes 3
Montclair State 2
Delaware Valley 1
Fitchburg State 1
Framingham State 1
Husson 1
WPI 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Wesley (1,1,1,1,1,1,1)
Hobart (3,2,2,2,2,4,2)
Rowan (2,3,3,3,3,2,3)
Ithaca (4,4,7,4,4,3,4)
Cortland State (7,7,10,5,8,5,5)
Stevenson (8,9,5,6,6,6,7)
Widener (5,5,9,NR,7,8,6)
Morrisville State (NR,6,4,9,NR,7,NR)
Buffalo State (6,10,6,NR,5,NR,NR)
Alfred (NR,8,NR,7,NR,NR,NR)
Christopher Newport (NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR,8)
Brockport State (9,NR,NR,NR,NR,9,NR)
St. Lawrence (NR,NR,8,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Wilkes (NR,NR,NR,8,NR,NR,NR)
Montclair State (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,9)
Delaware Valley (NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR)
Fitchburg State (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10)
Framingham State (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
Husson (NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR,NR)
WPI (10,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR)


Key Matchups:
#2 Hobart at #4 Ithaca
#9 Buffalo State at #10 Alfred

[jknezek]

Someone threw Wilkes an 8 vote? They got shellacked week 1 by a Muhlenberg team that already picked up a loss. Don't get me wrong, the Muhles were good last year, but an 8 in the east region is pretty high for a team they waxed. Del Val is a good win, but is that Del Val this year or the last couple years?

[Bombers798891]

How about Ithaca ahead of Cortland?

I mean, I know Ithaca was the E8 champ last season, but they were 7-4 and lost to Cortland. As for this year's results, since when does a non-LL team beating Union mean anything? Cortland's got a pair of wins that are both better than Ithaca's lone win.

[AUPepBand]

How about Ithaca ahead of Cortland?

I mean, I know Ithaca was the E8 champ last season, but they were 7-4 and lost to Cortland. As for this year's results, since when does a non-LL team beating Union mean anything? Cortland's got a pair of wins that are both better than Ithaca's lone win.

After Western Connecticut beat Union in similar fashion, you have an excellent point. After all, Western Connecticut lost to Hartwick, 34-23. Bombers can prove they belong there if they take care of business at Butterfield Saturday, but then, if Cortland State handles Fisher, there will still be a case for the Red Dragons. Pep is tickled that Cortaca will likely this year play a huge role in determining an Empire 8 champ!

Gotta love the Empire 8!

[lewdogg11]

Let's all just relax about the Cortlands and Ithacas of the world. The real story here is Husson and WPI getting votes. Let's not let the records after 2 weeks make us turn stoopid now. Clean up your act Husson and WPI voters.

[ExTartanPlayer]

Let's all just relax about the Cortlands and Ithacas of the world. The real story here is Husson and WPI getting votes. Let's not let the records after 2 weeks make us turn stoopid now. Clean up your act Husson and WPI voters.

LOL.  Indeed.  Delaware Valley has the same number of votes as Husson and WPI.  Come on, folks.  You can't seriously think Husson/WPI are better than Delaware Valley (the way the votes are stacked, two separate voters must have DelVal unranked and one of those stooges in the 10 spot).

jknezek, I assume that Wilkes got the vote because they beat Delaware Valley this week, despite their week 1 loss to Muhlenberg, who just lost to F & M...we've discussed the tendency to over-react to "recent" results before instead of full body-of-work stuff, and someone who had Del Val really high last week probably just tossed Wilkes up into the poll because they want to keep Del Val ranked in the lower half.

I don't know exactly what to make of those daisy-chain type results early in the season.  What I am certain of is that those teams are all better than WPI (4-6 last year, nothing that I see likely indicating some big breakout...I mean, what's the rationale here?  Because they beat playoff entrant MIT by a field goal in Week 1?  Didn't MIT just lose again to Becker?) and probably Husson (I guess if you're really high on Alfred, maybe you're chucking a #10 vote at Husson because they were competitive vs. Alfred?)

[NED3Guy]

Husson is a solid football team. They were very much in the game against Alfred (who many pollsters have climbing the poll). I wish they weren't in Bangor Maine so they could put together a better non-league schedule, and we'd have a better body of evidence to work off of. As it looks right now, they have TWO open weeks in a row before entering into league play. Nothing they do in league will help them gain or keep poll votes. So I'd be hard pressed to see them remaining in the poll in the weeks to come.

That being said they'll likely end the season as an 8-1 team with an AQ, and because of the 500 mile rule they'll either host or get a favorable New England match up in the first round...and we'll still have nothing to go off of besides a solid performance against a good (maybe real good?) Alfred team.

[lewdogg11]

Husson is a solid football team. They were very much in the game against Alfred (who many pollsters have climbing the poll). I wish they weren't in Bangor Maine so they could put together a better non-league schedule, and we'd have a better body of evidence to work off of. As it looks right now, they have TWO open weeks in a row before entering into league play. Nothing they do in league will help them gain or keep poll votes. So I'd be hard pressed to see them remaining in the poll in the weeks to come.

That being said they'll likely end the season as an 8-1 team with an AQ, and because of the 500 mile rule they'll either host or get a favorable New England match up in the first round...and we'll still have nothing to go off of besides a solid performance against a good (maybe real good?) Alfred team.

