East Region Fan Poll

[wesleydad]

IMO St. Lawrence should be given stronger recognition in this poll. If St.Lawrence handles Hobart(a big IF since Hobart offense finally read the playbook and Sweeney is now healthy), I think they are #2 in the East , especially after their one loss to a Morrisville team that took care of Cortland this weekend. I know the counter will be the LL league lost the tough OOC games early in the season, but I have watched the improvement in the league( SLU, RPI, Rochester as examples) during conference play and the LL is stronger than many here may believe. Alfred also deserves strong recognition as they look like the most balanced team in the E8 , especially as defense becomes the differentiator into the deep fall. I am not convinced the best of the MAC , runner up to Wesley in the NJAC or Western New England has anything over SLU or Alfred at this point in the season.  I have no Ballot, but interested in final outcome here and Regional rankings.

no issue here, I have St Lawrence 3, behind wesley and del val.  I have alfred 7 behind cortland due to h2h result.  after wesley you can argue for almost anyone at this point.  I have del val at 2 purely on other teams losing.  too many this team beat that team who beat the other team who beat another team who beat someone else.  crazy.

Wesleydad, always enjoy your perspective.  How do feel about Wesley this year? Offensive looks typically awesome, however the defense does not look as intimidating as the team I saw Hobart struggle against in last year's playoffs.

Bartman, all in all this is a pretty good team.  I am already on record stating that they are not good enough on defense to win the Stagg.  I will stand by that.  There has been some improvement, but the last 2 weeks they have started giving up too many rushing yards, now Marcellin for Rowan is a beast, but Montclair was able to run the ball outside, which can not happen if you want to win.  If they have the athletes as some keep saying, then they need to start challenging the receivers which is not the way Drass likes to play his defense.  He prefers to keep people in front of you.  Problem is that they get 8-12 yards when that happens.  The linebackers do not cover the pass very well.  With that being said, the offense is really nice.  They can run the ball between the tackles and outside.  The receivers are just as good if not better than last year and with Okike's height they give every team issues in the secondary.  They have started to use the tight end, a big boy at like 6'5" and 250 and can run a little.  Callahan is having an exceptional year and since he was a candidate for the Gagliardi last year I figure he could be again this year.  The special teams are hit and miss.  real good most of the game and then BAM big return or stupid penalty.  They are the best in the east, and have a punchers chance against anyone.  I just think the defense is too weak to win it all.

[AUKaz00]

Week 9 Fan Poll

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Wesley ( 6 )	8-0	60	1	VS. #9 Salisbury
2   Delaware Valley	7-1	52	3t	at Lycoming
3   Albright	7-1	41	5	at #6 Stevenson
4   St. Lawrence	7-1	39	7	at Hobart
5   Rowan	6-2	29	6	at Kean
6   Stevenson	7-1	28	9	vs. #3 Albright
7   Western New England	8-0	19	8	at Coast Guard
8   Alfred	6-2	16	10t	vs. Utica
9   Salisbury	5-2	14	2	at #1 Wesley
10  Cortland State	7-2	11	3t	Open Date

Dropping Out:
Buffalo State


Also Receiving votes:               
Morrisville State 8
Framingham State 6
Frostburg State 3
Widener 3
Husson 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Wesley (1,1,1,1,1,1)
Delaware Valley (2,2,2,2,4,2)
Albright (3,4,6,3,5,4)
St. Lawrence (7,6,3,6,2,3)
Rowan (5,3,4,NR,6,8)
Stevenson (4,5,5,4,NR,9)
Western New England (6,10,7,5,8,NR)
Alfred (8,NR,9,8,7,7)
Salisbury (9,7,NR,NR,9,5)
Cortland State (10,NR,8,9,NR,6)
Morrisville State (NR,NR,NR,NR,3,NR)
Framingham State (NR,NR,10,7,NR,10)
Frostburg State (NR,9,NR,NR,10,NR)
Widener (NR,8,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Husson (NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR)


Key Matchups:
#9 Salisbury at #1 Wesley
#6 Stevenson at #3 Albright

[jmcozenlaw]

