East Region Fan Poll

Started by pg04, July 05, 2007, 09:44:54 PM

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pg04

I would not have even ranked Del Val this week. Their two losses are AWFUL.

bman

Quote from: pg04 on November 10, 2015, 04:41:40 PM
I would not have even ranked Del Val this week. Their two losses are AWFUL.

They are an extremely young team...one who's inexperience has shown up at times this season.  Don't forget a couple of solid wins as well.

I would have no issue with them at 9 or 10, but 4 is way too high...

pg04

Yeah the wins vs Albright and Stevenson really confuse things. But bad losses always seem to weigh more on me than solid wins.

ExTartanPlayer

Quote from: jknezek on November 10, 2015, 04:09:54 PM
I love the "1" vote for WNEC...

I chuckled at this as well.  I don't think they're actually the best team in the region but I can at least understand the logic...if someone doesn't want to keep Wesley at #1 in the same week that they lost (understandable), who else are you going to put there?  Albright is the most sensible candidate, owners of h2h win over Salisbury, but they lost at home to Del Val.  You can't make that much of an argument for Salisbury, not with two losses, one had one and the other h2h to Albright.  So WNE is an acceptable "WTF, at least they've won'em all" vote.

I'd probably have kept Wesley, or maybe put Albright at #1.

Re: the #4 vopes for Del Val...just like pg04 said, it's weird.  They have two bad, bad losses...and then wins over the teams currently ranked #2 and #4 in the poll.  What can ya do.
I was small but made up for it by being slow...

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20120629a4jaxa

gordonmann

QuoteI would not have even ranked Del Val this week. Their two losses are AWFUL.

What Bman said. Don't say I didn't warn you last week. :)

pg04

It's so interesting because I think I'd feel much differently about DV if the losses and Albright/Stevenson wins were interchanged

D3MAFAN

Quote from: jknezek on November 10, 2015, 04:09:54 PM
I love the "1" vote for WNEC...

Yes, me too. It was a grand prize.

Boxer7806

One voter has Framingham at 4, and Cortland, who beat them head to head at 9. To be honest, I'm glad to see most of the voters keep Wesley at 1. I think this is about as accurate reflection on the East region as you can have. Whether that is a good or bad thing, well your going to have to form your own opinion on that.

bman

Quote from: Boxer7806 on November 10, 2015, 08:27:51 PM
One voter has Framingham at 4, and Cortland, who beat them head to head at 9. To be honest, I'm glad to see most of the voters keep Wesley at 1. I think this is about as accurate reflection on the East region as you can have. Whether that is a good or bad thing, well your going to have to form your own opinion on that.

While that wasn't me, I can say that the ranking is probably based on body of work, rather than head to head.
Since everyone has pretty much beaten each other or a common opponent, I am more relying on who is playing better right now, and their overall season. 
For example, I ignored the H2H Wesley loss to Salisbury, and ranked them higher.  I just feel that Wesley is stronger and has a better body of work this season...

D3MAFAN

No, it's all about the eye test, the eye test. Forget the metrics...

ExTartanPlayer

Quote from: bman on November 10, 2015, 09:14:12 PM
Quote from: Boxer7806 on November 10, 2015, 08:27:51 PM
One voter has Framingham at 4, and Cortland, who beat them head to head at 9. To be honest, I'm glad to see most of the voters keep Wesley at 1. I think this is about as accurate reflection on the East region as you can have. Whether that is a good or bad thing, well your going to have to form your own opinion on that.

While that wasn't me, I can say that the ranking is probably based on body of work, rather than head to head.
Since everyone has pretty much beaten each other or a common opponent, I am more relying on who is playing better right now, and their overall season. 
For example, I ignored the H2H Wesley loss to Salisbury, and ranked them higher.  I just feel that Wesley is stronger and has a better body of work this season...

Bingo.  I'm always chirping about h2h when you have 2 teams with comparable resumes, but by now in the East it's just impossible to stick with it strictly.  Literally everyone but WNE has a loss to someone else or an unfavorable common opponent that can be used to rank X behind Y.  There's just been that much carnage in the East. 
I was small but made up for it by being slow...

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20120629a4jaxa

D3MAFAN

#5621
In all honesty, I think Albright should have been #1, they beat the same team that Wesley loss too, however I think with NCC getting into the North Region Rankings was most likely the deciding factor in placing Wesley above Albright.

Bombers798891

Quote from: Boxer7806 on November 10, 2015, 08:27:51 PM
One voter has Framingham at 4, and Cortland, who beat them head to head at 9. To be honest, I'm glad to see most of the voters keep Wesley at 1. I think this is about as accurate reflection on the East region as you can have. Whether that is a good or bad thing, well your going to have to form your own opinion on that.

Well, Cortland's got that whole 2nd loss thing. Which is damaging in and of itself, but also places the rest of their season into some context.

Cortland's got:

A Hail Mary victory over a 5-4 Heidelberg team
Overtime wins over 4-5 Utica and 3-6 Hartwick

It's not that those weren't issues when Cortland was 5-0. It's that when they're 5-0 we naturally think of those things as being the exception to the rule (the rule being "Cortland is really good"). But when you've got two losses, it sort of starts to take on a different tone. Now, it suddenly looks like Cortland is just an okay team that's won a majority of their coin-flip games. (Kind of like Ithaca the last two years)

@d3jason

Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on November 11, 2015, 02:04:19 PM
In all honesty, I think Albright should have been #1, they beat the same team that Wesley loss too, however I think with NCC getting into the North Region Rankings was most likely the deciding factor in placing Wesley above Albright.

I believe that their are four subcommittees, one for each region. So my question, that I'm sure anyone can answer here is, how would the East panel know that NCC was regionally-ranked?

wally_wabash

Quote from: @d3jason on November 12, 2015, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on November 11, 2015, 02:04:19 PM
In all honesty, I think Albright should have been #1, they beat the same team that Wesley loss too, however I think with NCC getting into the North Region Rankings was most likely the deciding factor in placing Wesley above Albright.

I believe that their are four subcommittees, one for each region. So my question, that I'm sure anyone can answer here is, how would the East panel know that NCC was regionally-ranked?

This is actually a mystery.  I tend to think that if North Central being ranked or not was a deciding factor for placing Wesley ahead of Albright, a simple text/call to a representative of the North committee would do the trick.  I did notice that this week's data sheets did not include RRO results, so maybe they're flying blind.  In the end here with this particular case, I don't think it's terribly important if the order is Albright/Wesley or Wesley/Albright.  Either way, Albright is already in the field (presumably) and Wesley is at the front of the at-large line in this region. 
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