East Region Fan Poll

[ExTartanPlayer]

I don't think Wheaton can be a #1 seed without serious calamity.  I know it was mentioned briefly on the pod a couple of weeks ago, but it isn't happening (without a great deal of help). 

If you're looking at the North region's rankings and wondering how North Central can get in, this is what you're after:
- You want John Carroll to lose by 100 to Mount Union (possible)
- You want DePauw to get squashed by Wabash (probable)
- I think you need IWU to lose as that now gives a committee to look closer at that h2h now that the win percentage difference between IWU and NCC isn't as massive
- It wouldn't hurt if Olivet lost another game also

But the main things here are John Carroll and DePauw.  That's going to open up two spots in the North rankings.  Teams hovering around to fill those spots: Ohio Northern, Wittenberg, Benedictine/Lakeland, and North Central.  Does North Central profile better than two of those teams?  I think they do, but it's not a slam dunk.

No chance for these guys.  Those teams are 6-2 with bad losses (either by margin, quality of opponent, or both).  Witt and ONU might go into the rankings ahead of NCC (if JCU is dropped, I think it's likely that ONU will take their spot) if the committee wants to stick with 8-2 > 7-3, but I can't imagine they'd put in the Benedictine/Lakeland winner ahead of NCC.

[thewaterboy]

IMHO, NCC is better than all those teams.

[Bombers798891]

Morrisville State - 5 NR's and a #3. Now that is a head scratcher!! 

It's always fun to see how people sort through the E8 madness, but I don't get this. Alfred's got a better record, better conference record, and a H2H win.

[Saxon73]

Morrisville State - 5 NR's and a #3. Now that is a head scratcher!! 

It's always fun to see how people sort through the E8 madness, but I don't get this. Alfred's got a better record, better conference record, and a H2H win.

Additionally, The same voter has St Lawrence at #2 and Morrisville beat St Lawrence Head to Head

[Bombers798891]

Morrisville State - 5 NR's and a #3. Now that is a head scratcher!! 

It's always fun to see how people sort through the E8 madness, but I don't get this. Alfred's got a better record, better conference record, and a H2H win.

Additionally, The same voter has St Lawrence at #2 and Morrisville beat St Lawrence Head to Head

Well, H2H isn't everything. 7-1 generally trumps 5-3 in my book. But in the Alfred case, they don't even have that

[Saxon73]

Morrisville State - 5 NR's and a #3. Now that is a head scratcher!! 

It's always fun to see how people sort through the E8 madness, but I don't get this. Alfred's got a better record, better conference record, and a H2H win.

Additionally, The same voter has St Lawrence at #2 and Morrisville beat St Lawrence Head to Head

Well, H2H isn't everything. 7-1 generally trumps 5-3 in my book. But in the Alfred case, they don't even have that

You are absolutely right Bombers.  I only recalled the H2H right off.  As I look closer though, one might wonder about the LL.  They seem to have a bunch of weak out of conf wins and a bunch (8) of out of conf losses with few tough opponents.

EDIT - Plus, if that voter takes Morrisville all the way to #3, why not put them ahead of St Lawrence with the H2H ? 

[pg04]

So let's see...

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	This Week
1   Wesley ( 6 )	8-1	60	1	LOST VS. #9 Salisbury
2   Delaware Valley	7-2	52	3t	LOST at Lycoming
3   Albright	8-1	41	5	WON at #6 Stevenson
4   St. Lawrence	7-2	39	7	LOST at Hobart
5   Rowan	6-3	29	6	LOST at Kean
6   Stevenson	7-2	28	9	LOST vs. #3 Albright
7   Western New England	9-0	19	8	WON at Coast Guard
8   Alfred	7-2	16	10t	WON vs. Utica (barely)
9   Salisbury	6-2	14	2	WON at #1 Wesley
10  Cortland State	7-2	11	3t	Open Date

So: 1,2,4,5, and 6 all lost, with 3 only winning because they played 6 

[dlippiel]

Absolutely crazy...

[Div3Fan]

Some good, ol' fashion chaos.

[Bartman]

Please don't tell me Albright is No.1? Saw the SLU team at Hobart today , they are legit and Hobart has found momentum too late in the season, but a greatD3 game without the many turnovers of last year( although Sweeney's late pick was almost a death sentence. Good luck to the pollsters this week.

[pg04]

Please don't tell me Albright is No.1? Saw the SLU team at Hobart today , they are legit and Hobart has found momentum too late in the season, but a greatD3 game without the many turnovers of last year( although Sweeney's late pick was almost a death sentence. Good luck to the pollsters this week.

Presumably they could just vote to keep Wesley there, but the nonuseful transitive property involving Albright - Salisbury - Wesley is always in mind.

[wesleydad]

i am going to ignore all h2h stuff since there are so many games that contradict other games and go with records.  I still think Wesley is the best team even after the mess I saw today.  Since everyone has at least 1 loss it almost goes back to the beginning of the year.  They were the best team then and I think still the best team now.  I will talk about the game today on the NJAC board.  The only other team in the discussion to me at this point for #1 is Salisbury.  All this means is that Mount will be on top of a bracket that has a lot of east teams in it since there is so many good teams in the west.  Looks like someone will have to go to Mount in the quarters.

[pg04]

I wonder who they will send to Mount Union in Round 1. It can't be Norwich or Framingham (mileage). It won't be Albright, Salisbury, Western New England, or Wesley. If Fisher won the E8 with 3 overall losses. Would they send them to Alliance? It could be St. Lawrence, too, who fall 490 miles away from Alliance according to the calculator. Or will it likely be the winner of  one of the lower tier South conferences again?

[pg04]

Also, It is too bad that cost is such a factor, because I'm not sure I'd even have Mount as a #1 seed (as blasphemous as that is).

Linfield, UWO, St. Thomas, Hardin Simmons all seem like they could be #1s over Mount. But it would be impossible to put each of them at the top of a bracket. Or so it seems.I'm not sure they'd try that hard to figure out a way. Even Wheaton could be seeded ahead of Mount in my mind.

[pg04]

Forget that, Hardin Simmons just lost, because of course they did.