Week 9 Fan Poll

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Wesley ( 6 )	8-0	60	1	VS. #9 Salisbury
2   Delaware Valley	7-1	52	3t	at Lycoming
3   Albright	7-1	41	5	at #6 Stevenson
4   St. Lawrence	7-1	39	7	at Hobart
5   Rowan	6-2	29	6	at Kean
6   Stevenson	7-1	28	9	vs. #3 Albright
7   Western New England	8-0	19	8	at Coast Guard
8   Alfred	6-2	16	10t	vs. Utica
9   Salisbury	5-2	14	2	at #1 Wesley
10  Cortland State	7-2	11	3t	Open Date

Dropping Out:
Buffalo State


Also Receiving votes:               
Morrisville State 8
Framingham State 6
Frostburg State 3
Widener 3
Husson 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Wesley (1,1,1,1,1,1)
Delaware Valley (2,2,2,2,4,2)
Albright (3,4,6,3,5,4)
St. Lawrence (7,6,3,6,2,3)
Rowan (5,3,4,NR,6,8)
Stevenson (4,5,5,4,NR,9)
Western New England (6,10,7,5,8,NR)
Alfred (8,NR,9,8,7,7)
Salisbury (9,7,NR,NR,9,5)
Cortland State (10,NR,8,9,NR,6)
Morrisville State (NR,NR,NR,NR,3,NR)
Framingham State (NR,NR,10,7,NR,10)
Frostburg State (NR,9,NR,NR,10,NR)
Widener (NR,8,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Husson (NR,NR,NR,10,NR,NR)


Key Matchups:
#9 Salisbury at #1 Wesley
#6 Stevenson at #3 Albright

Morrisville State - 5 NR's and a #3. Now that is a head scratcher!! 

[D3MAFAN]

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings

Regional Rankings

[NED3Guy]

Albright Stevenson game Saturday basically playing for an at large bid?

Is Husson (Or whoever wins the ECFC the only, likely AQ from the east not currently ranked in region?

[bman]

Albright Stevenson game Saturday basically playing for an at large bid?

Is Husson (Or whoever wins the ECFC the only, likely AQ from the east not currently ranked in region?

The quick answer is yes and yes.

The longer answer is that Albright (based on their H2H win against Salisbury) has a better possibility of getting a Pool C bid than Stevenson.  I'm not sure Stevenson is in the mix at this point even if they do win...unless some major upsets occur in the next 2 weeks...

Please see the Pool C discussion of the General Football boards.  Wally Wabash provides an excellent analysis of the OOC SOS and SOOS math that figures into the selection process.  While not carved in stone, it gives a great idea of where the at large bids will come from...

[NED3Guy]

Thanks for pointing me in the direction of Wally Wabash posts. Very good stuff. Certainly helps understand the process a bit more.

[ExTartanPlayer]

The longer answer is that Albright (based on their H2H win against Salisbury) has a better possibility of getting a Pool C bid than Stevenson.  I'm not sure Stevenson is in the mix at this point even if they do win...unless some major upsets occur in the next 2 weeks...

Albright would have been more secure as a Pool C candidate if Salisbury hadn't screwed the pooch and lost to CNU this week.  8-2 Salisbury with 1-point loss to Albright and a loss to Wesley would have been RR'd, giving Albright an all-important RR win.  But now it's likely that the Gulls will not make the final RR's, leaving Albright (if they beat Stevenson) in the precarious territory of 9-1, 0-1 against RR's, middling SOS which is a profile that is not a lock.  I do think the Albright/Stevenson winner has a good shot.

[bman]

The longer answer is that Albright (based on their H2H win against Salisbury) has a better possibility of getting a Pool C bid than Stevenson.  I'm not sure Stevenson is in the mix at this point even if they do win...unless some major upsets occur in the next 2 weeks...

Albright would have been more secure as a Pool C candidate if Salisbury hadn't screwed the pooch and lost to CNU this week.  8-2 Salisbury with 1-point loss to Albright and a loss to Wesley would have been RR'd, giving Albright an all-important RR win.  But now it's likely that the Gulls will not make the final RR's, leaving Albright (if they beat Stevenson) in the precarious territory of 9-1, 0-1 against RR's, middling SOS which is a profile that is not a lock.  I do think the Albright/Stevenson winner has a good shot.