So just how 'solid' is Husson.  Well, they played 2 teams last year that I wouldn't consider better than mediocre and lost to both.  A 5-5 Alfred that won by 17, and an MIT team that they lost to by 7 in round 1.  I really wouldn't consider Husson or MIT as 'playoff' talent last year so that milestone loss carries zero weight.  They are solid for their awful leaguebut they shouldn't now, nor ever be considered top 10 in the East.

Here are the other teams getting votes(WPI excluded)

Christopher Newport 5
Brockport State 4
St. Lawrence 3
Wilkes 3
Montclair State 2
Delaware Valley 1
Fitchburg State 1
Framingham State 1

I'd venture to bet each of these teams(except maybe Fitchburg) beats Husson by 3+ touchdowns.  Straight up monkey stomp style.  Long story short, they shouldn't be getting votes. 

[bman]

This is humorous to me (although I don't really like the bashing of programs, since they didn't vote, the pollsers did...)
It may make me vote for a random program in the future, just to stir the pot...

If FDU wins it's next game. perhaps they should be #5?   

[lewdogg11]

This is humorous to me (although I don't really like the bashing of programs, since they didn't vote, the pollsers did...)
It may make me vote for a random program in the future, just to stir the pot...

If FDU wins it's next game. perhaps they should be #5?   

Hey Curry and Framingham got 'bashed' for years but they earned their stripes so they get some credit(not Dem Spicy Boyz in the current day, but in the hayday)...  I just don't see that happening with Husson anytime soon, especially in that god awful conference.  I wouldn't bash the conference so bad if they didn't get an AQ, but all of New England worked the AQ system, perfectly legally, and now gets 3 AQ's which is tough to stomach.

[bman]

This is humorous to me (although I don't really like the bashing of programs, since they didn't vote, the pollsers did...)
It may make me vote for a random program in the future, just to stir the pot...

If FDU wins it's next game. perhaps they should be #5?   

Hey Curry and Framingham got 'bashed' for years but they earned their stripes so they get some credit(not Dem Spicy Boyz in the current day, but in the hayday)...  I just don't see that happening with Husson anytime soon, especially in that god awful conference.  I wouldn't bash the conference so bad if they didn't get an AQ, but all of New England worked the AQ system, perfectly legally, and now gets 3 AQ's which is tough to stomach.

I hear you, and that comment wasn't really directed at you.  I saw one of the teams called "stooges" in one of the threads, and it caused me to pause.
I think most of us have an issue with the powers that worked the system to create AQs for groups of teams that don't earn it in play or strength of schedule etc...especially when some more deserving teams get left out...but I direct my ire towards the NCAA (as I do with many other issues) and the manipulative conference leadership that created the system.  The players are playing in the conferences that are dictated, and they don't have any control of that, so i'll not denigrate their teams for that...

[bman]

This is humorous to me (although I don't really like the bashing of programs, since they didn't vote, the pollsers did...)
It may make me vote for a random program in the future, just to stir the pot...

If FDU wins it's next game. perhaps they should be #5?   

Hey Curry and Framingham got 'bashed' for years but they earned their stripes so they get some credit(not Dem Spicy Boyz in the current day, but in the hayday)...  I just don't see that happening with Husson anytime soon, especially in that god awful conference.  I wouldn't bash the conference so bad if they didn't get an AQ, but all of New England worked the AQ system, perfectly legally, and now gets 3 AQ's which is tough to stomach.

I hear you, and that comment wasn't really directed at you.  I saw one of the teams called "stooges" in one of the threads, and it caused me to pause.
I think most of us have an issue with the powers that worked the system to create AQs for groups of teams that don't earn it in play or strength of schedule etc...especially when some more deserving teams get left out...but I direct my ire towards the NCAA (as I do with many other issues) and the manipulative conference leadership that created the system.  The players are playing in the conferences that are dictated, and they don't have any control of that, so i'll not denigrate their teams for that...

PS I was not the one that voted for Husson or WPI...

[lewdogg11]

This is humorous to me (although I don't really like the bashing of programs, since they didn't vote, the pollsers did...)
It may make me vote for a random program in the future, just to stir the pot...

If FDU wins it's next game. perhaps they should be #5?   

Hey Curry and Framingham got 'bashed' for years but they earned their stripes so they get some credit(not Dem Spicy Boyz in the current day, but in the hayday)...  I just don't see that happening with Husson anytime soon, especially in that god awful conference.  I wouldn't bash the conference so bad if they didn't get an AQ, but all of New England worked the AQ system, perfectly legally, and now gets 3 AQ's which is tough to stomach.

I hear you, and that comment wasn't really directed at you.  I saw one of the teams called "stooges" in one of the threads, and it caused me to pause.
I think most of us have an issue with the powers that worked the system to create AQs for groups of teams that don't earn it in play or strength of schedule etc...especially when some more deserving teams get left out...but I direct my ire towards the NCAA (as I do with many other issues) and the manipulative conference leadership that created the system.  The players are playing in the conferences that are dictated, and they don't have any control of that, so i'll not denigrate their teams for that...

PS I was not the one that voted for Husson or WPI...

Ha ha.  Well done.