Unless they pull off the miracle against Wesley....then I would think they would be RR

[wesleydad]

Based on the RR, Wesley better not lose this weekend.  They would be in trouble for a C.  No RR results unless Rowan sneaks in.  I am surprised that Rowan is not ranked.  Seems the committee likes the E8 everyone beats everyone scenario more than the few good teams NJAC.  The MAC even fared better.

[thewaterboy]

Based on the RR, Wesley better not lose this weekend.  They would be in trouble for a C.  No RR results unless Rowan sneaks in.  I am surprised that Rowan is not ranked.  Seems the committee likes the E8 everyone beats everyone scenario more than the few good teams NJAC.  The MAC even fared better.

wesleydad, do you think there's any chance NCC can sneak in to the North to help Wesley's chances?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Based on the RR, Wesley better not lose this weekend.  They would be in trouble for a C.  No RR results unless Rowan sneaks in.  I am surprised that Rowan is not ranked.  Seems the committee likes the E8 everyone beats everyone scenario more than the few good teams NJAC.  The MAC even fared better.

wesleydad, do you think there's any chance NCC can sneak in to the North to help Wesley's chances?

If NCC wins their last two (they should), they will probably get up to 9 or 10 in the rankings.  (The North region committee would presumably be loath to put them above any viable at large candidates, as they would block access to the table.)

[thewaterboy]

Based on the RR, Wesley better not lose this weekend.  They would be in trouble for a C.  No RR results unless Rowan sneaks in.  I am surprised that Rowan is not ranked.  Seems the committee likes the E8 everyone beats everyone scenario more than the few good teams NJAC.  The MAC even fared better.

wesleydad, do you think there's any chance NCC can sneak in to the North to help Wesley's chances?

If NCC wins their last two (they should), they will probably get up to 9 or 10 in the rankings.  (The North region committee would presumably be loath to put them above any viable at large candidates, as they would block access to the table.)

Ya think the result of the IWU-Wheaton game will have any bearing on NCC's ranking as well?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Based on the RR, Wesley better not lose this weekend.  They would be in trouble for a C.  No RR results unless Rowan sneaks in.  I am surprised that Rowan is not ranked.  Seems the committee likes the E8 everyone beats everyone scenario more than the few good teams NJAC.  The MAC even fared better.

wesleydad, do you think there's any chance NCC can sneak in to the North to help Wesley's chances?

If NCC wins their last two (they should), they will probably get up to 9 or 10 in the rankings.  (The North region committee would presumably be loath to put them above any viable at large candidates, as they would block access to the table.)

Ya think the result of the IWU-Wheaton game will have any bearing on NCC's ranking as well?

That's a tough question, as it entails reading the minds of the committee!  MY take would be if Wheaton beats IWU even worse than NCC did, it would downgrade NCC's 'best' win (especially if it knocked IWU completely out of the rankings, but I doubt that would happen).  If IWU plays Wheaton closer than it did NCC, I have to think that would help NCC.  And if IWU somehow pulled the upset, NCC would no longer care much, since they would win the AQ, and with three losses they would be a pretty low seed regardless (and suddenly it would be Wheaton in serious danger of missing the playoffs).  (This assumes IWU does not win by 29+, in which case THEY are the AQ!)

I realize I'm on an East board, but note that UW-Platteville and Wheaton also have a vested interest in NCC getting into the rankings.  They also have wins over the Cardinals, and another RR win would help tremendously (Wheaton might even be in the discussion for a #1 seed).

[wally_wabash]

I don't think Wheaton can be a #1 seed without serious calamity.  I know it was mentioned briefly on the pod a couple of weeks ago, but it isn't happening (without a great deal of help). 

If you're looking at the North region's rankings and wondering how North Central can get in, this is what you're after:
- You want John Carroll to lose by 100 to Mount Union (possible)
- You want DePauw to get squashed by Wabash (probable)
- I think you need IWU to lose as that now gives a committee to look closer at that h2h now that the win percentage difference between IWU and NCC isn't as massive
- It wouldn't hurt if Olivet lost another game also

But the main things here are John Carroll and DePauw.  That's going to open up two spots in the North rankings.  Teams hovering around to fill those spots: Ohio Northern, Wittenberg, Benedictine/Lakeland, and North Central.  Does North Central profile better than two of those teams?  I think they do, but it's not a slam dunk.